To make it even worse, 70,000? Wtf? Thats like how much you pay in 4 years at a top tier college like stanford. Really? How the hell do you spend 70,000? What the hell did she do? Spend 20 dollars per meal?.
... what? edit: i just re-read your whole post again and i .. i just don't know if you're serious i hope not
Come on, 70,000. Thats a lot for some random college in the middle of nowhere. And i read in places that she did absolutely nothing to get a job until graduation. She just expected that after graduation she could get a job. When my parents lost their jobs, it took them at least half a year to get another job. Finding jobs these days isn't easy.
On September 01 2009 14:36 Kwark wrote:
Her point was that the careers office is completely ignoring her and instead focussing on people with better grades who they can help more easily. This makes sense for the college because if you devote a day to getting interviews for top candidates you'll have more success than spending the same time getting interviews for mediocre ones. But if they both pay the same fees for the same service then the careers office should put the effort in with her, even if it's a waste of time. Her case is that they took her money then wrote her off, not that she's not a write off.
It doesn't help the case the she has a well below average gpa and it is only like 4 months after her graduation. I'll be surprised if you land a job immediately after graduation. It might not also be the fact that their ignoring her, but the employers ignoring her request for interview.
On September 01 2009 14:46 MuffinDude wrote: It might not also be the fact that their ignoring her, but the employers ignoring her request for interview.
Which brings us back to what was originally said in the topic. She's alleging that they did not attempt to help her and instead focussed their efforts helping the better candidates who they could help more. They're saying they try and help everyone. The job of the court will be to decide which of the two it is, repeating that it could be one of them doesn't change the fact that it could be either and we don't know which.
My point was just that her unemployability doesn't change anything in a debate about whether they tried to help her anyway.
On September 01 2009 03:20 Slithe wrote: In case anyone still cares, I found a short article relating to this story. It basically talks about Monroe College and it's questionable practices.
To make it even worse, 70,000? Wtf? Thats like how much you pay in 4 years at a top tier college like stanford. Really? How the hell do you spend 70,000? What the hell did she do? Spend 20 dollars per meal?.
... what? edit: i just re-read your whole post again and i .. i just don't know if you're serious i hope not
Come on, 70,000. Thats a lot for some random college in the middle of nowhere. And i read in places that she did absolutely nothing to get a job until graduation. She just expected that after graduation she could get a job. When my parents lost their jobs, it took them at least half a year to get another job. Finding jobs these days isn't easy.
Her point was that the careers office is completely ignoring her and instead focussing on people with better grades who they can help more easily. This makes sense for the college because if you devote a day to getting interviews for top candidates you'll have more success than spending the same time getting interviews for mediocre ones. But if they both pay the same fees for the same service then the careers office should put the effort in with her, even if it's a waste of time. Her case is that they took her money then wrote her off, not that she's not a write off.
It doesn't help the case the she has a well below average gpa and it is only like 4 months after her graduation. I'll be surprised if you land a job immediately after graduation. It might not also be the fact that their ignoring her, but the employers ignoring her request for interview.
I think you're being a little too ignorant of the actual situation here. We aren't talking about a normal school that she's suing here. You should first read the link that I posted on the previous page.
You also have probably led a largely convenient life, and have suffered little hardships compared to the people who typically get exploited by these supposed institutes of higher education. Imagine this kind of scenario:
A person who's grown up in less than ideal conditions, is finally looking to make something of himself and improve his life by getting a better education. His local neighborhood college is advertising just that kind of an opportunity, and also promises to help him find a job afterward. So the man decides to make that 4 year commitment, taking on some student loans in the process. Little did he know what kind of a shitty education he was getting, and how little he was actually learning in the way of applicable job skills.
So where does the man stand now? Eight semesters of college at $5000/semester, 4 years of time wasted, and the bill is only growing as the student loans keep going unpaid. When you look at it like that, $70k doesn't look so unreasonable anymore.
The college is using deceitful tricks to lure naive individuals into their institution and rob them of their cash. One could say that it's the woman's fault for being tricked, but I would hope that we as a society have advanced enough to not endorse such exploitation.
To make it even worse, 70,000? Wtf? Thats like how much you pay in 4 years at a top tier college like stanford. Really? How the hell do you spend 70,000? What the hell did she do? Spend 20 dollars per meal?.
... what? edit: i just re-read your whole post again and i .. i just don't know if you're serious i hope not
Come on, 70,000. Thats a lot for some random college in the middle of nowhere. And i read in places that she did absolutely nothing to get a job until graduation. She just expected that after graduation she could get a job. When my parents lost their jobs, it took them at least half a year to get another job. Finding jobs these days isn't easy.
On September 01 2009 14:36 Kwark wrote:
Her point was that the careers office is completely ignoring her and instead focussing on people with better grades who they can help more easily. This makes sense for the college because if you devote a day to getting interviews for top candidates you'll have more success than spending the same time getting interviews for mediocre ones. But if they both pay the same fees for the same service then the careers office should put the effort in with her, even if it's a waste of time. Her case is that they took her money then wrote her off, not that she's not a write off.
