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Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 14 2014 18:13 GMT
#1281
On March 15 2014 01:18 CruelZeratul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 20:31 Disengaged wrote:
On March 14 2014 16:51 Shaella wrote:
On March 14 2014 16:43 Endymion wrote:
On March 14 2014 16:40 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On March 14 2014 13:02 Disengaged wrote:
On March 14 2014 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wow from what I'm hearing this is more p2w for noobs than lol. I'm not even going to bother, I like my hatmoba2 just fine.


Those cosmetic skins are totally pay2win. So, by your logic those cosmetic skins in LoL and cosmetic items in dota 2 are pay2win.

/facepalm

I must not understand. Do people have to play to unlock heroes? Or is it just for cosemtics? If you have to pay to unlock playable characters its pay2win.


atm it's the same as league: you can grind out currency in game to purchase both cosmetics or heroes, or you can buy it with USD or whatever.

thats still p2w imo


No. No its not.


So I've you make a premade 5on5 and your team can only pick 1/3 of the heroes while the other team can pick all of them, then this will most likely by a massive disadvantage for the first team. I assume that some heroes are pretty good against certain other ones and certain strategies beat certain other strategies. By restricting the hero-pool you restrict these counterpicks and that causes imbalance and pay2win.


Still, no.

Listen to Plansix.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 14 2014 18:14 GMT
#1282
On March 15 2014 03:07 ComaDose wrote:
you can unlock all heroes with free points right? can't tell from the way people are whining.


Yes, you can.
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
March 14 2014 18:21 GMT
#1283
On March 15 2014 03:13 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 01:18 CruelZeratul wrote:
On March 14 2014 20:31 Disengaged wrote:
On March 14 2014 16:51 Shaella wrote:
On March 14 2014 16:43 Endymion wrote:
On March 14 2014 16:40 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On March 14 2014 13:02 Disengaged wrote:
On March 14 2014 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wow from what I'm hearing this is more p2w for noobs than lol. I'm not even going to bother, I like my hatmoba2 just fine.


Those cosmetic skins are totally pay2win. So, by your logic those cosmetic skins in LoL and cosmetic items in dota 2 are pay2win.

/facepalm

I must not understand. Do people have to play to unlock heroes? Or is it just for cosemtics? If you have to pay to unlock playable characters its pay2win.


atm it's the same as league: you can grind out currency in game to purchase both cosmetics or heroes, or you can buy it with USD or whatever.

thats still p2w imo


No. No its not.


So I've you make a premade 5on5 and your team can only pick 1/3 of the heroes while the other team can pick all of them, then this will most likely by a massive disadvantage for the first team. I assume that some heroes are pretty good against certain other ones and certain strategies beat certain other strategies. By restricting the hero-pool you restrict these counterpicks and that causes imbalance and pay2win.


Still, no.

Listen to Plansix.


Solid arguments being made on both sides.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
March 14 2014 18:24 GMT
#1284
On March 15 2014 03:14 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 03:07 ComaDose wrote:
you can unlock all heroes with free points right? can't tell from the way people are whining.


Yes, you can.

so its like a tonne of other games like LoL and Hearthstone where there is nothing you can get that gives you an advantage in game that you cant get for free?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 18:35:12
March 14 2014 18:29 GMT
#1285
This is still a P2W model, kind of lame. Yeah you can get everything free if you invest what, 3000+ hours playing? Meh
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 18:31:01
March 14 2014 18:29 GMT
#1286
On March 15 2014 03:24 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 03:14 Disengaged wrote:
On March 15 2014 03:07 ComaDose wrote:
you can unlock all heroes with free points right? can't tell from the way people are whining.


Yes, you can.

so its like a tonne of other games like LoL and Hearthstone where there is nothing you can get that gives you an advantage in game that you cant get for free?


Yes, unless you want to consider cosmetic items being "pay2win" like some people in this thread lol

Also, I believe you get 500 coins after a win and from what I've seen heroes can go for 3k-10k
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
March 14 2014 18:30 GMT
#1287
maybe its pay to have a small advantage during drafting sooner
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
TexasToast
Profile Joined March 2011
United States82 Posts
March 14 2014 18:41 GMT
#1288
After watching people play this game for a while it dropped my interest in the game from almost nothing, to nothing. The game looks so mind numbingly casual. It reminds me of every Dota copy that has come out in the past few years. Dumb the game down, take all skillful things out like items, farming, etc and let people randomly smash their head against the keyboard to win.

