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KwarK
United States44381 Posts
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On March 24 2010 12:18 Neverborn wrote: Emergency room visits are free for many lower-income Americans. I have a friend who owns several pizza stores, and his employees will often take their kids to the ER with some minor complaint so they'll have a doctor's excuse to skip work. Last year I went to the ER with a severe allergic reaction and sat in a waiting room PACKED at 3am with low-income families holding children who did NOT look very sick. I don't see how more free medical services does not equate with more abuse. Stupid faking-sick-and-up-way-past-their-bedtime poor children keeping me from getting my runny nose looked at..... | ||
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
On March 24 2010 12:36 Archerofaiur wrote: Stupid faking sick poor children keeping me from getting my runny nose looked at..... I didn't mind the wait, and most of them were just there for the free meds. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, though. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On March 24 2010 12:38 Neverborn wrote: I didn't mind the wait, and most of them were just there for the free meds. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, though. Stupid faking-sick-and-up-way-past-their-bedtime poor drug addict children keeping me from getting my runny nose looked at..... | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
On March 24 2010 12:16 adamisuber wrote: Imagine your house is burning down, the firetruck shows up, saves your house then asks you to pay 50k for the service. Imagine you are being mugged, and a cop walks by, sees you probably don't have the money to be worth saving and ignores you. Now imagine being hit by a car and never fully recovering because you simply can't afford the basic necessity of health care. How is cheap health insurance socialist? Demise in democracy? SERIOUSLY? Goddamn I'm a happy Canadian. There's a reason the man who reformed health care was voted the greatest Canadian of all time, people. It had that much of an impact on our welfare! This is the most ridiculous post I have ever read. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On March 24 2010 12:40 Archerofaiur wrote: Stupid faking-sick-and-up-way-past-their-bedtime drug addict poor children keeping me from getting my runny nose looked at..... and? People who abuse the system are few and far between. The money is pennies compared to what we spend on defense. The reason they are at the ER in the first place is they cant pay. They could go to some type of urgent or ready care facility if it were free. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On March 24 2010 12:44 Sadist wrote: and? People who abuse the system are few and far between. The money is pennies compared to what we spend on defense. The reason they are at the ER in the first place is they cant pay. They could go to some type of urgent or ready care facility if it were free. I was using satire to....nevermind. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
oh sorry I misread neverborns post as yours ;( | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On March 24 2010 12:14 Neverborn wrote: I have a friend who is overweight in his 40s, and he currently doesn't have any insurance because he has so many risk factors that he can't afford anyone's policies. How will this affect him, will there now be affordable policies for him or is he just going to have to send 60% of his paycheck to an insurance company? If affordable health insurance IS made available for him and the many like him, how does this make economic sense for the insurance companies? Is the government going to subsidize them? This is the reason that health insurance shouldnt exist in the first place. Its immoral to have insurance on health since to agree to a service is a loss for the company. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On March 24 2010 12:44 Sadist wrote: and? People who abuse the system are few and far between. The money is pennies compared to what we spend on defense. The reason they are at the ER in the first place is they cant pay. They could go to some type of urgent or ready care facility if it were free. This is a Medicaid phenomenon. There are lots of people who abuse the Medicaid system. In fact some do it systematically. It's a huge problem. Then there's outright illegal abuse and that's fraud. It's demoralizing for doctors and it's just a paperwork nightmare. Peanuts compared to defense.... yes. Different story. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On March 24 2010 09:38 Mystlord wrote: I know you said you wouldn't get into the constitutional argument but I just have an honest question, I won't get into a Constitutional argument in this thread. Just know that the Commerce Clause has been used in the past to great leaps and bounds, and this piece of legislation is no different. if a person decides not to buy health insurance, isn't that person by definition choosing not to engage in commerce in the first place? How can the commerce clause even apply at all? without breaking part of the constitution or any other law? Does the commerce clause say you must engage in commerce even if you don't want to? I'm so wicked confused. | ||
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sk`
Japan442 Posts
1) America, you're already socialized. 2) Socialism and Communism are not the same. 3) If you truly strongly feel this bill has issues, then act. Spamming forums does what? | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On March 24 2010 12:53 sk` wrote: I've already acted, I emailed my attorney generals office. Wow... I still can't wrap my brain around what drives the anger found in this thread. How is it possible to claim something will be a problem, before it is even employed? Honestly, people seem to ignore several core issues in their arguments: 1) America, you're already socialized. 2) Socialism and Communism are not the same. 3) If you truly strongly feel this bill has issues, then act. Spamming forums does what? Spamming forums here allows me to hopefully get some questions answered and learn a thing or two about political science. I would hope people keep discussion civilized so this thread can remain educational. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On March 24 2010 12:14 Neverborn wrote: I have a friend who is overweight in his 40s, and he currently doesn't have any insurance because he has so many risk factors that he can't afford anyone's policies. How will this affect him, will there now be affordable policies for him or is he just going to have to send 60% of his paycheck to an insurance company? If affordable health insurance IS made available for him and the many like him, how does this make economic sense for the insurance companies? Is the government going to subsidize them? This is actually unknown. It depends on state operated exchange programs and how those are designed. Thus a critical factor in the system is still a box on somebody's powerpoint slide. | ||
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lightrise
United States1355 Posts
On March 24 2010 12:42 Saturnize wrote: This is the most ridiculous post I have ever read. Dude i was laughing my ass off. This is one of the best posts in this thread. But yes we got very off topic here. I have finally seen some type on consensus here though? No matter which side you stand on, that we shouldn't be more socialized or we should, it seems that most people agree that the health care bill just fails on many levels. It doesn't address fully address the problem with universal healthcare it just creates a political nightmare. It seems like the bill shouldn't be passed at this moment. I'm not saying that i am for or against the bill, just saying that it has soo many flaws from what it was trying to accomplish. It sets the insurance companies up to make a lot of money in the future. It provides many loopholes with people not paying and just paying the fine. Although it provides insurance for everyone it doesn't do it cheaply, like universal health care would, instead it creates many more possible expenses for companies and for families who can't really afford it. Really hope i can hear back from you big proponents for the health care bill. Chessmaster seems to share my view on this does anyone else? edit: The bill also might be a step in the right direction, but at what cost? Maybe casterizing everyone below the iq of 70 is a step in the right direction but at what cost? :D | ||
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KwarK
United States44381 Posts
On March 24 2010 13:06 lightrise wrote: Maybe casterizing everyone below the iq of 70 is a step in the right direction Trust me, you wouldn't want us to start doing that. | ||
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lightrise
United States1355 Posts
On March 24 2010 13:11 KwarK wrote: Trust me, you wouldn't want us to start doing that. lol i have thought about that in a joking maner a few times. i think we might need to start doing that kwark  we might lose about half the posters in this thread. | ||
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KwarK
United States44381 Posts
On March 24 2010 13:14 lightrise wrote: lol i have thought about that in a joking maner a few times. i think we might need to start doing that kwark we might lose about half the posters in this thread.Casterizing isn't fatal is it?!?! | ||
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lightrise
United States1355 Posts
whoops "if we had implimented this policy earlier"*** your right it is not fatal, so thus offspring from this thread would not exist is what i meant | ||
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KwarK
United States44381 Posts
On March 24 2010 13:18 lightrise wrote: whoops "if we had implimented this policy earlier"*** your right it is not fatal, so thus offspring from this thread would not exist is what i meant I don't know where to begin. | ||
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