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Worst is when you get Tassadar and they get a true healer.
Likely reason why Tassadar isn't doing so well in general QM statistics (according to HotsLogs anyways).
All they really need to do is to add a subrole to the current roles.
Warriors are also a Tank or Bruiser.
Supports are also Healing or Utility/Force Multiplier.
Specialists are also Siege (Azmodan, Gazlowe) or Artillery/Damage (Sylvanas, Nazeebo).
Assassins are effectively already split up into Melee and Ranged.
They can then add a rule to the matchmaking stating that only equal support subroles are put up against each other.
So Tyrande vs Tassadar or Malfurion vs Uther.
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I think you should be able to attack the pufferfish with some spells. If I preemptively drop gazlowe's bomb where murky's gonna puffer, there's zero reward for that. I'd also classify murky as a support for matchmaking purposes. Non-healer games favor him so much sometimes.
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I want to delete Butcher from the game so that people like this cannot play him anymore. Somehow while soaking up 41k experience on Battlefield for Eternity and mostly ignoring the team fights for half the game i STILL managed to do more hero damage than that useless waste of space.
How? Just how? can you be THIS bad at this game? It boggles my fucking mind.
Like I was going 1 on 1 with Zagara in bot lane for the ENTIRE first Immortal phase with two Vikings since I had one soaking top and during that time 4v4 Butcher died THREE FUCKING TIMES. Like what?
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We can safely assume that Rehgar just didn't heal him when he really needed it. No coordination at all. You can see he was always running away, no Hero Damage either. Butcher can't do much with teammates like that.
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Except that wasn't the reason at all for it. Both he and the Anub'arak had no interest at all in dodging Kael's AoE spells or focusing on someone other than Muradin for that matter, notice that Muradin died 4 times and Valla only died once. I personally killed Kael'thas twice as Vikings when I actually got fed up and started actually doing the team fighting.
Jaina wasn't helping much either, getting caught out of position stupidly several times.
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On August 04 2015 09:36 Vindicare605 wrote:
I want to delete Butcher from the game so that people like this cannot play him anymore. Somehow while soaking up 41k experience on Battlefield for Eternity and mostly ignoring the team fights for half the game i STILL managed to do more hero damage than that useless waste of space.
How? Just how? can you be THIS bad at this game? It boggles my fucking mind.
Like I was going 1 on 1 with Zagara in bot lane for the ENTIRE first Immortal phase with two Vikings since I had one soaking top and during that time 4v4 Butcher died THREE FUCKING TIMES. Like what?
Don't touch my Butchy! He is awesome!
You can kill that guy IRL though, he is the problem, not the hero. :D
Something I've posted in another thread:
On August 04 2015 18:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 04:19 [Phantom] wrote:
It will be madness with both thrall and butcher this week. I predcit a lot of people calling Butcher OP, and a lot of people dying helplessly all the time. It will be Illidan week all over again haha. As someone who has the most games with Butcher out of all heroes, I predict that most people will feed a lot with him than doing something useful. :D
And that is exactly how I would imagine Butcher free week to go, same as Illidan, Thrall and Zeratul free week.
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On August 04 2015 18:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 09:36 Vindicare605 wrote:
I want to delete Butcher from the game so that people like this cannot play him anymore. Somehow while soaking up 41k experience on Battlefield for Eternity and mostly ignoring the team fights for half the game i STILL managed to do more hero damage than that useless waste of space.
How? Just how? can you be THIS bad at this game? It boggles my fucking mind.
Like I was going 1 on 1 with Zagara in bot lane for the ENTIRE first Immortal phase with two Vikings since I had one soaking top and during that time 4v4 Butcher died THREE FUCKING TIMES. Like what? Don't touch my Butchy! He is awesome! You can kill that guy IRL though, he is the problem, not the hero. :D Something I've posted in another thread: Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 18:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:On August 04 2015 04:19 [Phantom] wrote:
It will be madness with both thrall and butcher this week. I predcit a lot of people calling Butcher OP, and a lot of people dying helplessly all the time. It will be Illidan week all over again haha. As someone who has the most games with Butcher out of all heroes, I predict that most people will feed a lot with him than doing something useful. :D And that is exactly how I would imagine Butcher free week to go, same as Illidan, Thrall and Zeratul free week.
