• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:36
CEST 22:36
KST 05:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.162Rollback Netcode in Brood War995.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10
StarCraft 2
General
SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Server Blocker How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? 5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 ESL Pro Tour for SC2 discontinued
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Sagi.gg Launcher Released BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
ASL 22 Finals [Women's StarCraft] MonstarZ vs Dreams 2026-10-15 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Semifinal B
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9458 users

Healthcare Reform in the US - Page 42

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 40 41 42 43 44 63 Next
KunfO
Profile Joined March 2010
United States81 Posts
March 22 2010 03:02 GMT
#821
On March 22 2010 12:00 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 11:56 KunfO wrote:
Republicans are now forcing all pro-life democrats to end their careers.

New House Speaker Inc.
Yeah, because Nancy Pelosi is really dependent upon the pro-life vote.

The pro-life democrats are being taken care of. That's what this weekend was all about.



Her election personally to the House? No.

The vote to decide the speaker of the house when there are 60 less Democrats? Yes.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 22 2010 03:02 GMT
#822
Excerpt from the DKos statement on the bill:
If HR 3590 is passed all momentum, all urgency is lost. Worse than that, the healthcare system will be improved only to the point where conditions are bad, but not bad enough to risk the expansion of the role of government in healthcare. The Captains Of Industry running health insurers may be terrible people but they aren't stupid. They certainly won't repeat the same mistakes and push the limits of acceptable practices again; they've peered over the edge of the cliff and did not like what they saw.

HR 3590 is essentially a blueprint for any private industry threatened in the future by necessary reform. Allow for non-material changes at the margins, bonus points for avoiding key reforms that damage your core profitability (double bonus points if the marginal reform actually increases profitability). Passing HR 3590 and declaring it a success sends the following message to all future representatives and senators: Feel free to ignore popular opinion and the public interest when considering legislative initiatives, the corporate interests that fund your campaigns and bribe you (delayed-payment style) are what matter. Who's going to be concerned with the consequences of supporting industry when on the healthcare issue an obvious, popular and effective solution was thrown under the bus with no consequences for those involved?
On the flip side of the previous paragraph, think of the outcome if congress passed the public option. The public option would be wildly popular, essentially everyone would try to get on the plan. How do I know this? Easy, we already have a public option, only it's called Medicare and limited to those 65 and above. Of those eligible for Medicare, how many enroll? Essentially everyone. And how popular is it? Popular enough that republicans, who on a philosophical level despise the program and opposed passage of Medicare just like they oppose healthcare reform today, often spend significant time explaining why they support Medicare. They (feign) support for Medicare because they have to, because it is so popular.

Now imagine if the healthcare reform process produced legislation as popular as Medicare. Democrats would have a significant political advantage for the foreseeable future. How could republicans campaign on a track record of opposing policy that will have made such a positive impact on voter's lives? Alternatively, we can pass HR 3590 and force even more people into the arms of an already despised industry. Why don't we just hand republicans ammunition to campaign on.

When I say I oppose HR 3590 it's not even just the healthcare issue I'm considering. We have (or had) so much momentum to really push for good legislation that would be the right policy and that in turn would make for good politics. And we so desperately need that momentum and political advantage. The list of issues that need immediate attention is quite long. What about climate change? What about long-term peace with the Islamic world? The current status quo on these issues is a danger to our people and our nation just as real as death is to those without health insurance. How long will progressives continue to capitulate to conservatives and special interests who keep us from addressing the underlying fundamental problems of the world we live in. I see us at a fork in the road. We can pass HR 3590 for some measure of short-term minimal gain, or we can hold out for a better long-term solution and greatly improve the liberal political position.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Wintermute
Profile Joined March 2010
United States427 Posts
March 22 2010 03:03 GMT
#823
On March 22 2010 11:59 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
The one thing I want to know is... am I gonna get healthcare for free or be forced to buy it?


