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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2956 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-22 21:29:24
July 22 2015 21:21 GMT
#261
So... are there bots in the game? Got matched with a player called karaknee today and he's REALLY bad. Played for FAR more than 24 hours straight (according to the match history), like... 4 heroes on level 20, >2500 games played and all he did was basically running around and attacking towers all around.
Thought he's just trolling. But the amount of games played and the playtime today kinda points towards a bot, imo :-/
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-22 21:34:09
July 22 2015 21:32 GMT
#262
Report it. There were farm bots like this in Beta. Haven't seen them in a long time, but I avoid this game at late night.
In beta they had a rather similar behavior to Blizzards bots.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
July 23 2015 15:50 GMT
#263
i just came back to hots after long break since alph and noticed i have 18k gold, so whats the general opinion on KT is he op and going to be nerfed ? i ask because i dont want to spend 10k gold just before he gets gutted in next patch
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
July 23 2015 16:02 GMT
#264
Jaina and KT are both strong mages and at 10k if you want to play that type of hero.
KT is a one trick pony relying on a massive lvl 16 talent spike, whereas Jaina is a bit more versatile.
Once at lvl 16 though, those Flamestrikes + Living Bombs really start to hurt.

Whether he'll get nerfed, I doubt it, but I do hope they'll change him since he literally has one build right now.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
July 23 2015 16:14 GMT
#265
On July 24 2015 00:50 kongoline wrote:
i just came back to hots after long break since alph and noticed i have 18k gold, so whats the general opinion on KT is he op and going to be nerfed ? i ask because i dont want to spend 10k gold just before he gets gutted in next patch


I think he's OP as fuck and after level 16 almost impossible to counter play but Blizz has said they're pretty happy with his overall winrate. So who knows. Flamethrower needs to be put on level 16.
Wat
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
July 23 2015 17:12 GMT
#266
Kael is a bit meh because you need to get to level 16. But if you like farming and then suddenly rock face he is your dude. Azmodan would be the extrem form of this.

Anyway, always the same with a new Hero, even at Rank one ... people try to get a kill fighting a 1v1 getting super low. And Leoric just reducing his death timer on them already waiting to press that Q for a one hit.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
July 23 2015 17:21 GMT
#267
Remember thar Blizzard said they were ok with heroes like Illidan and Valla and that their winrates were good and then nerfed them anyway.

About Kael, I actually don't think the lvl 16 talent is the problem. Yes is a great talent with a big spike in power, but imo, the problem is his lvl 13 one that lets you cast flamestrike from a screen away. Maybe they could put both on the same talent tier so you could either do more damage, or be more safe, instead of dealing damage withouth any sort of way for the enemy team to punish you.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
July 23 2015 22:24 GMT
#268
If you put Ignite on 13 it would open the Mana Shield opportunity at 16, which would make Kael even better. He would get a bit worse at poking, but he would get stronger against diving and better in close combat. You would also move his powerspike to 13.
Or if the enemy team is behind, Spellshield won't be there.

I think Phoenix will end up on the chopping block though.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
July 24 2015 02:25 GMT
#269
Any body have any links to Korean 3 warrior comp replays? I have heard a lot of talk about them recently but can't find any videos.
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
July 24 2015 02:45 GMT
#270
On July 24 2015 11:25 karazax wrote:
Any body have any links to Korean 3 warrior comp replays? I have heard a lot of talk about them recently but can't find any videos.

I don't know if they uploaded them to youtube or not, but here are the twitch vods for the HCOT Community Open Tournament in KR. You'll have to search through it for games with 3 warrior comps, but I went through one of them really quick and it seems to be fairly common.

http://www.twitch.tv/teaminven/v/7591331
http://www.twitch.tv/teaminven/v/7749879
http://www.twitch.tv/teaminven/v/7899594
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fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 24 2015 12:22 GMT
#271
I really wish Blizz would re-class Tyrande & Tassadar. These two are not healers, support sure. But there is a world of difference between having lili on your team in QM and Tyrande or Tassadar
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 13:04:58
July 24 2015 12:58 GMT
#272
I think Brightwing is on the same category as Tyrande and Tassadar now.