WoW has had developers trying to copy WoW's success for years by dumbing down the formula or trying to appeal to the most casual of players, and virtually all of those games have fizzled out or have a tiny following at this point. You think Blizzard would have an understanding that making crappy versions of a successful game doesn't work out. I expect this game to pick up a bunch of players, and drop off incredibly quickly like all of their recent titles have.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 14 2014 18:43 GMT
#1289
On March 15 2014 03:41 TexasToast wrote:
After watching people play this game for a while it dropped my interest in the game from almost nothing, to nothing. The game looks so mind numbingly casual. It reminds me of every Dota copy that has come out in the past few years. Dumb the game down, take all skillful things out like items, farming, etc and let people randomly smash their head against the keyboard to win.

WoW has had developers trying to copy WoW's success for years by dumbing down the formula or trying to appeal to the most casual of players, and virtually all of those games have fizzled out or have a tiny following at this point. You think Blizzard would have an understanding that making crappy versions of a successful game doesn't work out. I expect this game to pick up a bunch of players, and drop off incredibly quickly like all of their recent titles have.


You mean like Hearthstone?

Nope.
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
March 14 2014 18:44 GMT
#1290
On March 15 2014 03:29 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 03:24 ComaDose wrote:
On March 15 2014 03:14 Disengaged wrote:
On March 15 2014 03:07 ComaDose wrote:
you can unlock all heroes with free points right? can't tell from the way people are whining.


Yes, you can.

so its like a tonne of other games like LoL and Hearthstone where there is nothing you can get that gives you an advantage in game that you cant get for free?


Yes, unless you want to consider cosmetic items being "pay2win" like some people in this thread lol

Also, I believe you get 500 coins after a win and from what I've seen heroes can go for 3k-10k


500 gold per level. Not per win. The leveling does seem fairly generous if they keep the same exp scaling for release.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
March 14 2014 18:44 GMT
#1291
On March 15 2014 03:24 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 03:14 Disengaged wrote:
On March 15 2014 03:07 ComaDose wrote:
you can unlock all heroes with free points right? can't tell from the way people are whining.


Yes, you can.

so its like a tonne of other games like LoL and Hearthstone where there is nothing you can get that gives you an advantage in game that you cant get for free?


But all the time you spent playing a game. People want to get all the unlocks asap so they have no aim anymore and can move on the the next game faster. They want to grind as many games as possible unimportant if they actually played it, the important part is that they finished it completely. And Free to play games that are not pay2win are horrible expensive for them, because you will have to spend a ton of time playing the game or pay endless amounts of money just to save some time and not get an advantage out of it.

Warlords of Draenor is like a heavens send game for them. Not long and every game on steam will offer the finished game version for 60 dollars extra, that will have a save with a 100% game already. Just buy the game and you are done already !
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 18:49:20
March 14 2014 18:47 GMT
#1292
On March 15 2014 03:43 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 03:41 TexasToast wrote:
After watching people play this game for a while it dropped my interest in the game from almost nothing, to nothing. The game looks so mind numbingly casual. It reminds me of every Dota copy that has come out in the past few years. Dumb the game down, take all skillful things out like items, farming, etc and let people randomly smash their head against the keyboard to win.

WoW has had developers trying to copy WoW's success for years by dumbing down the formula or trying to appeal to the most casual of players, and virtually all of those games have fizzled out or have a tiny following at this point. You think Blizzard would have an understanding that making crappy versions of a successful game doesn't work out. I expect this game to pick up a bunch of players, and drop off incredibly quickly like all of their recent titles have.


You mean like Hearthstone?

Nope.


Yeah as weak as HS is competitively, it's a pretty fun game and most of all it's accessible as hell. It's the sad fact that somehow Blizzard was the one to make an online CCG easy to play. It's actually baffling how poorly Wizards of the Coast did in terms of making MtG accessible as an online when nearly everyone I know has played MtG at some point in their life and really enjoys it but don't play ever because of how much it costs to play a single weekend draft.

Blizzard got this bit right for sure.

On March 15 2014 03:44 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 03:24 ComaDose wrote:
On March 15 2014 03:14 Disengaged wrote:
On March 15 2014 03:07 ComaDose wrote:
you can unlock all heroes with free points right? can't tell from the way people are whining.


Yes, you can.

so its like a tonne of other games like LoL and Hearthstone where there is nothing you can get that gives you an advantage in game that you cant get for free?


