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On March 14 2014 21:53 Warri wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:08 Gowerly wrote:On March 14 2014 20:31 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 16:51 Shaella wrote:On March 14 2014 16:43 Endymion wrote:On March 14 2014 16:40 Jaaaaasper wrote:On March 14 2014 13:02 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wow from what I'm hearing this is more p2w for noobs than lol. I'm not even going to bother, I like my hatmoba2 just fine. Those cosmetic skins are totally pay2win. So, by your logic those cosmetic skins in LoL and cosmetic items in dota 2 are pay2win. /facepalm I must not understand. Do people have to play to unlock heroes? Or is it just for cosemtics? If you have to pay to unlock playable characters its pay2win. atm it's the same as league: you can grind out currency in game to purchase both cosmetics or heroes, or you can buy it with USD or whatever. thats still p2w imo No. No its not. Are there rune pages/masteries like in League? If not then the having to pay/grind to unlock is merely restrictive. If the heroes behind the paywall are objectively better in some way, then it's pay to win. if rock beats scissors but you have to pay for paper, which isnt objectively better than scissor but beats rock easier, then yes, its still p2w.
In a skill based game, paper does only beat rock if you are experienced with playing paper. Buying more options before you are able to play the ones you already got means you loses. In this way, LoL, and probably this game as well, is pay2lose.
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On March 14 2014 22:14 deth wrote:
Played a few games, was bored the entire time. Just not my cup of tea, would much rather engage in the complexity and competitive nature of dota/LoL.
Seems as though blizzard is moving away from competitive esports into the arena of casual games, so while I won't be playing any of them I wish them luck.
It can be a eSport just like any other game. The community will make it into one if they so feel to do so. Much like Hearthstone.
The objectives on the map give the game a more dynamic feels.
First impressions of it is good so far.
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Ridiculous.
Not much hope from the news snippets we had so far about mounts and shared xp and what have you but this is just atrocious.
And this is coming from blizzard, a titanic organisation, meanwhile a polish company, cdprojekt is trying to make real games.
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the first moba i could ever stand watching more than 30 minutes without wanting to rip my hair out. I like what i've seen so far, and it's an alpha, so it's only going to get better from here 
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On March 14 2014 21:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 21:53 Warri wrote:On March 14 2014 21:08 Gowerly wrote:On March 14 2014 20:31 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 16:51 Shaella wrote:On March 14 2014 16:43 Endymion wrote:On March 14 2014 16:40 Jaaaaasper wrote:On March 14 2014 13:02 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wow from what I'm hearing this is more p2w for noobs than lol. I'm not even going to bother, I like my hatmoba2 just fine. Those cosmetic skins are totally pay2win. So, by your logic those cosmetic skins in LoL and cosmetic items in dota 2 are pay2win. /facepalm I must not understand. Do people have to play to unlock heroes? Or is it just for cosemtics? If you have to pay to unlock playable characters its pay2win. atm it's the same as league: you can grind out currency in game to purchase both cosmetics or heroes, or you can buy it with USD or whatever. thats still p2w imo No. No its not. Are there rune pages/masteries like in League? If not then the having to pay/grind to unlock is merely restrictive. If the heroes behind the paywall are objectively better in some way, then it's pay to win. if rock beats scissors but you have to pay for paper, which isnt objectively better than scissor but beats rock easier, then yes, its still p2w. Well there are several flavors of paper and as long as one of them is free, it's not a problem.
Several flavors of paper: some are sharper for more painful paper cuts, some are easier to wad up and throw, some get wet less easily. Maybe the paper that is legal sized is your favorite and you do best with it but this week only the colored construction paper is free. And well you had to spend the RPS sparkle points you made last week playing the only 3 hours you had available to buy the special paper-addons that you can glue to whatever paper you're using to make it more elastic, floatier, softer to blow your nose into, whatever so you're stuck playing once again with that free to throw moisture absorbent paper towel that you hate that just barely beats the diamond studded guaranteed to make her wed you rock. You'd play something else but it's your only choice since the rock and scissors roles on your own team have been taken up by those idiots that chose gravel and child-safe champs.
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On March 14 2014 22:58 Sufinsil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 22:14 deth wrote:
Played a few games, was bored the entire time. Just not my cup of tea, would much rather engage in the complexity and competitive nature of dota/LoL.