If you make more than 14.4k a year in 2014, and you don't have health care through some other means, you will be forced to buy it. Unless you upper middle class, you will be able to buy it at a discount through subsidies.
Don't let me say this, but you're no worse than me; it's crazy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 22 2010 03:03 GMT
#824
Recorded vote again.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 22 2010 03:03 GMT
#825
Now we get to vote on if we should revote what we voted on before... sigh.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 22 2010 03:03 GMT
#826
On March 22 2010 12:02 KunfO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 12:00 Jibba wrote:
On March 22 2010 11:56 KunfO wrote:
Republicans are now forcing all pro-life democrats to end their careers.

New House Speaker Inc.
Yeah, because Nancy Pelosi is really dependent upon the pro-life vote.

The pro-life democrats are being taken care of. That's what this weekend was all about.



Her election personally to the House? No.

The vote to decide the speaker of the house when there are 60 less Democrats? Yes.
I'm glad you've got your PhD in political science from an established Wikiversity.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 22 2010 03:04 GMT
#827
On March 22 2010 11:48 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 11:47 LuckyFool wrote:
Well this is pretty massive... I'm scared to turn on Fox News right now. I feel like bullets will fly out of the TV and kill me.

not much is going on trust me

He's not on now, but it's interesting that O'Reilly is becoming more and more moderate. Part of it is that Beck and Hannity make him look better, but I think he's also losing his edge and becoming more pragmatic.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 03:07:30
March 22 2010 03:04 GMT
#828
On March 22 2010 11:59 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
The one thing I want to know is... am I gonna get healthcare for free or be forced to buy it?


You're going to have to buy it, of course. The young and healthy are going to get screwed like usual. Although I have to say that there is a bit more equal opportunity screwing going on.

Really we'll see what happens in 10 years because I have a feeling that Doctors will be screwed over in the end. The AMA's supporting it now but then again they like the whole HMO idea until insurance companies had to put the screws to them in order to minimize the moral hazard.

That said all the "popular" entitlements were initially popular because they seemed like free money at the time. All of Social Security and Medicare has been is to kick the can a few years down the road so another generation of taxpayers and legislators can deal with it. Sounds like a Ponzi scheme.
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
KunfO
Profile Joined March 2010
United States81 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 03:07:04
March 22 2010 03:05 GMT
#829
On March 22 2010 12:03 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 12:02 KunfO wrote:
On March 22 2010 12:00 Jibba wrote:
On March 22 2010 11:56 KunfO wrote:
Republicans are now forcing all pro-life democrats to end their careers.

New House Speaker Inc.
Yeah, because Nancy Pelosi is really dependent upon the pro-life vote.

The pro-life democrats are being taken care of. That's what this weekend was all about.



Her election personally to the House? No.

The vote to decide the speaker of the house when there are 60 less Democrats? Yes.
I'm glad you've got your PhD in political science from an established Wikiversity.


Your criticizing me for knowing the obvious fact that the election of speaker of the house is different from Nancy Pelosi's personal election to the house?

btw Im only minoring in Political Science..
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
March 22 2010 03:05 GMT
#830
On March 22 2010 12:03 LuckyFool wrote:
Now we get to vote on if we should revote what we voted on before... sigh.


AMERICCAAAA!!
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 22 2010 03:06 GMT
#831
On March 22 2010 12:05 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 12:03 LuckyFool wrote:
Now we get to vote on if we should revote what we voted on before... sigh.


AMERICCAAAA!!


Haha
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 22 2010 03:06 GMT
#832
6 more Nay's needed...?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8180 Posts
March 22 2010 03:08 GMT
#833
so uh, the bill passed?

what exactly does it do? lol
Free Palestine
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 22 2010 03:08 GMT
#834
On March 22 2010 12:05 KunfO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 12:03 Jibba wrote:
On March 22 2010 12:02 KunfO wrote:
On March 22 2010 12:00 Jibba wrote:
On March 22 2010 11:56 KunfO wrote:
Republicans are now forcing all pro-life democrats to end their careers.