It doesn't help the case the she has a well below average gpa and it is only like 4 months after her graduation. I'll be surprised if you land a job immediately after graduation. It might not also be the fact that their ignoring her, but the employers ignoring her request for interview.
I think you're being a little too ignorant of the actual situation here. We aren't talking about a normal school that she's suing here. You should first read the link that I posted on the previous page.
You also have probably led a largely convenient life, and have suffered little hardships compared to the people who typically get exploited by these supposed institutes of higher education. Imagine this kind of scenario:
A person who's grown up in less than ideal conditions, is finally looking to make something of himself and improve his life by getting a better education. His local neighborhood college is advertising just that kind of an opportunity, and also promises to help him find a job afterward. So the man decides to make that 4 year commitment, taking on some student loans in the process. Little did he know what kind of a shitty education he was getting, and how little he was actually learning in the way of applicable job skills.
So where does the man stand now? Eight semesters of college at $5000/semester, 4 years of time wasted, and the bill is only growing as the student loans keep going unpaid. When you look at it like that, $70k doesn't look so unreasonable anymore.
The college is using deceitful tricks to lure naive individuals into their institution and rob them of their cash. One could say that it's the woman's fault for being tricked, but I would hope that we as a society have advanced enough to not endorse such exploitation.
Yes the college being corrupt could be true, but from the general gist of it, this person is just some lazy idiot who doesn't want to try to get a job. I did some reading into it and she apparently didn't do much in classes and was actually quite lazy. She could at least hold part time job to relieve the burden but apparently she didn't get any part time jobs. My parents came from less than ideal condition, as they grew up in china during 1950s to 1960s. During the time, my parents couldn't go to college because the colleges were closed to applicants, and when the college entrance exams opened up again, they worked their butt off, got into college, and managed to go to America where they are living a fairly good life. I just think that its insulting that you are grouping this kind of person with many of other people like my parents who worked their butt off to get somewhere in their life. American's living standard is actually far better than many other countries and as a result most Americans don't know what a real hardships are like (now the difference isn't that big, but when you compare now America to then China, it is a big difference).
The only thing that is being debated about this case is whether she will win. The only way that she will win this case is if the court sees that the college did nothing to help he get a job.
To make it even worse, 70,000? Wtf? Thats like how much you pay in 4 years at a top tier college like stanford. Really? How the hell do you spend 70,000? What the hell did she do? Spend 20 dollars per meal?.
... what? edit: i just re-read your whole post again and i .. i just don't know if you're serious i hope not
Come on, 70,000. Thats a lot for some random college in the middle of nowhere. And i read in places that she did absolutely nothing to get a job until graduation. She just expected that after graduation she could get a job. When my parents lost their jobs, it took them at least half a year to get another job. Finding jobs these days isn't easy.
On September 01 2009 14:36 Kwark wrote:
Her point was that the careers office is completely ignoring her and instead focussing on people with better grades who they can help more easily. This makes sense for the college because if you devote a day to getting interviews for top candidates you'll have more success than spending the same time getting interviews for mediocre ones. But if they both pay the same fees for the same service then the careers office should put the effort in with her, even if it's a waste of time. Her case is that they took her money then wrote her off, not that she's not a write off.
It doesn't help the case the she has a well below average gpa and it is only like 4 months after her graduation. I'll be surprised if you land a job immediately after graduation. It might not also be the fact that their ignoring her, but the employers ignoring her request for interview.
I think you're being a little too ignorant of the actual situation here. We aren't talking about a normal school that she's suing here. You should first read the link that I posted on the previous page.
You also have probably led a largely convenient life, and have suffered little hardships compared to the people who typically get exploited by these supposed institutes of higher education. Imagine this kind of scenario:
A person who's grown up in less than ideal conditions, is finally looking to make something of himself and improve his life by getting a better education. His local neighborhood college is advertising just that kind of an opportunity, and also promises to help him find a job afterward. So the man decides to make that 4 year commitment, taking on some student loans in the process. Little did he know what kind of a shitty education he was getting, and how little he was actually learning in the way of applicable job skills.
So where does the man stand now? Eight semesters of college at $5000/semester, 4 years of time wasted, and the bill is only growing as the student loans keep going unpaid. When you look at it like that, $70k doesn't look so unreasonable anymore.
The college is using deceitful tricks to lure naive individuals into their institution and rob them of their cash. One could say that it's the woman's fault for being tricked, but I would hope that we as a society have advanced enough to not endorse such exploitation.
Yes the college being corrupt could be true, but from the general gist of it, this person is just some lazy idiot who doesn't want to try to get a job. I did some reading into it and she apparently didn't do much in classes and was actually quite lazy. She could at least hold part time job to relieve the burden but apparently she didn't get any part time jobs. My parents came from less than ideal condition, as they grew up in china during 1950s to 1960s. During the time, my parents couldn't go to college because the colleges were closed to applicants, and when the college entrance exams opened up again, they worked their butt off, got into college, and managed to go to America where they are living a fairly good life. I just think that its insulting that you are grouping this kind of person with many of other people like my parents who worked their butt off to get somewhere in their life. American's living standard is actually far better than many other countries and as a result most Americans don't know what a real hardships are like (now the difference isn't that big, but when you compare now America to then China, it is a big difference).
