Johanna is fairly balanced. She's tanky as hell and has good CC, but her damage is pretty shit in general.
Leoric is too good right now. Specifically, he's way too good in lane. His inherent wave clear should be nerfed if not his damage overall.
Muradin is balanced and in a good state. Very solid all around with lots of viable builds, but very mana hungry. He may be the model warrior right now in terms of overall design.
Tyrael needs a rework. He has one good build. Too many of his talents are garbage. His damage is pretty pathetic, too, but it's not worth commenting on it until he goes through a rework.
Arthas is in a good spot.
Anub is in a good spot.
Chen is garbage. I don't understand what Blizzard wants us to do with him.
Stitches is in a good spot. Again, Stitches is all about the hook. Players who can't land hooks shouldn't play Stitches. The rest of his capabilities should be sub-par compared to other warriors given how gamebreakingly strong his hook can be.
ETC is fine.
Diablo could use some buffs to his survivability.
Sonya is fine for what she does. She needs to be played like a melee assassin.
I'd say ETC is a little weak, and stitches is also too weak. Sure hook is nice, but it needs team stun followups, and team stuns are good on their own. Stitches also doesn't survive all that well and doesn't have much other disruption. The winrates say enough for me, he's just too low across the spectrum. That's a clear sign of a hero that's too weak imho. Also, to me, this is the assassin meta we're in; cuz mass assassins seem to be everywhere I play. usually 2+ assassins per team.
Stiches has low winrate because people that play him still go full slam and don't land hooks =p. I had one of those in HL with me recently.
That said you aren't wrong. I played a game with Stitches where I hooked a Nova out of stealth twice and both times she just walked away because I couldn't kill her without help. Yesterday, I unstealthed Nova with a Dwarf Toss and she was dead before my team could ask me where I was going. I dunno what Stiches needs, maybe he's doomed to be a niche pick. You have to plan to play around hook and since I solo queue, why wouldn't I just play Muradin where landing hammers is easier and easier to follow-up on?
Question for xDaunt - do you find Sonya playable over the other commonly picked melee assassins?
Edit - something that annoys me about ETC is that they buffed Regen Master but didn't change Prog Rock. For a while that seemed to be good burst healing option, but now it's +1/3 as effective as Regen Master with half the uptime so why bother? I suppose the fact that he can't take Regen Master makes this his 'unique' version of it, but it shouldn't have worse throughput imo (especially when it's pegged to a mana using ability).
I'm not a huge fan of Sonya because of how badly CC shuts her down relative to other melee heroes. Interrupts to Whirlwind are just brutal because her sustain goes right out the window when it happens.
In my opinion, there are Johanna and Muradin as a class apart from the other tanks; they can take huge amounts of damage and are just fine as the only warrior in the comp, Johanna especially due to her waveclear and stuns.
Tyrael and Anub'arak are the next two, which struggle in single warrior comps (apart from with Abathur) due to the fact they can be burst down quite quickly. They work well in double warrior camps due to Tyrael's heroics, team buffs, and Anub's stuns. I like them alongside Johanna or Mura. Sonya and Arthas in similar roles too, but more for direct damage or pushing power. They are both too weak to solo tank unless they have Abathur. I disagree with xDaunt about Tyrael's damage - just using the standard smite build with a tweak here and there has given me plenty of games where I have dished out good damage with him.
ETC is a great counter to melee compositions due to Moshpit. Other than that, he doesn't contribute all that much - he doesn't have much health or do much damage, though his team buffs can be nice. Death Metal is also a great troll ability.
Chen is garbage, though the barrel can disrupt the fuck out of a team. He doesn't do much damage and can't do anything while drinking, so he's basically useless.
Diablo can be great in a ganking squad, but is crap as a tank. Despite his high health, he just goes down so easy and can't really contribute. He doesn't do enough damage, clear waves, or engage with targets unless he is right on top of them.