Seems as though blizzard is moving away from competitive esports into the arena of casual games, so while I won't be playing any of them I wish them luck. It can be a eSport just like any other game. The community will make it into one if they so feel to do so. Much like Hearthstone.
That was probably the most fail comparison you could have brought. How could anyone consider Hearthstone an esport?
I really hope HoS has more potential than Hearthstone in that regard.
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On March 15 2014 01:00 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 22:58 Sufinsil wrote:On March 14 2014 22:14 deth wrote:
Played a few games, was bored the entire time. Just not my cup of tea, would much rather engage in the complexity and competitive nature of dota/LoL.
Seems as though blizzard is moving away from competitive esports into the arena of casual games, so while I won't be playing any of them I wish them luck. It can be a eSport just like any other game. The community will make it into one if they so feel to do so. Much like Hearthstone. That was probably the most fail comparison you could have brought. How could anyone consider Hearthstone an esport? I really hope HoS has more potential than Hearthstone in that regard.
People make good money playing Hearthstone professionally, regardless of how deep you think the game is (it isn't). It has tournaments as big as your average SC2 major. It's an esport as much as anything. Do you follow the scene?
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On March 15 2014 01:00 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 22:58 Sufinsil wrote:On March 14 2014 22:14 deth wrote:
Played a few games, was bored the entire time. Just not my cup of tea, would much rather engage in the complexity and competitive nature of dota/LoL.
Seems as though blizzard is moving away from competitive esports into the arena of casual games, so while I won't be playing any of them I wish them luck. It can be a eSport just like any other game. The community will make it into one if they so feel to do so. Much like Hearthstone. That was probably the most fail comparison you could have brought. How could anyone consider Hearthstone an esport? I really hope HoS has more potential than Hearthstone in that regard.
People have competitive Rock Paper Scissors matches and there is a whole meta game around that. The game will have a competitive following if people enjoy watching it.
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On March 15 2014 01:04 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 01:00 Redox wrote:On March 14 2014 22:58 Sufinsil wrote:On March 14 2014 22:14 deth wrote:
Played a few games, was bored the entire time. Just not my cup of tea, would much rather engage in the complexity and competitive nature of dota/LoL.
Seems as though blizzard is moving away from competitive esports into the arena of casual games, so while I won't be playing any of them I wish them luck. It can be a eSport just like any other game. The community will make it into one if they so feel to do so. Much like Hearthstone. That was probably the most fail comparison you could have brought. How could anyone consider Hearthstone an esport? I really hope HoS has more potential than Hearthstone in that regard. People make good money playing Hearthstone professionally, regardless of how deep you think the game is (it isn't). It has tournaments as big as your average SC2 major. It's an esport as much as anything. Do you follow the scene?
Yeah.
First of all it is a card game. If it is an esport, then poker or bridge are esports.
Then it doesnt offer enough to be truly competetive. Luck is way too important. Which is why tournaments are not open tournaments. It is the same known players duking it out against each other, so that viwers get the illusion these players are actually the best or something. In open tournaments with many participants like in sc2 or whatever you would see someone else winning every time.
People wacthing it doesnt make it a sport automatically. Otherwise pro wrestling would be a sport.
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On March 14 2014 20:31 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 16:51 Shaella wrote:On March 14 2014 16:43 Endymion wrote:On March 14 2014 16:40 Jaaaaasper wrote:On March 14 2014 13:02 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wow from what I'm hearing this is more p2w for noobs than lol. I'm not even going to bother, I like my hatmoba2 just fine. Those cosmetic skins are totally pay2win. So, by your logic those cosmetic skins in LoL and cosmetic items in dota 2 are pay2win. /facepalm I must not understand. Do people have to play to unlock heroes? Or is it just for cosemtics? If you have to pay to unlock playable characters its pay2win. atm it's the same as league: you can grind out currency in game to purchase both cosmetics or heroes, or you can buy it with USD or whatever. thats still p2w imo No. No its not.
So I've you make a premade 5on5 and your team can only pick 1/3 of the heroes while the other team can pick all of them, then this will most likely by a massive disadvantage for the first team. I assume that some heroes are pretty good against certain other ones and certain strategies beat certain other strategies. By restricting the hero-pool you restrict these counterpicks and that causes imbalance and pay2win.
