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On August 14 2009 08:28 zizou21 wrote: this is 2009, all u need is an internet connection
That about sums it up. Though I have to say, buying stuff on the internet and getting in the mail rocks.
I don't like having to regularly buy a ton of stuff. Mostly because I'm cheap, but that's a good enough reason for me.
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On August 14 2009 09:10 MK wrote: I'll NEVER exchange my freedom and my confort for anything and surely not because of some silly speculation from ecoligions (yeah, ecology is a religion now, imo). I live in Tokyo and here, consuming is normal. Everyone buys things and we all wanna buy the latest gadget and change our toothbrush every week. And guess what ? Japan is considered as one of the best country for the Ecology.
really? says who? have you forgotten the relationship japan has had with the oceans that surround it?
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One thing she didn't talk about that is DEFINITELY going on is companies purposely withholding technology so we will consume more.
Look at Apple. Remember when the iPhone came out? It didn't have 3G, and everyone complained about, yet still bought them at an astounding rate, paying well over 400$ for each one!
6 months later, out comes iPhone 3G. Do you really think Apple didn't have the know-how to implement 3G on the original iPhone? NO! And guess what, people still bought the 3G at an astounding rate!
But wait, there's more features we withheld invented! Now you can do Video? Your top of the line phone can now do what my 100$ phone from 4 years ago can do! And it's up to twice as fast! But Apple won't release the specs of any of the iPhones......
This is the easiest example to note, but it happens all over the place.
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On August 14 2009 10:59 Jawa~ wrote: One thing she didn't talk about that is DEFINITELY going on is companies purposely withholding technology so we will consume more.
Look at Apple. Remember when the iPhone came out? It didn't have 3G, and everyone complained about, yet still bought them at an astounding rate, paying well over 400$ for each one!
6 months later, out comes iPhone 3G. Do you really think Apple didn't have the know-how to implement 3G on the original iPhone? NO! And guess what, people still bought the 3G at an astounding rate!
But wait, there's more features we withheld invented! Now you can do Video? Your top of the line phone can now do what my 100$ phone from 4 years ago can do! And it's up to twice as fast! But Apple won't release the specs of any of the iPhones......
This is the easiest example to note, but it happens all over the place.
I would say another good example of this is any technology where fuel has to be purchased separately.
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On August 14 2009 10:10 teh leet newb wrote: This video is retarded. What's the point of life if you can't enjoy it? Humans really don't *need* much besides shelter and food, but being alive just isn't the same as living. I enjoy getting new clothes and electronics, traveling to new places, and eating new foods. We can all start somewhere, like using fewer plastic bags. It pisses me off so much when I'm working at CVS and people ask for a bag when they have 1 tiny thing to carry.
I didn't want to say anything to u.. but since u said this video is retarded.. I have no choice but to tell u'r also retarded.. not because of ur opinion but because of u saying that using fewer plastic bags is a small step to begin to save the environment/world. I want to tell u that plastic bags from grocery stores are useful. From my point of view, I can see that after u go shopping u throw away the plastic bags (*Sigh*). But, u don't see that u can reuse the plastic bags to throw away ur trashes, instead of buying GLAD "super plastic bags that are hefty and odor resistant." Probably those people ask u for a bag knowing that they can reuse it later :D
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On August 14 2009 11:03 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 10:59 Jawa~ wrote: One thing she didn't talk about that is DEFINITELY going on is companies purposely withholding technology so we will consume more.
Look at Apple. Remember when the iPhone came out? It didn't have 3G, and everyone complained about, yet still bought them at an astounding rate, paying well over 400$ for each one!
6 months later, out comes iPhone 3G. Do you really think Apple didn't have the know-how to implement 3G on the original iPhone? NO! And guess what, people still bought the 3G at an astounding rate!
But wait, there's more features we withheld invented! Now you can do Video? Your top of the line phone can now do what my 100$ phone from 4 years ago can do! And it's up to twice as fast! But Apple won't release the specs of any of the iPhones......
This is the easiest example to note, but it happens all over the place. I would say another good example of this is any technology where fuel has to be purchased separately.
