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Hellonslaught
Brazil0 Posts
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Immersion_
United Kingdom794 Posts
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kaztah
Norway1221 Posts
On February 05 2015 04:44 Wuster wrote: So on the topic of Zeratul and since he's free this week I've been trying him out. He just doesn't feel like he can stand up in a duel early on and has to pick off overextended / preoccupied heroes. Is this right? Or am I wrong and he can actually get in there and kill a Valla or Rehgar right off the bat? Late game he seems to be about using wormhole to blink offensively to burst something down and getting back out asap. But then I have to rely on the team to secure the kill? Or do I just need to pick my targets better at this phase of the game? I'm very bad at assassins (especially melee assassins) so rather than muddle through another frustrating week I figure I'll ask some advice instead. You should roam early game and join fights with +1 person. You can burst quite a lot, but not enough for 100-0. Then you can just run away and let others clean up. You're pretty shit at straight up fighting. Also the hero scales with levels and gets really strong in the later stages of the game. At that time you can 100-0 with decent play and escape with wormholes. He's mostly a finesse hero, because you have to roam the edges of fights and play it smart. Knowing when to go in and on who to attack is like 70% of the hero. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On February 05 2015 05:32 Random() wrote: People's obsession with tier lists in this game is very worrying because it indicates that people tend to think that one hero can be strictly better than another in a given role. There seem to be very few situational or counter- picks. Hopefully this will get better with more heroes, otherwise the game will become stale too quickly. Most people play on quick match, where counterpicks and situational picks are a moot point. That said, I mostly just pick to have fun unless I'm queuing with a group. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Garsecg
United States129 Posts
WATER DRAGON HUSTLE 1. Gale Force (Increases Blinding Wind damage by 50%) 4. Mass Vortex (Increase number of cyclones from 2 to 4) 7. Pitch Perfect (After casting healing brew, it's cost is reduced by 10 mana for 6 seconds) 10.Water Dragon (key points: 45 second cooldown, 70% slow, low-moderate damage) 13.Surging Winds (20% ability power for each cyclone hit) 16.Herbal Cleanse (Clear all roots/silences etc. and gain 20% move speed) 20. Kung-Fu Hustle (Cooldowns regenerate THREE TIMES AS FAST while fast feet is active) Okay, so I don't have any numbers on this, but here's how it works. Up to level 20, you play pretty conservatively. You heal your team when you can, push lanes, and help out to the best of your ability. Once you hit level 20, you become a demon. You cannot press the "Q" button faster than the GCD will allow you. All roots and effects on you are cleared with herbal cleanse every second. You move very fast. Water Dragon is cast twice every fight, if not three times, and when the enemy team is slowed down to 30% move speed for four seconds, it's very, very easy to survive. Even in the middle stages of the game, I find water dragon to be very powerful. If there is another support on the team, I think lili as an offensive option is EXTREMELY good. The main drawback of the build is you give up mana regeneration to be deadlier. I think that's okay. 30-60 seconds of this Lili is very, very powerful. And if it's 30 seconds, that means the enemy is focusing you, and you absorb all the damage WHILE doing damage, making it worthwhile. Pitch perfect helps alleviate the cost from spamming the heal. You never cast her serpent really. I also find blinding wind, by hitting four targets and prioritizing heroes every time, is also very helpful as far as survivability goes. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
I did have more success playing Zeratul as I started to be more cautious early and realizing he scales stupidly well. He definitely feels like a high skill cap hero. Other heroes are high skill cap but don't feel like it so it isn't obvious how you should be getting better. Every game with Zeratul there are lots of moments where I go 'I was supposed to...' At least It sounds like I'm on the right track, just gotta keep working on Void Prison placements. Also a Zuna update. He's streaming today wearing a Cloud 9 shirt (and all the Cloud 9 stuff all over the page is still there). So I guess Cloud 9 is looking to have 3 teams? Or he's just running out whatever agreement he has with them? If someone wants to go into his channel to get clarification he generally answers viewer questions. | ||
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kaztah
Norway1221 Posts
On February 05 2015 05:53 Wuster wrote: Thanks for the advice. I did have more success playing Zeratul as I started to be more cautious early and realizing he scales stupidly well. He definitely feels like a high skill cap hero. Other heroes are high skill cap but don't feel like it so it isn't obvious how you should be getting better. Every game with Zeratul there are lots of moments where I go 'I was supposed to...' At least It sounds like I'm on the right track, just gotta keep working on Void Prison placements. Also a Zuna update. He's streaming today wearing a Cloud 9 shirt (and all the Cloud 9 stuff all over the page is still there). So I guess Cloud 9 is looking to have 3 teams? Or he's just running out whatever agreement he has with them? If someone wants to go into his channel to get clarification he generally answers viewer questions. Yeah this is kinda what makes zeratul interesting. You can be a player without having to rely on your team too much, so you can singlehandely win games in the lower brackets. The later the better. Especially if you play smart and conserve your gathering power stacks. With that you kill like everything. You're also really strong on mines/coins, since one cleave 1 shots the small objective creeps. I pretty much only play him and Illidan. I feel they're the most interesting when it comes to timings and positional awareness. They're both really fragile, yet extremely strong in the right circumstances. Not the same as the boring strong heroes, like Valla and Stitches. | ||
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sushiko
197 Posts