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On March 15 2014 01:13 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 01:04 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 01:00 Redox wrote:On March 14 2014 22:58 Sufinsil wrote:On March 14 2014 22:14 deth wrote:
Played a few games, was bored the entire time. Just not my cup of tea, would much rather engage in the complexity and competitive nature of dota/LoL.
Seems as though blizzard is moving away from competitive esports into the arena of casual games, so while I won't be playing any of them I wish them luck. It can be a eSport just like any other game. The community will make it into one if they so feel to do so. Much like Hearthstone. That was probably the most fail comparison you could have brought. How could anyone consider Hearthstone an esport? I really hope HoS has more potential than Hearthstone in that regard. People make good money playing Hearthstone professionally, regardless of how deep you think the game is (it isn't). It has tournaments as big as your average SC2 major. It's an esport as much as anything. Do you follow the scene? Yeah. First of all it is a card game. If it is an esport, then poker or bridge are esports. Then it doesnt offer enough to be truly competetive. Luck is way too important. Which is why tournaments are not open tournaments. It is the same known players duking it out against each other, so that viwers get the illusion these players are actually the best or something. In open tournaments with many participants like in sc2 or whatever you would see someone else winning every time. People wacthing it doesnt make it a sport automatically. Otherwise pro wrestling would be a sport.
1. Because the "e" in esports stands for "eh let's just say all video games that don't involve cards".
2. How many SC2 tournament were open bracket and not invite-only in 2010 when it came out? Hell even TSL3 was invitational. A young scene requires popular faces to grow it.
3. Pro wrestling is scripted. Unless Vince Mcmahon is secretly ordering each HS deck for maximum personal drama, who are you and where were you educated to formulate a coherent argument? Please sue them.
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On March 15 2014 01:18 CruelZeratul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 20:31 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 16:51 Shaella wrote:On March 14 2014 16:43 Endymion wrote:On March 14 2014 16:40 Jaaaaasper wrote:On March 14 2014 13:02 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wow from what I'm hearing this is more p2w for noobs than lol. I'm not even going to bother, I like my hatmoba2 just fine. Those cosmetic skins are totally pay2win. So, by your logic those cosmetic skins in LoL and cosmetic items in dota 2 are pay2win. /facepalm I must not understand. Do people have to play to unlock heroes? Or is it just for cosemtics? If you have to pay to unlock playable characters its pay2win. atm it's the same as league: you can grind out currency in game to purchase both cosmetics or heroes, or you can buy it with USD or whatever. thats still p2w imo No. No its not. So I've you make a premade 5on5 and your team can only pick 1/3 of the heroes while the other team can pick all of them, then this will most likely by a massive disadvantage for the first team. I assume that some heroes are pretty good against certain other ones and certain strategies beat certain other strategies. By restricting the hero-pool you restrict these counterpicks and that causes imbalance and pay2win.
Pay to win would be "pay $5 to start the next 5 matches at level 3." Unless you are paying for an significant advantage, it's doesn't really fall under the concept of pay to win. Slight imbalances due to hero interaction are likely minimal, since it is a 5 man game and most heroes do not work solo.
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On March 15 2014 01:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 01:18 CruelZeratul wrote:On March 14 2014 20:31 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 16:51 Shaella wrote:On March 14 2014 16:43 Endymion wrote:On March 14 2014 16:40 Jaaaaasper wrote:On March 14 2014 13:02 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wow from what I'm hearing this is more p2w for noobs than lol. I'm not even going to bother, I like my hatmoba2 just fine. Those cosmetic skins are totally pay2win. So, by your logic those cosmetic skins in LoL and cosmetic items in dota 2 are pay2win. /facepalm I must not understand. Do people have to play to unlock heroes? Or is it just for cosemtics? If you have to pay to unlock playable characters its pay2win. atm it's the same as league: you can grind out currency in game to purchase both cosmetics or heroes, or you can buy it with USD or whatever. thats still p2w imo No. No its not. So I've you make a premade 5on5 and your team can only pick 1/3 of the heroes while the other team can pick all of them, then this will most likely by a massive disadvantage for the first team. I assume that some heroes are pretty good against certain other ones and certain strategies beat certain other strategies. By restricting the hero-pool you restrict these counterpicks and that causes imbalance and pay2win. Pay to win would be "pay $5 to start the next 5 matches at level 3." Unless you are paying for an significant advantage, it's doesn't really fall under the concept of pay to win. Slight imbalances due to hero interaction are likely minimal, since it is a 5 man game and most heroes do not work solo.
