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On March 14 2014 13:47 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 13:42 Cheren wrote:On March 14 2014 13:33 hariooo wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:On March 14 2014 12:57 Cheap0 wrote:
I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread who say that this looks like a LoL clone have never played a single game of LoL. I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. Literally every skill has a LoL or DOTA equivalent so far (I've seen Jarvis skills, Lux ulti, Ahri nukes, Demon Hunter is almsot exactly Vayne, etc.). Not that a game has to innovate to be successful but give credit where it's due. HotS simply copied pasted most of its design. It's also visually indistinguishable from League. It's not really a death knell for the game but it's hardly arguable. On March 14 2014 13:32 FeyFey wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:On March 14 2014 12:57 Cheap0 wrote:
I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread who say that this looks like a LoL clone have never played a single game of LoL. I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. and its safe to assume Dota2 probably looks like a LoL clone to them as well. But experts like this is what makes game threads fun to read. Either way I can play the MountainKing, better not have Lich kings on my team though, never forget never forgive. Except DOTA looks and plays nothing like LoL. Weren't a fair amount of Dota skills taken from WC3 anyway? Yep. That's true. WC3 was a pioneer in many respects. I just saw Caitlyn ulti. This game isn't LoL but you can't really blame anyone for thinking it looks a lot like it after they see a dozen LoL skills from watching half an hour of a stream. Not to mention teamfights have the same structure.
And Caitlyn ult was stolen from dota anyways.
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not to get in the way of the who-stole-what argument but are people having fun playing? i've played about 10 games, it's been pretty enjoyable.
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On March 14 2014 14:02 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 13:47 hariooo wrote:On March 14 2014 13:42 Cheren wrote:On March 14 2014 13:33 hariooo wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:On March 14 2014 12:57 Cheap0 wrote:
I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread who say that this looks like a LoL clone have never played a single game of LoL. I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. Literally every skill has a LoL or DOTA equivalent so far (I've seen Jarvis skills, Lux ulti, Ahri nukes, Demon Hunter is almsot exactly Vayne, etc.). Not that a game has to innovate to be successful but give credit where it's due. HotS simply copied pasted most of its design. It's also visually indistinguishable from League. It's not really a death knell for the game but it's hardly arguable. On March 14 2014 13:32 FeyFey wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:On March 14 2014 12:57 Cheap0 wrote:
I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread who say that this looks like a LoL clone have never played a single game of LoL. I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. and its safe to assume Dota2 probably looks like a LoL clone to them as well. But experts like this is what makes game threads fun to read. Either way I can play the MountainKing, better not have Lich kings on my team though, never forget never forgive. Except DOTA looks and plays nothing like LoL. Weren't a fair amount of Dota skills taken from WC3 anyway? Yep. That's true. WC3 was a pioneer in many respects. I just saw Caitlyn ulti. This game isn't LoL but you can't really blame anyone for thinking it looks a lot like it after they see a dozen LoL skills from watching half an hour of a stream. Not to mention teamfights have the same structure. And Caitlyn ult was stolen from dota anyways.
And the idea of Dota was taken from Aeon of Storms.
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On March 14 2014 14:08 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 14:02 Jaaaaasper wrote:On March 14 2014 13:47 hariooo wrote:On March 14 2014 13:42 Cheren wrote:On March 14 2014 13:33 hariooo wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:On March 14 2014 12:57 Cheap0 wrote:
I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread who say that this looks like a LoL clone have never played a single game of LoL. I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. Literally every skill has a LoL or DOTA equivalent so far (I've seen Jarvis skills, Lux ulti, Ahri nukes, Demon Hunter is almsot exactly Vayne, etc.). Not that a game has to innovate to be successful but give credit where it's due. HotS simply copied pasted most of its design. It's also visually indistinguishable from League. It's not really a death knell for the game but it's hardly arguable. On March 14 2014 13:32 FeyFey wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:On March 14 2014 12:57 Cheap0 wrote:
I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread who say that this looks like a LoL clone have never played a single game of LoL. I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. and its safe to assume Dota2 probably looks like a LoL clone to them as well. But experts like this is what makes game threads fun to read. Either way I can play the MountainKing, better not have Lich kings on my team though, never forget never forgive. Except DOTA looks and plays nothing like LoL. Weren't a fair amount of Dota skills taken from WC3 anyway? Yep. That's true. WC3 was a pioneer in many respects. I just saw Caitlyn ulti. This game isn't LoL but you can't really blame anyone for thinking it looks a lot like it after they see a dozen LoL skills from watching half an hour of a stream. Not to mention teamfights have the same structure. And Caitlyn ult was stolen from dota anyways. And the idea of Dota was taken from Aeon of Storms.