On February 05 2015 01:51 TKSaga wrote: Is there a tier list of best to worst heroes? I know this is a lost crusade, but can we please stop listing/asking for tier lists? Besides a few heroes that are definitely in need of reworks such as diablo/sonya (and are being reworked by blizz), every hero is viable. So unless you're playing at the top end where playing the "top picks"/current meta matters, the tier list is absolutely meaningless. Pick a hero you enjoy, not because it has the highest winrate in hotslogs. Tier list right now is just stagnating play across all levels when it doesn't have to be. Looking at bronze league hotslogs, the top played heroes corresponds to most tier lists, but winrates are all over the place. The only hero that is consistently most picked + highest winrate is stitches, which is sorta funny as coming from dota, pudges are usually also the most picked but also sub 50% winrate... | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On February 05 2015 08:48 sushiko wrote: I know this is a lost crusade, but can we please stop listing/asking for tier lists? Besides a few heroes that are definitely in need of reworks such as diablo/sonya (and are being reworked by blizz), every hero is viable. So unless you're playing at the top end where playing the "top picks"/current meta matters, the tier list is absolutely meaningless. Pick a hero you enjoy, not because it has the highest winrate in hotslogs. Tier list right now is just stagnating play across all levels when it doesn't have to be. Looking at bronze league hotslogs, the top played heroes corresponds to most tier lists, but winrates are all over the place. The only hero that is consistently most picked + highest winrate is stitches, which is sorta funny as coming from dota, pudges are usually also the most picked but also sub 50% winrate... That's because Pudge has no armor and kills himself with rot. He's very vulnerable. You really need to be careful with your initiation because too often it's hook someone -> get owned by them. Stitches on the other hand is super tanky, has a nice heal and deals good damage by himself. You just can't go wrong. Which is IMO why these tier lists exist. In Dota every hero has a weakness that can be exploited, while in HotS some heroes (like Stitches or Tychus) are just too good all around. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On February 05 2015 09:32 SupLilSon wrote: Are there any reliable ways of getting the beta besides through a friend or just waiting for one yourself? I just realized I forgot to check this on my beta watch list or w/e... You can buy beta access. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
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sushiko
197 Posts
On February 05 2015 12:02 [SXG]Phantom wrote: Ranked is getting worse and worse for me, now when someone cant play the hero they want/their comp is not the best, they leave the draft <.< aren't the penalties strong enough? or do people just don't care? Wait doesn't the match cancel? I recall that one match got cancelled and never went past picks when someone left. Hasn't really happened to me except for that one time and didn't really think anything of it. If anything you dodged a bullet because playing with a guy who can only play 1 hero tends to be a guy you don't want to play with anyways. (Selfish/narcissistic/full of bs) And tier lists shouldn't exist... Stitches is the only hero I've found to be consistently stronger based off hotslogs across all levels, so expect some kind of nerf soon. Honestly if you can't find ways to exploit each heroes play style then the tier list is here for you, along with the builds all laid out. What I would rather hear is the term flavor of the month, as it's much more accurate, doesn't attribute any sort of op or underpowered connotations. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On February 05 2015 13:48 xDaunt wrote: Seriously, I need to know wtf Blizzard did to the matchmaking. I get stuck with people who have no business being in a game with me practically every game. I've had one game over the past week where there were genuinely competent people on both sides. It was NEVER like this before the Beta. Matchmaking has always been awful, but the average skill level plummeted when they allowed people to buy in. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On February 05 2015 13:48 xDaunt wrote: Seriously, I need to know wtf Blizzard did to the matchmaking. I get stuck with people who have no business being in a game with me practically every game. I've had one game over the past week where there were genuinely competent people on both sides. It was NEVER like this before the Beta. Pretty sure there was some wonky matchmaking in alpha at certain phases. I remember it was good at one point with the same top players matching with each other every game, and then after one reset it was never the same. But there were long stretches of alpha I didn't play. Did you play all of alpha? I think people thought it was happening because the system "punishes" group queues by boosting their MMR. The justification is that groups have a better chance at being coordinated and they know each other's picks. So they should be able to perform better than their average MMR. So high MMR solo queue players were getting in weird games with players on both sides being pretty horrible because those players weren't solo queuing. And even if there is no artificial MMR boost for groups, high MMR players can still group with newbs and drag them into your games. You should ask people if they solo queued. If it's all solo queue, then yeah it's pretty weird and broken. I've noticed the same thing, though I haven't had a chance to get top MMR again since the last reset. I get a game full of competent players about 1/4 or 1/3 of the time. | ||
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TiberiusAk
United States122 Posts
That's the most reliable way. If you want a more likely one than friend/waiting, Blizzard seems to be giving streamers lots of keys to give away. After I noticed Khaldor was giving away some periodically one morning, I camped twitch streams off and on throughout the day for key giveaways and got one by the end of the day. Look for streams with giveaway in their title, low viewer count, and especially listen out for non-random key contests (I answered a trivia question to win mine). Come to think of it, I got my hearthstone beta key off of watching twitch too. | ||
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