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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 03:42:03
January 09 2015 03:36 GMT
#4981
On January 09 2015 12:26 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 11:05 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:

I think GoT needs to be retuned, it's so boring and long. My least enjoyed map.


I think this has more to do with people not knowing how to utilize the garden terror properly than poor map design.

What is the best way? Seems a lot less straightforward than Dragon Knight.


How is it less straight forward than the dragon knight? The Garden Terror is basically the dragon knight 2.0 since it has aoe CC and the plant. You shouldn't be doing vastly different things with them.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 09 2015 03:40 GMT
#4982
On January 09 2015 11:05 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 09:34 xDaunt wrote:
On January 09 2015 09:21 fezvez wrote:
I am a bit sad that the games tend to last longer than what was advertised in my memory. Typically, a game last for me between 22 and 32 minutes, so 27 minutes on average (checked when I uploaded my replays to hotslogs). I have the memory that we were supposed to play for 15-20 minutes, but these cases are exceedingly rare, often because of a one sided stomp.

Perhaps it's because I soloQ, and we are not as efficient for taking down forts. The good thing is that I still have fun, but when my wife asked when the game will end, I used to underestimate the remaining time. Well, it's still much better than Dota 2.

Edit : Damn, just checked Hotslogs, and the average time is around 23 minutes. I must play very defensive...

I mostly solo queue, too, and my average game time is around 23 minutes. I get in far less trouble with my wife when I play this as opposed to LoL.


That is because whenever I'm waiting for you to finish you end up playing a 35+ minute game.

Carrying solo queue newbs is hard (often backbreaking) work!
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
January 09 2015 17:15 GMT
#4983
On January 08 2015 12:54 Brian333 wrote:
is too limited right now for such match-making because we are in alpha.

5. Lots of cheap heroes puts more stress on Blizzard to release heroes quickly otherwise people will run out of things to spend gold on. The entire point of a F2P model is for that threshold to be hard to achieve. Even as is, you make around ~14k gold a month casually. Assuming Blizzard releases one max price hero a month, you will earn enough gold to eventually buy every hero but it will take time. If the max hero price was lower, people would complete their rosters much faster and there would be less incentive to play the game as much. If the max hero price is lower but Blizzard makes up for it by releasing more heroes, that just means they exponentially increase their own workload and risk compromising the quality of the heroes.


By that logic, no one would play dota because all heroes are unlocked.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 09 2015 17:17 GMT
#4984
On January 09 2015 09:34 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 09:21 fezvez wrote:
I am a bit sad that the games tend to last longer than what was advertised in my memory. Typically, a game last for me between 22 and 32 minutes, so 27 minutes on average (checked when I uploaded my replays to hotslogs). I have the memory that we were supposed to play for 15-20 minutes, but these cases are exceedingly rare, often because of a one sided stomp.

Perhaps it's because I soloQ, and we are not as efficient for taking down forts. The good thing is that I still have fun, but when my wife asked when the game will end, I used to underestimate the remaining time. Well, it's still much better than Dota 2.

Edit : Damn, just checked Hotslogs, and the average time is around 23 minutes. I must play very defensive...

I mostly solo queue, too, and my average game time is around 23 minutes. I get in far less trouble with my wife when I play this as opposed to LoL.

Glad to see some others in similar situations agreed.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4208 Posts
January 09 2015 17:47 GMT
#4985
Something I thought was interesting, was that the client says over 22k games are being played (at that time), So, that would mean there's between 110k (assuming conservativly everyone is playing co-op) and 220k (assuming everyone is playing versus.

Is that right? That seems way more that I would think, especially for an alpha.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 09 2015 18:17 GMT
#4986
On January 10 2015 02:47 lestye wrote:
Something I thought was interesting, was that the client says over 22k games are being played (at that time), So, that would mean there's between 110k (assuming conservativly everyone is playing co-op) and 220k (assuming everyone is playing versus.

Is that right? That seems way more that I would think, especially for an alpha.

Hotslogs has about 80,000 players in its database.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
January 09 2015 19:01 GMT
#4987
On January 10 2015 03:17 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 02:47 lestye wrote:
Something I thought was interesting, was that the client says over 22k games are being played (at that time), So, that would mean there's between 110k (assuming conservativly everyone is playing co-op) and 220k (assuming everyone is playing versus.

Is that right? That seems way more that I would think, especially for an alpha.

Hotslogs has about 80,000 players in its database.


Pretty sure that's just NA.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
January 09 2015 19:04 GMT
#4988
No its probably global, however, a lot of people don't even know that hotslogs exist, and i guess at lower leagues there is a good chance of people never appearing on hotslogs casuse they play very casually and are on the lower leagues. I would trust battle.net more than hotslogs. However, from experience i know that there are tons of players that only play coop, and some don't even know that versus exist lol.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 19:15:21
January 09 2015 19:13 GMT
#4989
Just added up real quick, 73,702 people on NA in hotslogs.