That explains why there's a ban phase during competitive games.
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On March 15 2014 01:34 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 01:23 Plansix wrote:On March 15 2014 01:18 CruelZeratul wrote:On March 14 2014 20:31 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 16:51 Shaella wrote:On March 14 2014 16:43 Endymion wrote:On March 14 2014 16:40 Jaaaaasper wrote:On March 14 2014 13:02 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wow from what I'm hearing this is more p2w for noobs than lol. I'm not even going to bother, I like my hatmoba2 just fine. Those cosmetic skins are totally pay2win. So, by your logic those cosmetic skins in LoL and cosmetic items in dota 2 are pay2win. /facepalm I must not understand. Do people have to play to unlock heroes? Or is it just for cosemtics? If you have to pay to unlock playable characters its pay2win. atm it's the same as league: you can grind out currency in game to purchase both cosmetics or heroes, or you can buy it with USD or whatever. thats still p2w imo No. No its not. So I've you make a premade 5on5 and your team can only pick 1/3 of the heroes while the other team can pick all of them, then this will most likely by a massive disadvantage for the first team. I assume that some heroes are pretty good against certain other ones and certain strategies beat certain other strategies. By restricting the hero-pool you restrict these counterpicks and that causes imbalance and pay2win. Pay to win would be "pay $5 to start the next 5 matches at level 3." Unless you are paying for an significant advantage, it's doesn't really fall under the concept of pay to win. Slight imbalances due to hero interaction are likely minimal, since it is a 5 man game and most heroes do not work solo. That explains why there's a ban phase during competitive games.
In league it is used to ban out specific heroes based on what you want to do. In dota, all the heroes are available. I don't know if there are bans in heroes or not.
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On March 15 2014 01:20 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 01:13 Redox wrote:On March 15 2014 01:04 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 01:00 Redox wrote:On March 14 2014 22:58 Sufinsil wrote:On March 14 2014 22:14 deth wrote:
Played a few games, was bored the entire time. Just not my cup of tea, would much rather engage in the complexity and competitive nature of dota/LoL.
Seems as though blizzard is moving away from competitive esports into the arena of casual games, so while I won't be playing any of them I wish them luck. It can be a eSport just like any other game. The community will make it into one if they so feel to do so. Much like Hearthstone. That was probably the most fail comparison you could have brought. How could anyone consider Hearthstone an esport? I really hope HoS has more potential than Hearthstone in that regard. People make good money playing Hearthstone professionally, regardless of how deep you think the game is (it isn't). It has tournaments as big as your average SC2 major. It's an esport as much as anything. Do you follow the scene? Yeah. First of all it is a card game. If it is an esport, then poker or bridge are esports. Then it doesnt offer enough to be truly competetive. Luck is way too important. Which is why tournaments are not open tournaments. It is the same known players duking it out against each other, so that viwers get the illusion these players are actually the best or something. In open tournaments with many participants like in sc2 or whatever you would see someone else winning every time. People wacthing it doesnt make it a sport automatically. Otherwise pro wrestling would be a sport. 1. Because the "e" in esports stands for "eh let's just say all video games that don't involve cards". 2. How many SC2 tournament were open bracket and not invite-only in 2010 when it came out? Hell even TSL3 was invitational. A young scene requires popular faces to grow it. 3. Pro wrestling is scripted. Unless Vince Mcmahon is secretly ordering each HS deck for maximum personal drama, who are you and where were you educated to formulate a coherent argument? Please sue them.
1. I dont see a fundamental difference between Hearthstone and other card games which would soemhow make this one "e". Poker is also mainly played on PC. Noone has called it an esport afaik. Was MTG ever called esport? I have no idea.
2. There were quite a few, like go4sc2 but also many others. Invites to stuff like kings of beta was based on that. People became known by being (repeatedly) succesful in open tournamnets, not just by being streamers or having the right friends.
