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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
August 20 2013 23:40 GMT
#521
http://www.twitch.tv/glidesc2
the MTG champ is live again, gogo everybody
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Gravesong
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 00:08:14
August 21 2013 00:07 GMT
#522
On August 21 2013 06:39 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 06:37 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:49 Godwrath wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:45 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:42 Godwrath wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:38 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:32 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:26 Godwrath wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:24 RagequitBM wrote:
The thing that makes me cringe most about hearthstone, is all the backseat gamers in twitch chat. Normally twitch chat is the funniest thing in the world, in hearthstone streams, it's people who don't even know what the cards do trying to tell the streamer what to do.

What ? Twitch streams had always been that way.

On August 21 2013 03:58 jrkirby wrote:
[quote]
Well fuck. The only part of this that isn't pay to win isn't free to play. I guess hearthstone just isn't for me then.


It's also my feeling. Specially since playing arenas is an format alien enough that you need to practice it to get good at it and i haven't seen a single streamer after day 1 get consistent wins again to fund themselves. Instead most just paid for boosters and are crushing the ranked games against sucky decks.


I know reckful got to at least 5 wins before he went offline from a ddos, he only had 1 loss too. Not sure if anyone has ever gotten higher. Didn't even get to see him unlock the chest.

You need 7 tho. And at that point, you are likely to be facing other people with 5/1 aswell .


Like a said in an earlier post. It's hearthstone gambling. You need 7wins to come out even, gold wise. But you can go to 9wins and get more than what you paid for. Also an fun way to play and learn the game.

Too bad you are unlikely to play it often if you don't pay anyways.


If I like gambling I will pay. Same idea applies if I wanted to go play blackjack next city over. Can't just play for free ffs. Even if I love playing it.

Maybe it baffles me because it is a F2P game. I don't understand why i can't point out how a game feature isn't F2P withouth someone getting pissed off, or calling me entlited or whatever. Specially when it is a CCG and ranked with the gold prices per booster packs is basically P2W. At the end is blizzard's decission, but let's call stuff for their name instead of running circles around or coming up with the extremely unlikely event for most people to go infinite just so some people can keep the hype bandanas covering their eyes.


F2P games don't get by being free. You gotta pay for something. This is a random feature that isn't tied to anything important. Ranked is free, the game is free. It's as P2W as any other TCG ever in the history of TCG. But this time you have the option of getting all the cards for free as long as you just keep playing, and having fun in the process.

I haven't paid a dime on LoL, and i have half the heroes and all the runes. And more importantly related to the topic, i can play whatever game mode i want withouth needing to pay or hope. By the way, i know the nature of CCGs already, i am speaking about game modes here, since drafting is the only not p2w way.

At this point, you would think blizzard had learned something from Riot.


Blizzard is going to find the mode that finds the balance between being easily accessible to play and being profitable. If they made it so the average person could go infinite on Arenas then they'd never make any money because everyone would be able to earn gold easily.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
August 21 2013 00:13 GMT
#523
We just need to just lift all these ppl and put them in magic and that's where they belong instead of just playing "blizz games"
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
August 21 2013 00:20 GMT
#524
On August 21 2013 09:07 Gravesong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 06:39 Godwrath wrote:
On August 21 2013 06:37 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:49 Godwrath wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:45 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:42 Godwrath wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:38 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:32 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 21 2013 05:26 Godwrath wrote:
[quote]
What ? Twitch streams had always been that way.

[quote]

It's also my feeling. Specially since playing arenas is an format alien enough that you need to practice it to get good at it and i haven't seen a single streamer after day 1 get consistent wins again to fund themselves. Instead most just paid for boosters and are crushing the ranked games against sucky decks.


I know reckful got to at least 5 wins before he went offline from a ddos, he only had 1 loss too. Not sure if anyone has ever gotten higher. Didn't even get to see him unlock the chest.

You need 7 tho. And at that point, you are likely to be facing other people with 5/1 aswell .


Like a said in an earlier post. It's hearthstone gambling. You need 7wins to come out even, gold wise. But you can go to 9wins and get more than what you paid for. Also an fun way to play and learn the game.

Too bad you are unlikely to play it often if you don't pay anyways.


If I like gambling I will pay. Same idea applies if I wanted to go play blackjack next city over. Can't just play for free ffs. Even if I love playing it.

Maybe it baffles me because it is a F2P game. I don't understand why i can't point out how a game feature isn't F2P withouth someone getting pissed off, or calling me entlited or whatever. Specially when it is a CCG and ranked with the gold prices per booster packs is basically P2W. At the end is blizzard's decission, but let's call stuff for their name instead of running circles around or coming up with the extremely unlikely event for most people to go infinite just so some people can keep the hype bandanas covering their eyes.


F2P games don't get by being free. You gotta pay for something. This is a random feature that isn't tied to anything important. Ranked is free, the game is free. It's as P2W as any other TCG ever in the history of TCG. But this time you have the option of getting all the cards for free as long as you just keep playing, and having fun in the process.