Leoric is great. Too good. His trait gives him too much strength on Infernal Shrines as he can respawn straight into the first shrine fight and turn the tide. He works well in double warrior comps or alone. Both his heroics can be used in multiple comps.
Stitches' damage is too low, but if you can land good hooks, he can be great at picking off valuable targets with the team working with him. Again, not one for solo tanking.
nerf Leoric: either his lane presence/wave clear or overall damage.
nerf Mura: could be on Avatar (something small like the recent water elemental nerf). Its not OP but that makes haymaker viable and the hero more balanced.
nerf Johanna: Maybe on her tankiness since nerfing the rest makes her a moving wall.
buff Chen: More cc. Brew is OP if not countered, so its ok that any decent team comp can make him not immortal. Problem is that he is a moving wall.
buff ETC: More self sustain, he already lost the huge health bar so it should be fine.
buff Stiches: damage is fine imo, his talent tree is also nice. Some number tweaking could work, maybe something in between his old and new health bar.
rework Diablo: last rework didn't accomplished a lot, they should try again.
rework Tyrael: needs a better talent tree, but balance-wise he is in the perfect spot.
Sonya and Anub are fine.
Both Leoric and Johanna could be nerfed with a rework, since they lack build diversity too.
actually the problem for Stitches was that his hook could get cleansed away. So he is actually pretty good again. Just not played because its so different.
Chen is still great, if you don't face a disposition hero. Which gotten a bit harder. And Sonja just needs a talent to make her Whirlwind continue while stunned. Like sleep twirling. Making her immune to stun in WW would make it to op.
I think the new map needs the Battlefield of Eternal mechanic, where the objectives goes for the strongest lane. That way you have 3 lives, before a keep goes bye bee.
Part of sonya's problem is that she's really more of a melee assassin with sustain, like thrall, than a warrior. The line kind of blurs for those two really; as to what makes assassin vs warrior. Or perhaps, the issue is more that when people see warrior, they think tank role; whereas some warriors aren't tanks. Sonya doesn't like to be the only warrior on a team, as she doesn't survive that well if focused.
On September 07 2015 01:35 Roe wrote: After the latest patch is Brightwing still good for solo heals? I like how differently she plays from other supports
I don't think she does enough healing to be a solo healer tbh. You will lose out in heal over time
Not really, Malfurion lacks burst heal and he is one of the best healers at the moment. In truth, Brightwing Healing numbers aren't that bad, it is just that she doesn't have as much utility as before. While Uther/Rehgar/Malf are undoubtedly better, I think Brightwing still has a place on maps where you can exploit her mobility. If you are worried about her overall heal picking self-sustained heroes like Leoric, Arthas or Thrall can help a lot.
Malf double self heal got fixed as well I think ? So he is falling of a bit. Brightwing has the same issue, her selfheal isn't that good. And Brightwing can heal just fine with the right talents. But you need to be good with pixie dust regardless. And pre shields are always harder to use then heals. Uther is currently the best, because of Divine shield.
I think people don't experiment with other healers though. And stick to the high impact ults. I mean how long did it take till ETC came back against tripple melee comps.
On September 07 2015 03:54 [Phantom] wrote: Not really, Malfurion lacks burst heal and he is one of the best healers at the moment. In truth, Brightwing Healing numbers aren't that bad, it is just that she doesn't have as much utility as before. While Uther/Rehgar/Malf are undoubtedly better, I think Brightwing still has a place on maps where you can exploit her mobility. If you are worried about her overall heal picking self-sustained heroes like Leoric, Arthas or Thrall can help a lot.
Based on what people who played BW complain about, it's more that her Q is almost completely useless rather than her healing numbers being weak. I mean she never had great burst healing but was more than able to make do and brought a lot to a team. I dunno, I thought about buying her as I'm out of 4k heroes to buy and I she's pretty unique so maybe I'll give her a spin.
So I finally hit rank 1 on HL. This is after being 40 points away from rank 1 and then going on a massive losing streak taking me down to rank 8. Pulled it together and won 11 in a row
EPT