Aeon of Strife noob.
How dare you screw up your SC lore.
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On March 14 2014 14:04 chobopeon wrote:
not to get in the way of the who-stole-what argument but are people having fun playing? i've played about 10 games, it's been pretty enjoyable.
I hope they expand the player base faster than Hearthstone, I'm enjoying watching but not really much more than any other game, and if Hearthstone beta is any indication I'll only be watching the next few months.
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On March 14 2014 14:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 14:08 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 14:02 Jaaaaasper wrote:On March 14 2014 13:47 hariooo wrote:On March 14 2014 13:42 Cheren wrote:On March 14 2014 13:33 hariooo wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:On March 14 2014 12:57 Cheap0 wrote:
I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread who say that this looks like a LoL clone have never played a single game of LoL. I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. Literally every skill has a LoL or DOTA equivalent so far (I've seen Jarvis skills, Lux ulti, Ahri nukes, Demon Hunter is almsot exactly Vayne, etc.). Not that a game has to innovate to be successful but give credit where it's due. HotS simply copied pasted most of its design. It's also visually indistinguishable from League. It's not really a death knell for the game but it's hardly arguable. On March 14 2014 13:32 FeyFey wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:On March 14 2014 12:57 Cheap0 wrote:
I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread who say that this looks like a LoL clone have never played a single game of LoL. I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. and its safe to assume Dota2 probably looks like a LoL clone to them as well. But experts like this is what makes game threads fun to read. Either way I can play the MountainKing, better not have Lich kings on my team though, never forget never forgive. Except DOTA looks and plays nothing like LoL. Weren't a fair amount of Dota skills taken from WC3 anyway? Yep. That's true. WC3 was a pioneer in many respects. I just saw Caitlyn ulti. This game isn't LoL but you can't really blame anyone for thinking it looks a lot like it after they see a dozen LoL skills from watching half an hour of a stream. Not to mention teamfights have the same structure. And Caitlyn ult was stolen from dota anyways. And the idea of Dota was taken from Aeon of Storms. Aeon of Strife noob. How dare you screw up your SC lore.
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I watched a stream
Is this even a game? Its just.. There's nothing there.
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On March 14 2014 14:17 Shaella wrote:
I watched a stream
Is this even a game? Its just.. There's nothing there.
It's a technical alpha...
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I have watched couple of streamers(Hafu,reynad) for few hours and after the initial excitement went away, this game is kinda meh. The more I learn about the game, the less interesting it seems.
It really lacks depth.
It is basically capture objective,defeat mercenary minions,go mines and get skulls,5 man push to get fort and end game.
Basically the same thing every game.
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On March 14 2014 14:13 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 14:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 14 2014 14:08 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 14:02 Jaaaaasper wrote:On March 14 2014 13:47 hariooo wrote:On March 14 2014 13:42 Cheren wrote:On March 14 2014 13:33 hariooo wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:On March 14 2014 12:57 Cheap0 wrote:
I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread who say that this looks like a LoL clone have never played a single game of LoL. I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. Literally every skill has a LoL or DOTA equivalent so far (I've seen Jarvis skills, Lux ulti, Ahri nukes, Demon Hunter is almsot exactly Vayne, etc.). Not that a game has to innovate to be successful but give credit where it's due. HotS simply copied pasted most of its design. It's also visually indistinguishable from League. It's not really a death knell for the game but it's hardly arguable. On March 14 2014 13:32 FeyFey wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:On March 14 2014 12:57 Cheap0 wrote:
I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread who say that this looks like a LoL clone have never played a single game of LoL. I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. and its safe to assume Dota2 probably looks like a LoL clone to them as well. But experts like this is what makes game threads fun to read. Either way I can play the MountainKing, better not have Lich kings on my team though, never forget never forgive. Except DOTA looks and plays nothing like LoL. Weren't a fair amount of Dota skills taken from WC3 anyway? Yep. That's true. WC3 was a pioneer in many respects. I just saw Caitlyn ulti. This game isn't LoL but you can't really blame anyone for thinking it looks a lot like it after they see a dozen LoL skills from watching half an hour of a stream. Not to mention teamfights have the same structure. And Caitlyn ult was stolen from dota anyways. And the idea of Dota was taken from Aeon of Storms. Aeon of Strife noob. How dare you screw up your SC lore. Whatever
nostalgic
Aeon of Strife was 1 of my favourite custom maps
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On March 14 2014 14:22 mythandier wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 14:17 Shaella wrote:
I watched a stream
Is this even a game? Its just.. There's nothing there. It's a technical alpha...