I haven't paid a dime on LoL, and i have half the heroes and all the runes. And more importantly related to the topic, i can play whatever game mode i want withouth needing to pay or hope. By the way, i know the nature of CCGs already, i am speaking about game modes here, since drafting is the only not p2w way.

At this point, you would think blizzard had learned something from Riot.


Blizzard is going to find the mode that finds the balance between being easily accessible to play and being profitable. If they made it so the average person could go infinite on Arenas then they'd never make any money because everyone would be able to earn gold easily.


The thing is, with F2P models, they usually don't get much, if any money from the average player. Instead they bank on the fact that a small portion of players are going to spend a ton on the game (for instance, buying boosters until they have all the cards). 1% of players spend 90% of the money.

I just wish that the Arena game mode, which isn't pay to win would be free, and give rewards similar to playing other game modes. They'd still make pretty much the same amount of money on people collecting all the cards.
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
August 21 2013 01:04 GMT
#525
Interesting circumstances surrounding streamers, their subs, and money changing hands in exchange for beta keys or money for decks.

https://twitter.com/CM_Zeriyah

She's a spokesperson for Hearthstone. Check out the past tweets and conversations from about an hour ago.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 01:11:11
August 21 2013 01:09 GMT
#526
If you are a streamer and requiring payment or paid subs for opt-ins to a HS beta key giveaway, this is not allowed.

Interesting... i had seen this being done quite a bit for HotS betas ^^.
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 01:19:59
August 21 2013 01:19 GMT
#527
oh dear.. it would be a shame if Ellohime would get punished. it wasnt his intention to "sell" the beta key. he got one for free from a viewer and that viewer suggested to give the key to the ppl that donated money beforehand. ofc, after that was announced on stream, he got a lot more donations, which all went into packs. He opened like 400 of them
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 21 2013 01:24 GMT
#528
Does anyone think hearthstone can become an esport's title? I don't think we will see it at MLG, but I could see it at blizzcon and at other conventions. It's an addicting game to watch, let alone playing it.
Don't mind me
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
August 21 2013 01:29 GMT
#529
On August 21 2013 10:24 ptbl wrote:
Does anyone think hearthstone can become an esport's title? I don't think we will see it at MLG, but I could see it at blizzcon and at other conventions. It's an addicting game to watch, let alone playing it.

There is no observing tool, right ?
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
August 21 2013 01:38 GMT
#530
On August 21 2013 10:29 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 10:24 ptbl wrote:
Does anyone think hearthstone can become an esport's title? I don't think we will see it at MLG, but I could see it at blizzcon and at other conventions. It's an addicting game to watch, let alone playing it.

There is no observing tool, right ?


Yet. Beta just began literally 3days ago.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
August 21 2013 01:47 GMT
#531
On August 21 2013 10:24 ptbl wrote:
Does anyone think hearthstone can become an esport's title? I don't think we will see it at MLG, but I could see it at blizzcon and at other conventions. It's an addicting game to watch, let alone playing it.

I hope not. I'd like more games to be just for fun. I know I can play it that way, but so many games trying to force their way into esports.
iFailbot
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia23 Posts
August 21 2013 03:30 GMT
#532
Looks like a fusion between War Metal:Tyrant and Kings and Legends Cant wait to try it, and hopefully, the p2w isn't that skewed. :D
https://www.facebook.com/groups/hearthsoc/
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
August 21 2013 04:17 GMT
#533
A few bits of good news that made me happy. Blizzard is evaluating the reward gold since it seems a bit too low and those participating in the closed beta will get a golden legendary.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 04:28:13
August 21 2013 04:27 GMT
#534
Hmm. Is there a new post about that somewhere?
twitter: @terrancem
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
August 21 2013 04:49 GMT
#535
I never get into Beta T_T.
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Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
August 21 2013 05:08 GMT
#536
Got my beta email yesterday, I'm having a blast.
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
August 21 2013 06:27 GMT
#537
anyone does not want their key ? :3
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
August 21 2013 06:37 GMT
#538
On August 21 2013 13:27 GogoKodo wrote:
Hmm. Is there a new post about that somewhere?


Believe it was mentioned in one of the threads. The blue comments are hectic so they are all over the place. Difficult to find most things atm.

On August 21 2013 13:49 GinDo wrote:
I never get into Beta T_T.



Beta has been up for like what, 4 days now? There are still many people awaiting their invite. There is currently a Facebook Hearthstone Beta Sweepstakes going on, you may one to check it out. Do read the FAQ for eligibility though since there are countries that are not available.

Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
August 21 2013 06:53 GMT
#539
You all want to talk about great streamers. Rob Simpson is a beast and has a beautiful rogue deck. HearthRob <3
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 07:15:25
August 21 2013 06:57 GMT
#540
On August 21 2013 15:53 Irave wrote:
You all want to talk about great streamers. Rob Simpson is a beast and has a beautiful rogue deck. HearthRob <3


That rogue deck is pretty hilarious, but he burns through cards really quick. There's also a the reliance on good draws, which can turn his deck against him.

On another note, the play option would be improved if it wasn't such a blind match. Something like showing random 5 or so cards before the game begins so you attempt to figure out the deck before it blindsides you like some decks sometimes do.
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