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Osaka27179 Posts
On March 24 2010 13:18 lightrise wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 13:16 KwarK wrote:On March 24 2010 13:14 lightrise wrote:On March 24 2010 13:11 KwarK wrote:On March 24 2010 13:06 lightrise wrote:
Maybe casterizing everyone below the iq of 70 is a step in the right direction
Trust me, you wouldn't want us to start doing that. lol i have thought about that in a joking maner a few times. i think we might need to start doing that kwark  we might lose about half the posters in this thread. Casterizing isn't fatal is it?!?! whoops "if we had implimented this policy earlier"*** your right it is not fatal, so thus offspring from this thread would not exist is what i meant
HEY STUPID, THIS IS A CASTER
YOU'RE RIGHT, LET'S GO CASTERIZE SOME PEOPLE. PUT THEM UP ON WHEELS AN' SHIT. I VOTE FOR ANYONE WITH AN IQ UNDER 70 AND... UMM... ANYONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT CASTRATION IS.
+ Show Spoiler [NSFW castration] +
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I am in favor of casterizing.
sounds awesome
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Lol, oh boy. 
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I don't wanna pay for roller blades
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ok im sry that i can't spell and that i got a little ahead of myself here. As i obviously said that was not the point of my post, i only edited that in as a joke. A JOKE, but instead again everyone focused on this one thing instead of the issue that was going to be discussed in this thread. Thanks again for sidetracking the thread though, and manifesto reassuring me that mods watch this threads to try and point out stupid shit that gets posted but ignore the really great stuff :D
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United States44379 Posts
On March 24 2010 14:26 lightrise wrote:
ok im sry that i can't spell and that i got a little ahead of myself here. As i obviously said that was not the point of my post, i only edited that in as a joke. A JOKE, but instead again everyone focused on this one thing instead of the issue that was going to be discussed in this thread. Thanks again for sidetracking the thread though, and manifesto reassuring me that mods watch this threads to try and point out stupid shit that gets posted but ignore the really great stuff :D
If you'd got any of the hints I was trying to drop we wouldn't be in this position. If you suggest doing something bad to stupid people and someone replies "you wouldn't want that" it's a pretty big clue that you should doublecheck you've not said something really stupid.
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On March 24 2010 12:16 adamisuber wrote:
Imagine your house is burning down, the firetruck shows up, saves your house then asks you to pay 50k for the service.
Imagine you are being mugged, and a cop walks by, sees you probably don't have the money to be worth saving and ignores you.
Now imagine being hit by a car and never fully recovering because you simply can't afford the basic necessity of health care.
How is cheap health insurance socialist? Demise in democracy? SERIOUSLY?
Goddamn I'm a happy Canadian. There's a reason the man who reformed health care was voted the greatest Canadian of all time, people. It had that much of an impact on our welfare!
*high fives this man*
The other thing along these lines are that the uninsured in this country, who can't afford the risk they are taking, end up screwing hospitals over through ER visits that are never paid for. I remember reading somewhere in this thread someone making the analogy to auto insurance and being furious about it, but the analogy makes sense in my head... Shit happens, and when it happens involving your car, someone needs to be able to cover the damages, and if you were allowed to not have insurance and then couldn't cover the damages, you and the other party would be screwed. Well, shit can happen to your body to, and when it does, you go to the ER, and they save your life, but without insurance, you're the one footing the bill and if you can't afford it, you and the hospital are both essentially screwed.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Lol I come back after a while and the first thing I see is a picture of a caster and huge, red, font splattered over my screen. I was laughing for a good few minutes.
On March 24 2010 12:16 adamisuber wrote:
Imagine your house is burning down, the firetruck shows up, saves your house then asks you to pay 50k for the service.
Imagine you are being mugged, and a cop walks by, sees you probably don't have the money to be worth saving and ignores you.
Now imagine being hit by a car and never fully recovering because you simply can't afford the basic necessity of health care.
How is cheap health insurance socialist? Demise in democracy? SERIOUSLY?
Goddamn I'm a happy Canadian. There's a reason the man who reformed health care was voted the greatest Canadian of all time, people. It had that much of an impact on our welfare!
Hear hear! Oh I love anecdotes. They're just so much more powerful than wall of text :D
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Everything in life costs money. If you don't have enough the obvious answer is to spend other people's right?
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When the other answer is dying or being sick/ill your whole life? Yes? Thats why states/communities emerged in the first place...
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On March 24 2010 21:58 dogabutila wrote:
Everything in life costs money. If you don't have enough the obvious answer is to spend other people's right?