"technical alpha"
First they sold us betas, then they sold us Alphas...
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so my first experience with the game is idra streaming. is the game good, bad, positive, negative, neutral?
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500 gold per level and it can cost up to 10000 gold for some heroes? Oh my.
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It is like comparing sc2 to bw. sc2 is said to be an easier game but it is harder to win consistently.
These games are fast, which is the main thing for me. You can glorify other games for their layered learning curve, but games are games. People are just to use to something and forget to look at things a different way. This game is to the point and I got my hopes for it (mostly because of its map-making capabilities though..)
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Basic game mechanics aren't interesting. Defeat mercenaries, capture the flag for Dragon Knight, etc. They are old and boring. Also combat isn't really exciting. Spells deal little to no damage...
But what i really want to emphasize is heroes.. Lets take a look.
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Q Penetrating Round Skillshot
Cooldown: 12 seconds
Fires a high powered round that deals 85 damage and knocks away all enemies.
W Inspire Cooldown: 12 seconds
Raynor buffs himself for 20% bonus move and attack speed for 8 seconds. Nearby allies gain half of this bonus while near Raynor.
R Hyperion Heroic Ability
Cooldown: 120 seconds
The Hyperion slowly travels forward, dealing 100 damage per second to a random enemy target in its path.
R Raynor's Raiders Heroic Ability
Cooldown: 100 seconds
Summons two cloaked Banshees that follow Raynor for a short time and attack what he attacks. The Banshees attack for 12 damage.
E Adrenaline Rush Passive
Automatically activates to heal Raynor for 160 when he is below 30% health. Can only occur once every 45 seconds.
These are Raynor's skills. None of these skills are exciting.
Q: Damage,
W: Speed bonus,
R: AOE damage (well actually i kinda liked hyperion)
R: Damage
E: Stolen from Abaddon's ult :D
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Q Holy Light Cooldown: 12 seconds
Heals an allied target for 150 health.
Q Holy Light Cooldown: 10 seconds
Heals an allied taget for 150 health, or deals 75 damage to an enemy.
W Holy Radiance Cooldown: 12 seconds
Deals 50 damage to enemies in a line, and heals any ally it touches for 80 health.
E Hammer of Justice Cooldown: 8 seconds
Deals 50 damage and stuns the target for 1 second.
R Divine Shield Heroic Ability
Cooldown: 120 seconds
Makes the target ally invulnerable and increases their movement speed by 20% for 3 seconds.
R Divine Storm Heroic Ability
Cooldown: 45 seconds
Deals 100 damage and stuns nearby enemies for 1.5 seconds. Uther heals himself for 15 health for each enemy hit by Divine Storm.
These are uther's spells.
Q: Heal/Damage
W: Heal. But can be fun
E: Stun
R: Invulnerability
R: AoE damage, stun. But it can heal too. It can be funny.
If you spend some time to look other heroes same thing applies to most of heroes too. Damage, stun, heal. Abathur is kinda unique. When we look dota, all heroes except Sniper and Leoric have very unique skills, very unique comboes. I'm not saying every hero should have 9 spells like invoker or need fast fingers for comboes(Earth spirit.. I'm looking at you.)But HotS skills are boring, dumbed down.
One more thing. Blizz never learn how to make good AI. For gods sake we waited 3 years to get good chat channels, clans etc. in SC. Now socialization aspect of Hearthstone is gone. Hearth of the storm sucks too... Chat channels are smaller then my watch. Pff They should rework it ASAP!