Edit: 14k in CN Bronze, 62k in bronze in EU, 12.5k in KOR bronze, don't feel like adding up the rest.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 09 2015 19:30 GMT
#4990
On January 10 2015 04:04 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
No its probably global, however, a lot of people don't even know that hotslogs exist, and i guess at lower leagues there is a good chance of people never appearing on hotslogs casuse they play very casually and are on the lower leagues. I would trust battle.net more than hotslogs. However, from experience i know that there are tons of players that only play coop, and some don't even know that versus exist lol.

I wouldn't expect hotslogs to be comprehensive given that it's a voluntary thing. Still, it probably has captured most players one way or another.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 09 2015 19:51 GMT
#4991
Just out of curiosity, who do y'all think are the best heroes right now? The heroes that I most hate seeing on the other team are Uther, Brightwing, Abathur, and Chen.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 20:26:00
January 09 2015 20:25 GMT
#4992
Per role?

I think chen is the best tank, then arthas and stiches.
Suports: Reghar and Brightwing and uther
DPS:Thycus and valla.
Specialist:Nazeebo and hammer
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 09 2015 20:28 GMT
#4993
I really, really need to learn how to play modern BW. I still play her the old way only I take Gust instead of Rains at 7. I feel like the only BW I ever see take blink heal anymore.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 20:38:58
January 09 2015 20:35 GMT
#4994
On January 10 2015 05:25 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Per role?

I think chen is the best tank, then arthas and stiches.
Suports: Reghar and Brightwing and uther
DPS:Thycus and valla.
Specialist:Nazeebo and hammer

Not necessarily per role. I'm just talking about best heroes period -- ie the ones that seem to often win games for their teams. The four that I listed are the ones that seem to carry their teams the most and cause my teams the most problems on a consistent basis, which suggests to me that they are very strong heroes overall.

On January 10 2015 05:28 Tenks wrote:
I really, really need to learn how to play modern BW. I still play her the old way only I take Gust instead of Rains at 7. I feel like the only BW I ever see take blink heal anymore.


I see a lot of EW BW's at Masters level. I tend to think that it's the better skill overall for its teamfight potential.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 20:38:16
January 09 2015 20:37 GMT
#4995
As far as competitive play (in no particular order):

Assassin's: Valla, Tychus, Falstad, Kerrigan, Zeratul, Illidan,

Warriors: Chen, Arthas, Stitches, Muradin

Support: Brightwing, Uther

Specalists: Nazeebo, Zagara, Sgt Hammer

Pretty much that's every top tier pick in comp play atm.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 20:54:13
January 09 2015 20:53 GMT
#4996
Diamond, do you feel any of those particular heroes needs to be nerfed? or do you think the other heroes that aren't "competitive" should be buffed?
Or maybe some need nerfs and some buffs?
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 09 2015 20:57 GMT
#4997
Not that I disagree that those are typical competitive picks, but listing half of the HotS roster isn't exactly responsive to my question of "who are here best."
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 21:00:48
January 09 2015 20:58 GMT
#4998
Buffs 100% imo. Ofc there is some things that need nerfs (why does Arthas still have envenom?), but buffs I think would be better. Been a cpl patches now of large scale nerfs, ugh.

On January 10 2015 05:57 xDaunt wrote:
Not that I disagree that those are typical competitive picks, but listing half of the HotS roster isn't exactly responsive to my question of "who are here best."


There is no "best". Very much depends on the comp. Zeratul is strong as shit but he's awful in comps with double ADC, Arthas is "better" than Chen but there is a variety of reasons I would pick chen over Arthas in some situations (ex: vs Raynor), etc.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
January 09 2015 21:10 GMT
#4999
On January 10 2015 02:47 lestye wrote:
Something I thought was interesting, was that the client says over 22k games are being played (at that time), So, that would mean there's between 110k (assuming conservativly everyone is playing co-op) and 220k (assuming everyone is playing versus.

Is that right? That seems way more that I would think, especially for an alpha.


As most people have noted, for a technical alpha the game feels remarkably complete. The biggest issues I have are flakey connections and the horrible reconnect options (which appears to be doing a real-time resume from replay which can take forever).
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 21:18:51
January 09 2015 21:16 GMT
#5000
I think chen's lvl 7 rooting flying kick is fucking bullshit. A tank shouldn't have a spammable gap closer that roots on a point and click ability (read: not a skillshot). His ult is also so damn strong and easy to use... why would you ever pick keg ? (a good ult tbh but the other one is just too damn strong)

An other thing that IMO shouldn't be possible is the brew spam to deplete tower ammo or to tank damage for days. You can just sit there and spam brew all day and get your shield, there should be some kind of limit or cooldown on this.

But the game is still alpha (at least for a few days :D) and I'm quite sure blizzard will fix at least one of these

Also I believe you forgot abathur in your list diamond still picked/banned in EU and for good reasons.


edit: Oh I forgot to flex my muscles, I'll add that I'm rank 47 on EU right now with Gazlowe as my most played champ. Don't follow tier lists, play what you like (unless you want to go pro, lol).
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