Don't act like you are unaffected by people without healthcare. How about you die in an emergency room because there were a few uninsured people in front of you with flus going to the ER? Then, when they cant pay the hospital bills your insurance company 300$ for some cotton swabs so the insurance company jacks up your premiums.
Not to mention sick, uninsured people can't exactly contribute anything to government or businesses because they are... sick. As people drop off the tax bracket you are stuck paying for the military, Medicare, Social Security all by yourself. If your taxes aren't increased to make up for the sick, dying, bankrupt uninsured then you will just pass trillions of dollars of debt to your kids.
Get out of your stone-age, anti-social, "I only look after myself, everyone who is different than me deserves hostility" mentality and come into the modern world where we care for other people and realize they all affect us.
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United States22883 Posts
Now that there's more people in the pool and there should theoretically be less ER visits, does anyone actually think insurance companies are going to reduce premiums?
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On March 24 2010 21:58 dogabutila wrote:
Everything in life costs money. If you don't have enough the obvious answer is to spend other people's right?
Stop spending my money that I paid for the interstate system. STOP IT RIGHT NAO
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Since voting Yes Stupak has started to receive death threats, insane:
Stupak, the Michigan Democrat whose last-minute compromise on abortion guaranteed passage of the bill Sunday, said callers have left messages for him saying, “You’re dead; we know where you live; we’ll get you.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34907.html
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On March 25 2010 00:20 Jibba wrote:
Now that there's more people in the pool and there should theoretically be less ER visits, does anyone actually think insurance companies are going to reduce premiums?
We'll be able to look at ROI and see.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On March 24 2010 21:58 dogabutila wrote:
Everything in life costs money. If you don't have enough the obvious answer is to spend other people's right?
Clearly helping others is bad. Charity? No. Loans? Out of the question. Give the banks back the money you borrowed (or your parents) for your house. You're now excluded from Medicare and Social Security, you don't get to use highways, no roads either. You can't use public sidewalks. Public trash cans are off limits. Get out of the parks too.
On March 25 2010 00:20 Jibba wrote:
Now that there's more people in the pool and there should theoretically be less ER visits, does anyone actually think insurance companies are going to reduce premiums?
That's the hope. But hope != reality unfortunately 
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its a sad sad day for the USA. this healthcare bill is a big mistake.
if I break my ankle while playing football with my friends, I totally expect to pay for it. I don't expect anyone else to pay for the treatment to heal my ankle.
and knowing that I will pay for these treatments helps me become a more careful and safe person because I know that it will cost me.
if I get the common cold or the flu, I totally expect to pay for any and all medicine to help me get better.
knowing that I will pay for these medicines will obviously help me learn to be a more clean and sanitary person.
regardless of the injuries or health issues that i have, I don't want someone else paying for my treatments.
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on the other side,
if I am a doctor and I have my own business and office or I work for a hospital's business, I totally expect to be paid for my services. why else would I become a doctor and do what I love to do.
I expect my patients to be able to pay for my services.
if they can't pay then sorry, i can't treat.
if someone is in a car accident and the ambulance is called and they are rushed into the emergency room. they get a bill for the services that the doctors and nurses provided them.
everyone gets a bill. some bills are paid via a person's insurance, some are paid out of pocket. but everyone gets a bill
everyone gets a bill
the service is NOT FREE
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if in 4 years, 36 million US citizens (who can't afford health insurance) are automatically covered by the healthcare bill, who is paying for their doctor bills?
(remember these people can't afford health insurance.
these people would be paying out of pocket for their treatments.)
who is paying for their doctor bills?
who is paying for their treatments?
obviously the rest of us will pay for them. the ones who do work, the ones who do make money will be paying.
in higher taxes.
in reduced wages.
in a lower standard of living.
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its a sad sad day for the U.S.A.
sorry to say, but the USA is falling down to the level of canada, falling down to the level of sweden and the UK and any other nation that has national healthcare.
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On March 25 2010 00:20 Jibba wrote:
Now that there's more people in the pool and there should theoretically be less ER visits, does anyone actually think insurance companies are going to reduce premiums?
Isn't the concept that increased competition will stagnate or lower premiums over time?
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United States44379 Posts
On March 25 2010 03:05 twoliveanddie wrote:
sorry to say, but the USA is falling down to the level of canada, falling down to the level of sweden and the UK and any other nation that has national healthcare.
Sweden outperforms the US in pretty much every measurable healthcare factor and spends far less to do so. Falling up to the level of Sweden?
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