Even if it was different, obviously there will never be a tournament scene in hs like in sc2. Simply because of the random nature of the game, which means that you would have different people winnign every time.
3. No need to get personal. And did I directly compare hs and pro wrestlign anywhere? Nope. I just said "People wacthing it doesnt make it a sport automatically. Otherwise pro wrestling would be a sport." Which is a simple truth. It just counters the argument that people following it would make it one. The competetive aspect is another important criterium besides following.
Anyway I did not want to shit on hs. I think its a nice game and I play it a lot myself (like 3k games). My initial point was just that comparing the competetive aspect of HotS to hs doesnt do the former any favors, and I hope it exceeds that.
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Would be refreshing if these things were marketed by fresh faces on twitch.
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Is it possible to unlock spells/talents for heroes using real money? Or are they all automatically unlocked?
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On March 15 2014 01:44 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 01:20 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 01:13 Redox wrote:On March 15 2014 01:04 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 01:00 Redox wrote:On March 14 2014 22:58 Sufinsil wrote:On March 14 2014 22:14 deth wrote:
Played a few games, was bored the entire time. Just not my cup of tea, would much rather engage in the complexity and competitive nature of dota/LoL.
Seems as though blizzard is moving away from competitive esports into the arena of casual games, so while I won't be playing any of them I wish them luck. It can be a eSport just like any other game. The community will make it into one if they so feel to do so. Much like Hearthstone. That was probably the most fail comparison you could have brought. How could anyone consider Hearthstone an esport? I really hope HoS has more potential than Hearthstone in that regard. People make good money playing Hearthstone professionally, regardless of how deep you think the game is (it isn't). It has tournaments as big as your average SC2 major. It's an esport as much as anything. Do you follow the scene? Yeah. First of all it is a card game. If it is an esport, then poker or bridge are esports. Then it doesnt offer enough to be truly competetive. Luck is way too important. Which is why tournaments are not open tournaments. It is the same known players duking it out against each other, so that viwers get the illusion these players are actually the best or something. In open tournaments with many participants like in sc2 or whatever you would see someone else winning every time. People wacthing it doesnt make it a sport automatically. Otherwise pro wrestling would be a sport. 1. Because the "e" in esports stands for "eh let's just say all video games that don't involve cards". 2. How many SC2 tournament were open bracket and not invite-only in 2010 when it came out? Hell even TSL3 was invitational. A young scene requires popular faces to grow it. 3. Pro wrestling is scripted. Unless Vince Mcmahon is secretly ordering each HS deck for maximum personal drama, who are you and where were you educated to formulate a coherent argument? Please sue them. 1. I dont see a fundamental difference between Hearthstone and other card games which would soemhow make this one "e". Poker is also mainly played on PC. Noone has called it an esport afaik. Was MTG ever called esport? I have no idea. 2. There were quite a few, like go4sc2 but also many others. Invites to stuff like kings of beta was based on that. People became known by being (repeatedly) succesful in open tournamnets, not just by being streamers or having the right friends. Even if it was different, obviously there will never be a tournament scene in hs like in sc2. Simply because of the random nature of the game, which means that you would have different people winnign every time. 3. No need to get personal. And did I directly compare hs and pro wrestlign anywhere? Nope. I just said "People wacthing it doesnt make it a sport automatically. Otherwise pro wrestling would be a sport." Which is a simple truth. It just counters the argument that people following it would make it one. The competetive aspect is another important criterium besides following. Anyway I did not want to shit on hs. I think its a nice game and I play it a lot myself (like 3k games). My initial point was just that comparing the competetive aspect of HotS to hs doesnt do the former any favors, and I hope it exceeds that.
1. No really, what does the "e" stand for? It's a video game played competitively for money broadcasted to a viewing audience. This isn't true for poker or MtG.
2, Do you follow the scene? It's not surprising that you didn't answer it because StrifeCro is basically regarded as #1 and is winning mostly everything.
3. You brought up Pro Wrestling in a post where you were talking about Hearthstone. So yes, you did compare them implicitly. It's pretty hard to argue with you when you literally don't have any idea what you're writing down.
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you can unlock all heroes with free points right? can't tell from the way people are whining.
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