Another is proprietary power adapters.
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On August 14 2009 10:37 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 09:10 MK wrote: I'll NEVER exchange my freedom and my confort for anything and surely not because of some silly speculation from ecoligions (yeah, ecology is a religion now, imo). I live in Tokyo and here, consuming is normal. Everyone buys things and we all wanna buy the latest gadget and change our toothbrush every week. And guess what ? Japan is considered as one of the best country for the Ecology.
really? says who? have you forgotten the relationship japan has had with the oceans that surround it?
also, japan has mandatory separation of trash (regarding safe burnables, non-burnables, recycling of plastics, etc.), to a much much farther degree than the US. So that helps curb their consumerism as well.
This video makes me feel bad, since I'm one of those consumerist whores. I buy a lot of toys and clothes, etc. and I always feel bad about how much shit I throw out and this is just for one 20 year old kid, imagine entire families and factories, etc.
I also agree with what Jawa wrote, it's something I've thought about before, i.e. with the development of phone technology. When I was 13 I went to Japan and saw cell phones with color displays and marveled at that technology, while the US was stuck with that black/green MSDOS-looking bullshit. The technology truly does exist, as evidenced (and maybe even to an extent that isn't publicly known yet) only they're trying to make the most out of older technology while they can (and how could you blame them?).
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I buy things. A lot of things. I consume. I am aware that it is wasteful. From the number of cross-ocean flights I take every couple of months, I wager I'm quite a bit more destructive than the next person.
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On August 14 2009 06:08 bdams19 wrote: I am glad that I don't care about fashion or gadgets that much. I bought a 52 inch tv to play console games on (my roommates have 360, I have wii) and that's pretty much all I've bought in the last few years. I would never pay anything unreasonable for clothes although I have bought some sneakers for like 100+
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You just said that you've bought a 52 inch tv to play console games on. Completely contradicting the first sentence. Then you say you wouldn't pay unreasonable amounts for clothes, then bring in the +$100 pair of sneakers. Are you kidding? That's incredibly extravagant.
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also, japan has mandatory separation of trash (regarding safe burnables, non-burnables, recycling of plastics, etc.), to a much much farther degree than the US. So that helps curb their consumerism as well.
actually, separation of trash is bs. Useless and cost much.
I also agree with what Jawa wrote, it's something I've thought about before, i.e. with the development of phone technology. When I was 13 I went to Japan and saw cell phones with color displays and marveled at that technology, while the US was stuck with that black/green MSDOS-looking bullshit. The technology truly does exist, as evidenced (and maybe even to an extent that isn't publicly known yet) only they're trying to make the most out of older technology while they can (and how could you blame them?).
Usually, people here change their phone every 6 month-1 year. In Europe, correct me if I'm wrong, it seems people change it like every 2 years or even more, right ? So I understand that for many western people, it seems wasteful but seriously, it's convenient ! I love being able to shoot everywhere, even at night or under water ! I love being able to check my GPS and watch my TV in 16/9 mode while I'm walking and I've heard the new LTS phones are soon available and I'll be able to catch incredible Internet connection so I'll change my phone again and again. I mean, ofc I can live without my phone but if we start like that, I can also live without oil, without electricity, without meat etc. If technology is available and can enhance our living, so we should adopt it.
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Usually, people here change their phone every 6 month-1 year. In Europe, correct me if I'm wrong, it seems people change it like every 2 years or even more, right ? So I understand that for many western people, it seems wasteful but seriously, it's convenient ! I love being able to shoot everywhere, even at night or under water ! I love being able to check my GPS and watch my TV in 16/9 mode while I'm walking and I've heard the new LTS phones are soon available and I'll be able to catch incredible Internet connection so I'll change my phone again and again. I mean, ofc I can live without my phone but if we start like that, I can also live without oil, without electricity, without meat etc. If technology is available and can enhance our living, so we should adopt it.
That's not really the point we're making. In Japan, your phone technology is FAR ahead of the USA - a lot of our technology seems intentionally held back to get the most out of the current gen of phones.