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On March 14 2014 14:30 EEhantiming wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 14:13 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 14:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 14 2014 14:08 Disengaged wrote:On March 14 2014 14:02 Jaaaaasper wrote:On March 14 2014 13:47 hariooo wrote:On March 14 2014 13:42 Cheren wrote:On March 14 2014 13:33 hariooo wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:On March 14 2014 12:57 Cheap0 wrote:
I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread who say that this looks like a LoL clone have never played a single game of LoL. I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. Literally every skill has a LoL or DOTA equivalent so far (I've seen Jarvis skills, Lux ulti, Ahri nukes, Demon Hunter is almsot exactly Vayne, etc.). Not that a game has to innovate to be successful but give credit where it's due. HotS simply copied pasted most of its design. It's also visually indistinguishable from League. It's not really a death knell for the game but it's hardly arguable. On March 14 2014 13:32 FeyFey wrote:On March 14 2014 13:22 Unattended Cake wrote:
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I'd say that bet is in everyone else's favor. A lot of people have given it a shot at one point or another. I don't see what you're actually defending though, if people say it looks like a League clone to them, then it looks like a League clone to them. and its safe to assume Dota2 probably looks like a LoL clone to them as well. But experts like this is what makes game threads fun to read. Either way I can play the MountainKing, better not have Lich kings on my team though, never forget never forgive. Except DOTA looks and plays nothing like LoL. Weren't a fair amount of Dota skills taken from WC3 anyway? Yep. That's true. WC3 was a pioneer in many respects. I just saw Caitlyn ulti. This game isn't LoL but you can't really blame anyone for thinking it looks a lot like it after they see a dozen LoL skills from watching half an hour of a stream. Not to mention teamfights have the same structure. And Caitlyn ult was stolen from dota anyways. And the idea of Dota was taken from Aeon of Storms. Aeon of Strife noob. How dare you screw up your SC lore. Whatever nostalgic Aeon of Strife was 1 of my favourite custom maps
What about TEMPLE SIEGE?!
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On March 14 2014 15:28 Lokian wrote:
It is like comparing sc2 to bw. sc2 is said to be an easier game but it is harder to win consistently.
These games are fast, which is the main thing for me. You can glorify other games for their layered learning curve, but games are games. People are just to use to something and forget to look at things a different way. This game is to the point and I got my hopes for it (mostly because of its map-making capabilities though..)
arguably inability to win consistently just means the game doesn't have enough room for mechanical/strategy edge for a team/player to pull ahead of everyone. BW was a better game than SC2.
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The thing is, bw had some mechanical limitations that made it difficult for people to be good at the game, but they were limitations that were uninteresting and can be compared to playing with one hand instead of two. I don't believe in those kind of limitations.
Strategy is comparable in sc2 and bw...
And with this game, there's definitely more strategies due to more objectives, it's pretty straight forward in that regard. As for the meta being stale, people just started playing this game so that's a very early claim. meta game can take a long time to figure out, or not.
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On March 14 2014 15:50 Lokian wrote:
The thing is, bw had some mechanical limitations that made it difficult for people to be good at the game, but they were limitations that were uninteresting and can be compared to playing with one hand instead of two. I don't believe in those kind of limitations.
Strategy is comparable in sc2 and bw...
And with this game, there's definitely more strategies due to more objectives, it's pretty straight forward in that regard. As for the meta being stale, people just started playing this game so that's a very early claim. meta game can take a long time to figure out, or not.
Well fixing the mechanical limitations led to things like Psi Storm from drenching fangirls' panties into the boring ticklefest they are now.
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On March 14 2014 15:50 Lokian wrote:
The thing is, bw had some mechanical limitations that made it difficult for people to be good at the game, but they were limitations that were uninteresting and can be compared to playing with one hand instead of two. I don't believe in those kind of limitations.
Strategy is comparable in sc2 and bw...
And with this game, there's definitely more strategies due to more objectives, it's pretty straight forward in that regard. As for the meta being stale, people just started playing this game so that's a very early claim. meta game can take a long time to figure out, or not.
You are right BW strategy totally dead ended in unbeatable comps like how before in ZvP Infestor/Brood Lord was unbeatable and now how Swarm Hosts are the only way Zerg can deal with late game Protoss which now is forced to go Tempests to beat mass Swarm Host.
ALL THIS STRATEGY AND VARIETY SC2 GAVE US
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