System already tryes to avoid Tassadar vs real Healer. But because support vs support is enforced with no way around it, we get many games with more then 1 support on each side. Which results in 1 healer + support vs support often.

Doesn't help that playing Tassadar and Tyrande is discouraged, because there is the chance to get a full healer on the enemy side.
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 24 2015 13:01 GMT
#273
I wouldn't go quite that far FeyFey. Definitely seems to be the least favoured out of the healer classes, I don't think I've seen her picked once in the pro level games I've watched this past month
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
July 24 2015 13:17 GMT
#274
She also lacks the ability to go for a good damage build, that the other 2 supports have. The Lili of supports ! Can only support. Dunno I love playing BW and Lili.
Before her big change it was mostly the bug that made her the most picked healer, because she could ignore poking damage on herself. With just her self heal being fixed, she would not be able to stay around while Kael bombards you.

She is also rather hard to play now, since instead of heals you use shields. Which means you have to apply the healing before the damage. Which won't be counted as healing, your stats will look horrible and player will really hate having her around.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
July 24 2015 13:39 GMT
#275
On July 24 2015 22:17 FeyFey wrote:
She also lacks the ability to go for a good damage build, that the other 2 supports have. The Lili of supports ! Can only support. Dunno I love playing BW and Lili.
Before her big change it was mostly the bug that made her the most picked healer, because she could ignore poking damage on herself. With just her self heal being fixed, she would not be able to stay around while Kael bombards you.

She is also rather hard to play now, since instead of heals you use shields. Which means you have to apply the healing before the damage. Which won't be counted as healing, your stats will look horrible and player will really hate having her around.


Someone on reddit said that shields do count for healing but I never actually tested it to confirm
Wat
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 24 2015 14:06 GMT
#276
On July 24 2015 22:39 Tenks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 22:17 FeyFey wrote:
She also lacks the ability to go for a good damage build, that the other 2 supports have. The Lili of supports ! Can only support. Dunno I love playing BW and Lili.
Before her big change it was mostly the bug that made her the most picked healer, because she could ignore poking damage on herself. With just her self heal being fixed, she would not be able to stay around while Kael bombards you.

She is also rather hard to play now, since instead of heals you use shields. Which means you have to apply the healing before the damage. Which won't be counted as healing, your stats will look horrible and player will really hate having her around.


Someone on reddit said that shields do count for healing but I never actually tested it to confirm


Yes it's like with Uther at level 4, you can talent into a shield (which you usually should with Uther), which is the same as a heal - as it mitigates the damage that HP wise a heal could replace.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
July 24 2015 14:41 GMT
#277
We really need the large general discussion thread back. Because I have no idea where to post that NickHots has by far the worst possible music playing on his stream everytime I tune in and I have to just immediately close the window.
Wat
Garbels
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria653 Posts
July 24 2015 14:52 GMT
#278
You could also "heal" as chen before the implementation of the tank stat.
Also today I had a no healer vs. double healer QM. No parties on either side.
Very strange.
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 24 2015 17:10 GMT
#279
On July 24 2015 23:41 Tenks wrote:
We really need the large general discussion thread back. Because I have no idea where to post that NickHots has by far the worst possible music playing on his stream every time I tune in and I have to just immediately close the window.


I thought the same, I think he uses some sort of DJ system? So the twitch users get to pick the tunes. I agree with you though, it's an instant turn off for me. He's a poo poo potty mouth too, full on caps lock raging at other team members sometimes, don't see why he's popular.. Maybe peeps like him for that reason.

And yes to the general thread, or perhaps this one gets a rename. A separate one could be made when there's PTR stuff to debate.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
July 24 2015 17:29 GMT
#280
On July 25 2015 02:10 fruity. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 23:41 Tenks wrote:
We really need the large general discussion thread back. Because I have no idea where to post that NickHots has by far the worst possible music playing on his stream every time I tune in and I have to just immediately close the window.

And yes to the general thread, or perhaps this one gets a rename. A separate one could be made when there's PTR stuff to debate.

Yeah there will be a new thread for any PTR patch for sure.
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