I agree with you that we should adapt new technology ASAP, which is why I feel cheated knowing that the technology IS out there, just not being adapted for our US cell networks.
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i stopped listening when she said pcs only change 1 little chip that says 2006 and then 2007.
she had my attention though, but i hate stupid bitches.
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On August 14 2009 14:07 Imagination wrote: i stopped listening when she said pcs only change 1 little chip that says 2006 and then 2007.
she had my attention though, but i hate stupid bitches.
What? When the I7 came out, you pretty much had to dump all of your computer, because your motherboard wouldn't fit the socket, and your RAM is not compatible, etc.
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zara, if people dont get this on their own... then you are just making enemies of them.
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On August 14 2009 11:04 Tongchiman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 10:10 teh leet newb wrote: This video is retarded. What's the point of life if you can't enjoy it? Humans really don't *need* much besides shelter and food, but being alive just isn't the same as living. I enjoy getting new clothes and electronics, traveling to new places, and eating new foods. We can all start somewhere, like using fewer plastic bags. It pisses me off so much when I'm working at CVS and people ask for a bag when they have 1 tiny thing to carry. I didn't want to say anything to u.. but since u said this video is retarded.. I have no choice but to tell u'r also retarded.. not because of ur opinion but because of u saying that using fewer plastic bags is a small step to begin to save the environment/world. I want to tell u that plastic bags from grocery stores are useful. From my point of view, I can see that after u go shopping u throw away the plastic bags (*Sigh*). But, u don't see that u can reuse the plastic bags to throw away ur trashes, instead of buying GLAD "super plastic bags that are hefty and odor resistant." Probably those people ask u for a bag knowing that they can reuse it later :D
Perhaps you should stop jumping to assumptions. I always save my plastic bags in my cupboard to reuse. Do you seriously believe people don't have enough bags from buying groceries on a regular basis? I always have more than enough bags, and I surely won't need one more for the bottle of Gatorade that I'm going to drink in like 30 seconds after putting it in a bag. Besides, that was just a small example and not really my point. Just because I like getting new stuff, it doesn't mean I won't reuse what I can.
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Isn't the key to reviving the economy to loosen up the wallets and buy more? I think we should be stimulating spending, not discouraging it.
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Hmmmm, I don't really like the video. It seems very naive and makes what seems like a bunch of very skewed-statistic based statements and is really slow and intended for 5 year olds... But I agree with a lot of her sentiment.
I am definitely a minimalist when it comes to consumption (only ride bicycle, recycle everything, bring a book-bag to grocery store, ask for plastic bags only in order to use for my own trash-can, take all the left-over napkins from meetings/lunches, wipe my hands on my pants/shirt (no paper towel), almost never buy new stuff, pick-up used crap people toss on street for garbage pick-up, dumpster food (rarely), etc, etc.). It just seems dumb to me to be wasteful. I guess I'm being boastful 
Hmmm, anyways I think this makes me more happy then the constant consumer-type people. I feel: -> I put more thought into my consumer-type action/decisions: ->that I am doing something positive by having less of an impact ->I am probably spend a lot more time with friends instead of surfing the web for gadgets/clothing/etc,going out to buy it, and finally interacting with stuff. ->I definitely get a kick out of finding something rather then having to dish out cash for it. It's like getting a prize or something. Everyone likes free stuff, right?
Ironically, I spend time on a geeky starcraft forum (which seems to be all about buying unnecessary technological gadgets). No offense to TL.net which is really awesome
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On August 14 2009 15:07 number1gog wrote: Isn't the key to reviving the economy to loosen up the wallets and buy more? I think we should be stimulating spending, not discouraging it.
there are other priorities in our world and lives than just the economy
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On August 14 2009 10:14 LxRogue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 08:28 zizou21 wrote: this is 2009, all u need is an internet connection That about sums it up. Though I have to say, buying stuff on the internet and getting in the mail rocks. I don't like having to regularly buy a ton of stuff. Mostly because I'm cheap, but that's a good enough reason for me. 
For some reason having to pay for shipping costs really makes me think twice about buying online
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