But all the time you spent playing a game. People want to get all the unlocks asap so they have no aim anymore and can move on the the next game faster. They want to grind as many games as possible unimportant if they actually played it, the important part is that they finished it completely. And Free to play games that are not pay2win are horrible expensive for them, because you will have to spend a ton of time playing the game or pay endless amounts of money just to save some time and not get an advantage out of it.

Warlords of Draenor is like a heavens send game for them. Not long and every game on steam will offer the finished game version for 60 dollars extra, that will have a save with a 100% game already. Just buy the game and you are done already !


Right... having locked content is now a "feature".

Explain to me why anyone even bothers to play DOTA then? It's such a casual game. I can't believe you don't have to unlock any gameplay content.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
March 14 2014 18:59 GMT
#1293
Looking at the streams it just feels like a LoL clone, everything from the art direction to the sound and words of the announcer, it doesn't even look like an original Blizzard game.
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
TexasToast
Profile Joined March 2011
United States82 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 19:12:39
March 14 2014 19:05 GMT
#1294
On March 15 2014 03:59 zeo wrote:
Looking at the streams it just feels like a LoL clone, everything from the art direction to the sound and words of the announcer, it doesn't even look like an original Blizzard game.


I feel similarly. The game seems like a more casual version of LoL.
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 19:20:26
March 14 2014 19:20 GMT
#1295
On March 15 2014 03:43 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 03:41 TexasToast wrote:
After watching people play this game for a while it dropped my interest in the game from almost nothing, to nothing. The game looks so mind numbingly casual. It reminds me of every Dota copy that has come out in the past few years. Dumb the game down, take all skillful things out like items, farming, etc and let people randomly smash their head against the keyboard to win.

WoW has had developers trying to copy WoW's success for years by dumbing down the formula or trying to appeal to the most casual of players, and virtually all of those games have fizzled out or have a tiny following at this point. You think Blizzard would have an understanding that making crappy versions of a successful game doesn't work out. I expect this game to pick up a bunch of players, and drop off incredibly quickly like all of their recent titles have.


You mean like Hearthstone?

Nope.


The problem with catering to the casuals is that they don't tend to stick to one game for very long, it's the hardcore people that stay for the long run, so if you alienate those guys you might do well early in a game but then the player base will fizzle out.
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
March 14 2014 19:21 GMT
#1296
The art direction looking like LoL?hu... It doesn't look like LoL at all to me but okay
The thing that bothered me the most about the UI (it's kind of stupid though) is the minimap on the right. It really tells that they are trying to get people from LoL to play HOTS, as LoL is the only game that I know of with the minimap on the right. I hope there will be an option to change it, cause I can't for the life of me play with the minimap there after so much sc2/dota.
Other than that it looks really fun and I'm eager to play it!
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 14 2014 19:24 GMT
#1297
If you are good enough at league that you need every champion then you have already played it enough to the point where you have the runes most likely. That is if you want to play competively, and im not talking about solo q silver 1.
Your paper might be sharper or your rock (marginally) heavier. You still need to use them correctly.
WriterXiao8~~
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
March 14 2014 19:38 GMT
#1298
On March 15 2014 04:24 Kipsate wrote:
If you are good enough at league that you need every champion then you have already played it enough to the point where you have the runes most likely. That is if you want to play competively, and im not talking about solo q silver 1.
Your paper might be sharper or your rock (marginally) heavier. You still need to use them correctly.


Every time I get interested in playing LoL again I remember I have to play another few hundred games just to have proper rune pages before I farm IP again to get the champs that are interesting. Then I give up and boot up DOTA.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
March 14 2014 19:39 GMT
#1299
On March 15 2014 04:24 Kipsate wrote:
Your paper might be sharper or your rock (marginally) heavier. You still need to use them correctly.


i dont know shit about lols system,never played it.

but that skill is still the ultimate difference isnt an argument at all. if quake offered 5$ for more railgun dmg that would still be the definition of p2w.
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
March 14 2014 19:44 GMT
#1300
On March 15 2014 04:38 hariooo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 04:24 Kipsate wrote:
If you are good enough at league that you need every champion then you have already played it enough to the point where you have the runes most likely. That is if you want to play competively, and im not talking about solo q silver 1.
Your paper might be sharper or your rock (marginally) heavier. You still need to use them correctly.


Every time I get interested in playing LoL again I remember I have to play another few hundred games just to have proper rune pages before I farm IP again to get the champs that are interesting. Then I give up and boot up DOTA.

actually you can play right now without doing any of those things and be evenly matched
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
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