The only thing that is being debated about this case is whether she will win. The only way that she will win this case is if the court sees that the college did nothing to help he get a job.
Is it possible for you to link the reading you did regarding her time in school? From the bit of research I did, nearly all the news stories are hardly longer than 2 paragraphs and lacked much in the way of real details.
If this were a story about someone suing a reputable school, I'd call bullshit on it. However, this Monroe College is looking quite shady to me.
To make it even worse, 70,000? Wtf? Thats like how much you pay in 4 years at a top tier college like stanford. Really? How the hell do you spend 70,000? What the hell did she do? Spend 20 dollars per meal?.
... what? edit: i just re-read your whole post again and i .. i just don't know if you're serious i hope not
Come on, 70,000. Thats a lot for some random college in the middle of nowhere. And i read in places that she did absolutely nothing to get a job until graduation. She just expected that after graduation she could get a job. When my parents lost their jobs, it took them at least half a year to get another job. Finding jobs these days isn't easy.
On September 01 2009 14:36 Kwark wrote:
Her point was that the careers office is completely ignoring her and instead focussing on people with better grades who they can help more easily. This makes sense for the college because if you devote a day to getting interviews for top candidates you'll have more success than spending the same time getting interviews for mediocre ones. But if they both pay the same fees for the same service then the careers office should put the effort in with her, even if it's a waste of time. Her case is that they took her money then wrote her off, not that she's not a write off.
It doesn't help the case the she has a well below average gpa and it is only like 4 months after her graduation. I'll be surprised if you land a job immediately after graduation. It might not also be the fact that their ignoring her, but the employers ignoring her request for interview.
I think you're being a little too ignorant of the actual situation here. We aren't talking about a normal school that she's suing here. You should first read the link that I posted on the previous page.
You also have probably led a largely convenient life, and have suffered little hardships compared to the people who typically get exploited by these supposed institutes of higher education. Imagine this kind of scenario:
A person who's grown up in less than ideal conditions, is finally looking to make something of himself and improve his life by getting a better education. His local neighborhood college is advertising just that kind of an opportunity, and also promises to help him find a job afterward. So the man decides to make that 4 year commitment, taking on some student loans in the process. Little did he know what kind of a shitty education he was getting, and how little he was actually learning in the way of applicable job skills.
So where does the man stand now? Eight semesters of college at $5000/semester, 4 years of time wasted, and the bill is only growing as the student loans keep going unpaid. When you look at it like that, $70k doesn't look so unreasonable anymore.
The college is using deceitful tricks to lure naive individuals into their institution and rob them of their cash. One could say that it's the woman's fault for being tricked, but I would hope that we as a society have advanced enough to not endorse such exploitation.
Yes the college being corrupt could be true, but from the general gist of it, this person is just some lazy idiot who doesn't want to try to get a job. I did some reading into it and she apparently didn't do much in classes and was actually quite lazy. She could at least hold part time job to relieve the burden but apparently she didn't get any part time jobs. My parents came from less than ideal condition, as they grew up in china during 1950s to 1960s. During the time, my parents couldn't go to college because the colleges were closed to applicants, and when the college entrance exams opened up again, they worked their butt off, got into college, and managed to go to America where they are living a fairly good life. I just think that its insulting that you are grouping this kind of person with many of other people like my parents who worked their butt off to get somewhere in their life. American's living standard is actually far better than many other countries and as a result most Americans don't know what a real hardships are like (now the difference isn't that big, but when you compare now America to then China, it is a big difference).
The only thing that is being debated about this case is whether she will win. The only way that she will win this case is if the court sees that the college did nothing to help he get a job.
Is it possible for you to link the reading you did regarding her time in school? From the bit of research I did, nearly all the news stories are hardly longer than 2 paragraphs and lacked much in the way of real details.
If this were a story about someone suing a reputable school, I'd call bullshit on it. However, this Monroe College is looking quite shady to me.
I will say this now, but I don't have good proof. Its mostly from comments from others. And based on a website, the average gpa of private school was around 3.5 while public 3.0. So her gpa was well below average.
Heres the website where I got most of the comments from.
I know this girl personally, and she is taking this too far. Although she graduated with a Bachelors degree, she didn't do the hard work that is required. She was on a team of 4-6 individuals at times, and she did nothing at all. She got the credit because it was a team effort. Everyone gets the same grade.
Yes its not a good source, but the a lot of sources says the same thing. Its already suspicious to me that she just faded away after initially declaring that she was going to sue the college. And its also only 4 months after her graduation. If you have good gpa, and at least spent a year and not satisfied with the job that the colleges give, then hell i would sue them too. But her case is too weak especially in time the economic downturn.
Edit: Check out this youtube video. It'll clarify conditions she must meet to win the lawsuit.
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