I understand this point, it's valid. I wonder though, can you use a free to play hero in hero league? I've no idea myself as it's only Thrall whom I do not own. And IF you can use free to play heroes in HL, mayhaps that should not be the case?
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I wonder though, can you use a free to play hero in hero league?
Only if you own them.
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Well that's good then. But bad because the butcher in one of my hero league games from yesterday, really was dopey as doo-doo.
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On August 05 2015 01:39 fruity. wrote:
Well that's good then. But bad because the butcher in one of my hero league games from yesterday, really was dopey as doo-doo.
Why some people play in hero league is beyond me. If you're going to auto-lock gazlowe/raynor/lili every single fight, why not just play in QM? It makes no sense to make your drafting decisions before the actual draft.
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The drafting stage is almost as crucial as the gameplay stage, I think all here will agree to this statement to varying degrees. And you're right, I get the distinct impression that many times in HL people don't choose their hero based on what their opponents pick, but rather on what they currently are playing or perhaps even to complete some quest..
It drives me fucking nuts when I don't see a Jaina, Kael, or Jo picked as draft one on my team, but instead some never seen scrub like chen or raynor (yeah yeah they're fun to play etc don't have a go at me on this point guys! But as PICK ONE you need maximum impact with maximum utility, and a Jaina or Kael at least in my eyes fits this bill well, and giving the opposition the choice to take Kael when you could of swooped on him first.. (yeah yeah might not have that hero blah blah, just like so many seem to not have healers, blah blah).
At the start of the draft I always (and politely) Try to encourage people to show their picks - at least then there is a chance to persuade them otherwise, should the pick be poor, and when people do pre select, how often do you see them change choices (beyond the opponent picking their chosen hero?) Or there being any discussion on counters to what the opposition choose. Perhaps as I crawl my way in to the sub 20 rank (24 atm) This behaviour may become more prevalent, but somehow I doubt it.
People don't treat the draft with the respect it deserves, or try to pick counters to the oppositions chosen heroes, or even discuss this point.
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The limitations of most players does make for some interesting drafting in lower leagues. I've begun to realize that my higher win-rate with malfurion might be because when I take malfurion I force the 4th/5th pick on their team to go lili, because they have no other supports. [all other main supports are 7k+gold, who would buy them when they love assassins?]
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On August 05 2015 01:49 MotherFox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 01:39 fruity. wrote:
Well that's good then. But bad because the butcher in one of my hero league games from yesterday, really was dopey as doo-doo. Why some people play in hero league is beyond me. If you're going to auto-lock gazlowe/raynor/lili every single fight, why not just play in QM? It makes no sense to make your drafting decisions before the actual draft.
Lili is great, gaz can be a fucking monster and raynor has his uses too. He doesn't die when you breath on him unlike most ranged ass like valla. He's especially great against a zera pick.
On August 05 2015 02:16 fruity. wrote:
It drives me fucking nuts when I don't see a Jaina, Kael, or Jo picked as draft one on my team, but instead some never seen scrub like chen or raynor (yeah yeah they're fun to play etc don't have a go at me on this point guys!.
I have a much bigger issue with people who insist you absolutely MUST pick jaina or kael in HL like they're the best heroes in the world and an autowin. A wellplayed chen in a double tank team can shit so hard on a team that has both a jaina and kael it's not even funny. But no, better pick jaina and kael because the stats say they're the best!!
The drafting phase is indeed important, and thinking about hero picks involves actually thinking about the pick more than auto jaina/kael.
Playing around rank 13 picking nova against a kael usually is a free win for me, for example.
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On August 05 2015 02:51 Slayer92 wrote:
I have a much bigger issue with people who insist you absolutely MUST pick jaina or kael in HL like they're the best heroes in the world and an autowin. A well played chen in a double tank team can shit so hard on a team that has both a jaina and kael it's not even funny. But no, better pick jaina and kael because the stats say they're the best!!
The drafting phase is indeed important, and thinking about hero picks involves actually thinking about the pick more than auto jaina/kael.
Playing around rank 13 picking nova against a kael usually is a free win for me, for example.