New House Speaker Inc.
Yeah, because Nancy Pelosi is really dependent upon the pro-life vote.

The pro-life democrats are being taken care of. That's what this weekend was all about.



Her election personally to the House? No.

The vote to decide the speaker of the house when there are 60 less Democrats? Yes.
I'm glad you've got your PhD in political science from an established Wikiversity.


Your criticizing me for knowing the obvious fact that the election of speaker of the house is different from Nancy Pelosi's personal election to the house?

btw Im only minoring in Political Science..

I'm criticizing you for claiming to know the outcome of the next sets of congressional elections, and assuming that the general public is in agreement with your own personal opinion.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 22 2010 03:08 GMT
#835
Motion to Recommit voted down.

Bill Passes if nobody switches votes.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
March 22 2010 03:10 GMT
#836
On March 22 2010 11:38 KunfO wrote:
This will pass, but it won't pass the class action lawsuit of thousands of people against the government who will not stand to be forced to purchase insurance or be jailed. I know I'll be canceling my health insurance as soon as this bill is signed into law just so I can join it.


I'm excited for a possible nullification and interposition revival. Go sovereign states!
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
Try
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1293 Posts
March 22 2010 03:11 GMT
#837
On March 22 2010 12:05 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 12:03 LuckyFool wrote:
Now we get to vote on if we should revote what we voted on before... sigh.


AMERICCAAAA!!


FUCK YEAH!
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
March 22 2010 03:11 GMT
#838
On March 22 2010 11:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It's pretty boring comparing to British, or Australian, or Korean which there would be punching, I assume, be happening at this stage.


I, for one, am happy that America is past brutal assaults on the floor of Congress.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
KunfO
Profile Joined March 2010
United States81 Posts
March 22 2010 03:12 GMT
#839
On March 22 2010 12:08 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 12:05 KunfO wrote:
On March 22 2010 12:03 Jibba wrote:
On March 22 2010 12:02 KunfO wrote:
On March 22 2010 12:00 Jibba wrote:
On March 22 2010 11:56 KunfO wrote:
Republicans are now forcing all pro-life democrats to end their careers.

New House Speaker Inc.
Yeah, because Nancy Pelosi is really dependent upon the pro-life vote.

The pro-life democrats are being taken care of. That's what this weekend was all about.



Her election personally to the House? No.

The vote to decide the speaker of the house when there are 60 less Democrats? Yes.
I'm glad you've got your PhD in political science from an established Wikiversity.


Your criticizing me for knowing the obvious fact that the election of speaker of the house is different from Nancy Pelosi's personal election to the house?

btw Im only minoring in Political Science..

I'm criticizing you for claiming to know the outcome of the next sets of congressional elections, and assuming that the general public is in agreement with your own personal opinion.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/wsjnbcpoll03162010.pdf

http://people-press.org/reports/questionnaires/598.pdf

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/01/26/rel2c.pdf

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html#polls
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
March 22 2010 03:13 GMT
#840
This was just preparation from Obama for the real change that will occur next year; Introducing the Metric system by voting.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Prev 1 40 41 42 43 44 63 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 24m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech155
UpATreeSC 91
Nathanias 61
Railgan 54
EmSc Tv 13
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 347
White-Ra 189
Dota 2
canceldota109
capcasts63
League of Legends
Doublelift3100
JimRising 538
Counter-Strike
fl0m2988
PGG 14
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3942
Other Games
summit1g3612
Coldzera 791
FrodaN622
B2W.Neo503
shahzam406
C9.Mang0108
JuggernautJason10
Organizations
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 13
EmSc2Tv 13
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 12
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3970
League of Legends
• Nemesis3583
• Jankos2475
Other Games
• imaqtpie846
• Shiphtur662
• Scarra178
Upcoming Events
OSC
2h 24m
Online Event
14h 24m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 6h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 9h
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
1d 13h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 19h
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 22h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
IPSL
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-14
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.