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BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
March 22 2010 03:30 GMT
#861
On March 22 2010 12:29 wishbones wrote:
is this live, if so where at? wait let me check cnn.com most likely.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
March 22 2010 03:30 GMT
#862
looks like they got it?
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 22 2010 03:30 GMT
#863
Bill passes.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
March 22 2010 03:31 GMT
#864
On March 22 2010 12:25 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 12:22 TanGeng wrote:
On March 22 2010 12:16 Mindcrime wrote:
On March 22 2010 12:10 TanGeng wrote:
On March 22 2010 11:38 KunfO wrote:
This will pass, but it won't pass the class action lawsuit of thousands of people against the government who will not stand to be forced to purchase insurance or be jailed. I know I'll be canceling my health insurance as soon as this bill is signed into law just so I can join it.


I'm excited for a possible nullification and interposition revival. Go sovereign states!


revival?

nullification was DOA.


Nullification if you know your history is what the American Revolution was all about. After that it was what the American Civl War was all about. So reviving the nullification would mean testing the waters of the American revolution for the third time. It's been a while but it's not unprecedented on US soil, and it has succeeded before.

The US health care system hasn't really changed all that much really.

Every state is dependent on the federal government for survival right now. Even Montana needs federal $$$ now.

Except the money comes from tax payers which might actually live in Montana. The federal government has been loving the idea of issuing unfunded mandates.

On March 22 2010 12:25 Wintermute wrote:
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On March 22 2010 08:36 TanGeng wrote:
What is this? Crying that the world is unfair? A post begging for sympathy? Justification for offloading some of your costs onto other individuals?

Anyway you look at it, you're buying into the "vote yourself money" mentality and no different from the kleptocrats that run the system. In fact, the kleptocrats thrive on that kind of mentality because they can throw bread crumbs to the masses and take the most of the pie.

If you want real compassion, if you want real morality, find it amongst your closest neighbors and friends. Politics isn't about "fairness" or "compassion" even if those ideas get invoked all the time. It's about dividing the spoils of war.


Who said I want compassion? Who said I am trying to be morally superior to the kleptocrats? I just want the people without all of the wealth and power to get their true value from a system that wrings them dry to build the wealth of a small minority, then discards them and tells them it's their own fault.

Whether it be fair or unfair, the reality is that for once in a long time, the trend of the wealthy few fleecing the majority has been reversed for a day.


So two wrongs make a right...

I don't think it'll console the young and healthy who are even more screwed now.
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wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 03:32:10
March 22 2010 03:31 GMT
#865
ok so, what is this vote for?

edit: lol its like watching a room full of kids in the lunch hall
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 22 2010 03:31 GMT
#866
On Fox they said the vote was so close that times like this were how Pelosi was known to twist arms.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
March 22 2010 03:32 GMT
#867
Just great. A tax hike in a recession, which not even good keynesians would support, and no real reform other than more bureaucracy...

People of America, behold your 'change.'
b0lt
Profile Joined March 2009
United States790 Posts
March 22 2010 03:32 GMT
#868
On March 22 2010 12:31 TanGeng wrote:
Except the money comes from tax payers which might actually live in Montana. The federal government has been loving the idea of issuing unfunded mandates.


Small states by population like Alaska, Montana, etc. get way more federal money per capita from the government than they send back in the form of taxes.
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
March 22 2010 03:33 GMT
#869
On March 22 2010 12:31 wishbones wrote:
ok so, what is this vote for?

edit: lol its like watching a room full of kids in the lunch hall


The FINAL VOTE. Which means the bill passes FOR REAL this time.
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 03:38:03
March 22 2010 03:34 GMT
#870
On March 22 2010 12:26 wishbones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 12:24 Jibba wrote:
On March 22 2010 12:22 wishbones wrote:
i have no clue as to what this is but i'm assuming hospitals are finally free like as if to be in Canada, or Cuba, or all those other places. is that correct?

No, there is no national health care plan. That was called the public option.

what? you mean it was on the table, and the "people" (ones who have jobs, and probably the richest of americans) said no.. wow.. how typical of snobs huh? fuckin greedy c***suckers

Both sides are to blame. The republicans were irresponsible by opposing any possible plan from the start. In response, instead of trying to break down that opposition and reaching compromise and because they had a super majority, the democrats said fuck it and figured they could push through legislation without regard for Rs. Conservative democrats delayed the issue and then Kennedy died and the super majority was lost because the Democratic party handled the ensuing election about as poorly as you possibly can. Now D leadership got hasty and is pushing through this half assed bill, hoping they can modify it later, while R leadership are still being little bitches and refusing to join the drafting process in a responsible way, because they'd rather try to hamstring Ds and win back seats in 2010/12
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
March 22 2010 03:34 GMT
#871
On March 22 2010 12:26 wishbones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 12:24 Jibba wrote:
On March 22 2010 12:22 wishbones wrote:
i have no clue as to what this is but i'm assuming hospitals are finally free like as if to be in Canada, or Cuba, or all those other places. is that correct?

No, there is no national health care plan. That was called the public option.

what? you mean it was on the table, and the "people" (ones who have jobs, and probably the richest of americans) said no.. wow.. how typical of snobs huh? fuckin greedy c***suckers


Seriously, you would have the temerity to say yes? Imposing yourself uninvited on somebody else is rude as fuck.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 22 2010 03:36 GMT
#872
Here comes the mega gavel.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 22 2010 03:38 GMT
#873
Iwo Jima vote happening.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 03:40:11
March 22 2010 03:39 GMT
#874
this is interesting, this vote is to make the one they just made final right? looks like its not gonna change. haha 1 nay edit: 0
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
March 22 2010 03:41 GMT
#875
It's finally over. Now we can see the text of the bill and tear it apart.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 22 2010 03:44 GMT
#876
Now the long battle for Financial reform(not Dodd's lame ass proposal), Immigration reform, single payer, public option, high speed rail....
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 03:48:50
March 22 2010 03:45 GMT
#877
On March 22 2010 12:41 motbob wrote:
It's finally over. Now we can see the text of the bill and tear it apart.

http://www.opencongress.org/senate_health_care_bill

On March 22 2010 12:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Now the long battle for Financial reform(not Dodd's lame ass proposal), Immigration reform, single payer, public option, high speed rail....

You'll probably get Financial Reform + more foreign policy changes until 2012. Immigration probably won't get touched until his second term, and the health care reforms like single payer and public option almost certainly won't be touched until this plan actually goes into effect in 2014, and most likely it'll be quite some time after that.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 22 2010 03:47 GMT
#878
Obama speaking. Also Biden is still up.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 22 2010 03:51 GMT
#879
Sorry America, you deserved better.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 22 2010 03:55 GMT
#880
On March 22 2010 12:51 L wrote:
Sorry America, you deserved better.

can i live with you in canada for a while?
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