EPTBut yeah its bad for that map.
New map isn't that bad. If you can convince your team not to beeline for the objective. If you do and the opponent does too, its like a win the teamfight win the game. But that happened every map so far.
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
But yeah its bad for that map. New map isn't that bad. If you can convince your team not to beeline for the objective. If you do and the opponent does too, its like a win the teamfight win the game. But that happened every map so far. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On September 02 2015 05:45 FeyFey wrote: hmm your comp actually sounds good, if you can avoid standing in creep waves. I mean Solo tank against Fal and Raynor with Malf as a healer? Thats not ending well even if its Johanna. And you got the poke with Nazebo. But yeah its bad for that map. New map isn't that bad. If you can convince your team not to beeline for the objective. If you do and the opponent does too, its like a win the teamfight win the game. But that happened every map so far. Ya, that was the problem, we killed Johanna several times and even managed to pick off a few dps (and Gaz was easy to punish when he tried to over-push) and this was true even with a constant level disadvantage. But fighting near the shrine meant they were picking up lots of spider kills without trying. And on that map you can't not fight near the shrines since it was too big for us to get there in time to zone them out. If this were say BoE, we would have dominated them. Like I said, half our team just drafted poorly for the map. I don't think they were bad players by any means. | ||
Valiver
Caldeum1977 Posts
On September 02 2015 05:59 Ghostcom wrote: I thought monk would get dropped to 10k this week? Is it first next week? It's this week (today), but Blizzard is usually slow about it and drops the price well into the day. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
EDIT: It happened today. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
So less than a week to finish grinding Treasure Goblins... I think I'm at 15 lol. Time to spam those vs AI Games =\ http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/18706415574 The two mounts are sticking around for at least another month though (Malthiel's Charger and Treasure Goblin) | ||
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MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
It was not a pretty game for the other team. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On September 03 2015 12:40 MotherFox wrote: Finally hit infernal shrines on HL tonight. Other team first picked rehgar. So we responded by making Johanna and Leoric our first picks. It was not a pretty game for the other team. It's interesting building comps for that map specifically. I've been trying to think of an ultimate comp for it. Leoric-Sylvanas-Kerrigan-Tassadar seems to be a really good 4 - with Leoric the first shrine is pretty much guaranteed yours due to his respawns, Sylv's black arrows (especially past level 7) help clear them super quick (not to mention the bug), Kerrigan's Q with clean kill allows her to 1 hit them (so she can just jump around to each one), and Tass can shield in the fights and drop storms. The 5th can be interchangeable, Sonya, Abathur, Kharazim, Jaina, Kael'Thas, Anub'arak, Tyrael, Arthas, Azmodan all would work well. I'm leaning towards taking a second tank for it. Since the games can be over so quickly, it's possible to play with only Tassadar for support. The other team will be forced into trying to take the game into the lategame, but since it snowballs so hard you can have a keep and a significant level advantage after the second shrine and usually push to win. | ||
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MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
In general, the more I think of it the more I think this map is amazing for drafting--- but the same aspects that make it great for drafting make it awful for quickmatch. There are loads of characters that are just plain bad on this map, and it feels like that is more true for this map than other maps. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On September 04 2015 00:49 MotherFox wrote: I think I'd be hesitant to field tass as a solo support on this map unless I was really sure we were going to take the game by level 14 or 15. Though, I can certainly see some interesting opportunities for force wall... In general, the more I think of it the more I think this map is amazing for drafting--- but the same aspects that make it great for drafting make it awful for quickmatch. There are loads of characters that are just plain bad on this map, and it feels like that is more true for this map than other maps. Yes, which is what I was saying. With that kind of comp, you can win the game (or as good as have the game won) by the second shrine. Or you can play monk too for the added heal and the heroic to save Kerrigan in the fights. | ||
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MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