You're saying you'd rather be playing against Kael or Jaina, than with Kael or Jaina? OK.. I believe you, no honest I do!
I don't know what stats you're referring to, but I do know that Kael turns into a monster at 16 (we all know that for an irrefutable fact) And I would rather have him working with me, than against me.
I'll concede the point about playing a hero one might be good with vs a preferred pick less often played or which you can't utilise to the same extent.
Love to see some replays of the free wins you claim playing vs Kael. Cos I kid you not, my replays are full or either getting rolled by Kael, or Kael doing the rolling for us.
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On August 05 2015 03:40 fruity. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 02:51 Slayer92 wrote:
I have a much bigger issue with people who insist you absolutely MUST pick jaina or kael in HL like they're the best heroes in the world and an autowin. A well played chen in a double tank team can shit so hard on a team that has both a jaina and kael it's not even funny. But no, better pick jaina and kael because the stats say they're the best!!
The drafting phase is indeed important, and thinking about hero picks involves actually thinking about the pick more than auto jaina/kael.
Playing around rank 13 picking nova against a kael usually is a free win for me, for example. You're saying you'd rather be playing against Kael or Jaina, than with Kael or Jaina? OK.. I believe you, no honest I do! I don't know what stats you're referring to, but I do know that Kael turns into a monster at 16 ( we all know that for an irrefutable fact) And I would rather have him working with me, than against me. I'll concede the point about playing a hero one might be good with vs a preferred pick less often played or which you can't utilise to the same extent. Love to see some replays of the free wins you claim playing vs Kael. Cos I kid you not, my replays are full or either getting rolled by Kael, or Kael doing the rolling for us.
Yup, I don't care about having a kael or jaina on my team. Kael turning into a monster at 16 is hilarious. Always get kael players who die over and over and whenever someone says something it's always "I need lv16". I'd actually do you the favour of looking up some replays, but unfortunately I'm on holiday for another week or 2.
Usually it's either something like a nova sniping a kael with 1 combo, or playing tyrael/melee assassin and you can just dive and gib kael.
Point is, I get PICK KAEL OR JAINA WE NEED THIS HERO way too often on my team, and it's usually coming from some shit tier player. Shit's annoying.
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People as usual refuse to show their draft choices. It's down to me and the last guy and time is running out. Since we have neither a tank nor a healer, I go with a warrior, urging the last ally to grab a healer. After locking in my pick, he goes "me no heal" and chooses Raynor. Feelsgoodman.jpg
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Why some people play in hero league is beyond me. If you're going to auto-lock gazlowe/raynor/lili every single fight, why not just play in QM? It makes no sense to make your drafting decisions before the actual draft.
Lili is great, gaz can be a fucking monster and raynor has his uses too. He doesn't die when you breath on him unlike most ranged ass like valla. He's especially great against a zera pick.
...except your examples aren't really what I'm talking about. when someone picks lili as 1st pick(IE: auto-locking her, which is what I was talking about), then we just get some hard CC and avoid autoattackers. Even more fun is when we get jaina/kael as our first two picks and then the enemy team responds with lili. Always seems to be an autowin for our team when it happens.
The same can go for auto-locking raynor or gaz. There are simply better picks 90% of the time, but players who seemingly insist on always playing these characters in all games. (Or are completely oblivious to the situations in which these characters should/should-not be taken.)
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I am a bit surprised people don't like Raynor against a double warrior + jaina comp. I like Raynor against Jaina because she has a relatively short spell range so he can outrange much of her damage and his Q can keep her at distance while doing good damage. Raynor also being one of the best Giant Killer heroes in the game as well.
Even versus that comp I'd still probably prefer Q build Valla w/ GK on 13.
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On August 04 2015 12:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
Except that wasn't the reason at all for it. Both he and the Anub'arak had no interest at all in dodging Kael's AoE spells or focusing on someone other than Muradin for that matter, notice that Muradin died 4 times and Valla only died once. I personally killed Kael'thas twice as Vikings when I actually got fed up and started actually doing the team fighting.
Jaina wasn't helping much either, getting caught out of position stupidly several times. No, nonono. They can't keep dodging all the time, they have to get in there and do damage! If the healer won't keep them alive, it's not their fault.
Have you never played Butcher?! You sure don't think like one!
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