On July 24 2015 22:17 FeyFey wrote: She also lacks the ability to go for a good damage build, that the other 2 supports have. The Lili of supports ! Can only support. Dunno I love playing BW and Lili. Before her big change it was mostly the bug that made her the most picked healer, because she could ignore poking damage on herself. With just her self heal being fixed, she would not be able to stay around while Kael bombards you.
She is also rather hard to play now, since instead of heals you use shields. Which means you have to apply the healing before the damage. Which won't be counted as healing, your stats will look horrible and player will really hate having her around.
Someone on reddit said that shields do count for healing but I never actually tested it to confirm
Yes it's like with Uther at level 4, you can talent into a shield (which you usually should with Uther), which is the same as a heal - as it mitigates the damage that HP wise a heal could replace.
I meant the shield dust, that gives block and reduces ability damage. Sorry
In other news, Hammer vs Vikings in a pro match x3. Okay TL is involved.
On July 24 2015 23:52 Garbels wrote: You could also "heal" as chen before the implementation of the tank stat. Also today I had a no healer vs. double healer QM. No parties on either side. Very strange.
My understanding was that shields counted as healing only if actually expended rather than timing out. If you soaked 100 dmg on shield, which then timed out with 200 shield remaining, you got a heal stat for 100.
So I saw a Leoric stand in the tower range early on to die and get a full heal .... good thing it gave us a talent ... and me a stack on Nova. Nova is really funny against him, everytime he uses an ult, he usually comes in a straight line at you. easiest kill ever.
I am going to jinx my winning streak now but whatever. Just wanted to clear my daily in coop ... around level 7 I thought, wow that Kerrigan bot is quite agressive and since when do they use envenom and hunt Abathur (me). At around level 9 I realized that this ain't Coop. Can't belief I won that ... but that was one weird game. Nova, Aba, Kerrigan, Jaina, Leoric on both sides. Luckily enemy Aba was an afk slug, which equaled my fun build out. And thank good enemy Aba didn't go for Mule, since at that time I thought its Coop and mule sucks there.
Allright, not sure if this is the right place to ask this, apologies if it's not ^^
I'm looking to pick up either Butcher or Thrall. I generally steer away from Melee heroes (some warrior play aside, but I even prefer to leave that to others), but for versatility's sake and to have some diversity fun in quick matches I'd like to pick up one of these two. Any advice on who to take/their respective strengths and weaknesses? I don't see either much in ranked play, which I don't particularly mind. I'm not necessarily looking for a top pick, but if they are viable that is a plus ofcourse =)
I'd recommend Thrall. Butcher is very weak at the moment. Also, butcher really needs to be paired with a stun hero, otherwise people just walk away after you hook them, and you can't guarantee that in QM without a partner.
I think zlefin is mistaking 'Butcher' for 'Stitches', Butcher is considered at least decent right now (certainly not super weak) and in fact on Hotslogs has a slightly higher win percent than Thrall. Regardless,they both have similar weaknesses in that they need to be attacking/using abilities to stay alive, and thus are both vulnerable to CC. Butcher has a much more reliable engage, but lacks the strong poke in lane that Thrall has. Butcher also has a bit of a snowballing aspect with Fresh Meat stacks if you like stuff like that. I personally like Thrall more because his kit is pretty versatile, however his talent builds are not too versatile. Butcher's kit is a bit more straightforward and honestly I am not sure about how versatile his talent builds are. Hope this helps!
Both are wonderful in Quickmatch for the 2v1 potential, though neither has anything on what Leroic can do with a 20 upgraded ult charging into 3 idiots who don't run.
On July 27 2015 11:07 zlefin wrote: I'd recommend Thrall. Butcher is very weak at the moment. Also, butcher really needs to be paired with a stun hero, otherwise people just walk away after you hook them, and you can't guarantee that in QM without a partner.
On July 27 2015 11:07 zlefin wrote: I'd recommend Thrall. Butcher is very weak at the moment. Also, butcher really needs to be paired with a stun hero, otherwise people just walk away after you hook them, and you can't guarantee that in QM without a partner.
This Diablo in my HL game was so bad you almost cant describe it. He dies solo to leoric. He never teamfights he keeps laning when the whole enemy team is right next to him.
He also uses lightning breath on the towers twice before going to 3v5(with KT and johana) the enemy team on the boss and delivering the most beautiful LB I have ever seen. Catching 4 for almost for the full duration. Joh stealing the boss and winning us the game.
Thanks for the input guys, I ended up going for Butcher. I was pretty much tied on the two, and the people I play with almost all have Thrall so I figured I'd take something different. So far he's certainly good fun, but I'm having a hard time getting a feel for how strong he is in QM since they're usually messy non-tank-non-support games, which makes it a bit weird. The one hero-league game went ok, but without cleanse it did just feel like I just got mass CC'd and blown up most fights that had a normal 5v5 engage. Skirmishes, he just rocks.
On July 28 2015 06:33 Promises wrote: Thanks for the input guys, I ended up going for Butcher. I was pretty much tied on the two, and the people I play with almost all have Thrall so I figured I'd take something different. So far he's certainly good fun, but I'm having a hard time getting a feel for how strong he is in QM since they're usually messy non-tank-non-support games, which makes it a bit weird. The one hero-league game went ok, but without cleanse it did just feel like I just got mass CC'd and blown up most fights that had a normal 5v5 engage. Skirmishes, he just rocks.
That seems to be his thing. I love him as a low-stress pub-stomper. Just queue up QM and wreck some scrubs.
On July 28 2015 06:33 Promises wrote: Thanks for the input guys, I ended up going for Butcher. I was pretty much tied on the two, and the people I play with almost all have Thrall so I figured I'd take something different. So far he's certainly good fun, but I'm having a hard time getting a feel for how strong he is in QM since they're usually messy non-tank-non-support games, which makes it a bit weird. The one hero-league game went ok, but without cleanse it did just feel like I just got mass CC'd and blown up most fights that had a normal 5v5 engage. Skirmishes, he just rocks.
Just to add, thrall gets kited much more easily but it's hellafun to blow up people post 16 when you're low health and they're full. Butcher is a beast for pubs if you're coupled with a good aba.
Am fairly certain I had the displeasure of playing vs. a map hacker last night. He was illidan on BoE, and used the hunt on me, yet had no vision of the map where I was, no wall, fort or minion was close by. Couple of things about this, firstly there is no way to report this guy, even searching battle.net gives me no option, and secondly, whilst searching for somewhere to report this asshole (gg blizz for making it super obvious and easy to help YOU keep the game cheat free) It's apparent that map hacks are common, going on the plethora of vods in the wild.
the report system isn't working for you? press tab, click on the wheel-like thing on the right for that char? that works for me for reporting people; not that it ever tells me if the reports do any good.
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