How do you guys feel about warriors? Like, I don't mind the double warrior meta, but specially with Leoric and Johanna, I think warriors are back into the "does too much stuff" design we had in Alpha. I don't think they should be able to clear minion waves faster than specialists, for example. It looks like Rexxard isn't that kind of warrior though, it will be interesting to see how he plays with Misha. Also, does anyone else think the Rexxar model is very ugly? Compare his first heroes model, which funnily enough was first shown in the annoucement gameplay video in 2013, with his new model. | ||
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MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On September 05 2015 01:44 MotherFox wrote: Last night I tried playing a night of games with allied chat disabled. Wow, what an improvement on my stress levels during games. I had no idea I was getting so wound up due to taking time to rage at people and responding to people irrationally raging. Yeah, the problem is you can miss out on some important stuff. I have thicker skin than most so I can just ignore people who are raging/flaming. But I don't want to jeopardise a game because I miss someone typing something strategic rather than pinging it. | ||
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MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
On September 05 2015 03:12 Larkin wrote: Yeah, the problem is you can miss out on some important stuff. I have thicker skin than most so I can just ignore people who are raging/flaming. But I don't want to jeopardise a game because I miss someone typing something strategic rather than pinging it. Fortunately I'm frequently in voicechat with friends who can see the chat, so they have been tasked with telling me anything people talk about strategically. So far, nothing has been passed on other than little tidbits like "wow, nova's raging" | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
Now Leoric also has unstoppable (and un-bodyblockable) on a stick and built in wave clear, so he definitely seems to do too much when you consider how much damage he can output against heroes. He's also surprisingly durable, so it's not like he's Tyrael / Anub who can do damage but also get blown up easily. They also both have aoe snares on a short-ish cooldown so if AA heroes becomes a thing to counter warriors, well they're still going to be the prefered warriors as they can easily proc Executioner. So it seems less that there needs to be warrior counters and more that those two are just too good relative to other warriors. I think Muradin is well balanced right now, he has ok waveclear, but it doesn't one-shot creep waves until really late in the game. He doesn't do a ton of damage natively, but can spec into it, and he has a really disruptive kit that lets him do his thing even when they try to ignore him (like Johanna, Leoric just does a ton of damage if you try to ignore him). Then there's Dwarf Toss, which while unstoppable, it's less of a get out of jail card than Iron Skin / Wraith Walk as he can't use it when rooted like them. Is there a 4th warrior tank worth talking about? I guess Arthas in the right situation, but he lacks the damage and escapability of these three (he has good wave clear, but boy does that eat into his mana). Now, I'll caveat this by saying I haven't played a ton of Johanna / Leoric, and I'm sure they have weaknesses, but compared to all the other warriors? They just don't seem to have enough, which is surprising because Johanna seemed well balanced on release - she doesn't have any big damage moves and she actually has less hp than *Stitches*. She's just a little too well rounded and that can cover these apparent weaknesses. It seems that Iron Skin is a big culprit here (unstoppable keeps her alive and lets her get to where condemn will do the most damage in a fight). Then again, every single one of her moves is a form of CC (even both ults) and that starts to seem like bit much. You just have to compare Johanna to Chen to see how Johanna is a little too well-rounded (iirc she does more damage than Chen too!). | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On September 05 2015 02:19 [Phantom] wrote: Also, does anyone else think the Rexxar model is very ugly? Compare his first heroes model, which funnily enough was first shown in the annoucement gameplay video in 2013, with his new model. Yeah, don't care for the way his jaw/face looks. One of my favorite characters though so will still buy  | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
But Mura ist just way better in team fights. Right now people just take the tanks as waveclear, since they have an easier time surviving. People just got to good at sniping people that clear waves. I did full Blizzard build on the new map. Funny as hell, since its kill the altar spawns and not collect something and you can guess when new waves spawn rather well. And I am just waiting for a Kael video, going in alone against 5 and making chain bomb fireworks. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
That being said I do think that Johanna and Leoric do too much stuff as Warriors and that Muradin is a bit too tanky. Rest of the Warriors are fine, but these three need some tweaks, especially Johanna in my opinion. | ||
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