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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43907 Posts
August 04 2009 03:11 GMT
#21
On August 04 2009 12:08 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2009 11:55 Brett wrote:
On August 04 2009 11:48 Kwark wrote:
On August 04 2009 11:46 Manifesto7 wrote:
If the college promised to help with finding jobs for graduates, and indeed uses that as a way to attract students, then why should they not be held accountable when they do not? In both the linked article and the BBC article, there are precious few details as to the claim, basically a he said she said argument. In the end, if it turns out they did not meet their commitments to helping her, then she has a case.

Way to deflate any drama out of the story with reason....
Might as well close this now. No fun to be had here.

Never fear; there's plenty of idiocy in the "Koreans beat the shit out of some dude" thread!


Very true. Maybe if we all work together, logic and reasoning can be the new TL meme in the general section.

Trying to one up me on ridiculousness?
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
August 04 2009 03:12 GMT
#22
this thread is..fucking stupid..
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
RushWifDietCoke
Profile Joined May 2008
United States488 Posts
August 04 2009 03:12 GMT
#23
It's highly unlikely (in my opinion) that an established business would, in writing promise something that they are not 100% sure they can deliver. I can't say for sure though with only the information provided in the article. I think the girl will argue that they did not try hard enough. Most likely the college will say that there are plenty of resources at her disposal and will use many instances of job openings posted online as examples. The court will rule in favor of the college unless a couple factors are proven during the hearing.
1. The girl was promised in writing that they would get her a job.
2. The college did not provide her service that was available to the rest of the students (unfair treatment).
This is just my estimate of how it will go BASED on the information that has been given (not a lot).


On a side note, I don't see how this is a good move on her part either way. If she wins the case great for her, but after companies hear about her suing the school she will have an even more difficult time finding a job. I'm not sure I know of any companies that would be eager to higher an employee known lawsuits. (keeping in mind that there are discrimination laws but these have so many loopholes they can be avoided.). If she loses the case well obviously it wouldn't be a good move on her part considering the expenses for the lawsuit as well as her reputation ruined for falsely accusing the school.
Nothing to it but to do it.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
August 04 2009 03:14 GMT
#24
There's no way a sensible school guarantees 100% employment for its alums.

Ergo, I will err on the side of favouring the school here.

Naturally, alumni networks/other programs are available at many universities, and these assist in job searches - but these are no foolproof way to find a job.

Girl sues college for her incompetence, imo.
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Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
August 04 2009 03:14 GMT
#25
On August 04 2009 11:38 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Well I think this particular story is blown a little out of proportion. Sure, I think its silly to sue the school for your inability to find a job, but at the same time you dont know the whole story. America loves drama stories and they are trying to turn this into one as well.

I can kind of see why she might be upset, if they did indeed promise her a service that they simply didnt provide. I just think this will be one of the stories that people read the title but not the actual story.

I'm not saying I agree with her here I just 100% think this one is skewed by the media.


Since when is a promise a binding contract?
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43907 Posts
August 04 2009 03:16 GMT
#26
On August 04 2009 12:14 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2009 11:38 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Well I think this particular story is blown a little out of proportion. Sure, I think its silly to sue the school for your inability to find a job, but at the same time you dont know the whole story. America loves drama stories and they are trying to turn this into one as well.

I can kind of see why she might be upset, if they did indeed promise her a service that they simply didnt provide. I just think this will be one of the stories that people read the title but not the actual story.

I'm not saying I agree with her here I just 100% think this one is skewed by the media.


Since when is a promise a binding contract?

When that promise is in the form of an advertisment and the consumer parts with their money.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 04 2009 03:18 GMT
#27
If I could have 3 wishes, one would be the ability to slap anyone who makes stupid lawsuits as much as I want.
Jaedong
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
August 04 2009 03:21 GMT
#28
On August 04 2009 12:16 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2009 12:14 Aegraen wrote:
On August 04 2009 11:38 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Well I think this particular story is blown a little out of proportion. Sure, I think its silly to sue the school for your inability to find a job, but at the same time you dont know the whole story. America loves drama stories and they are trying to turn this into one as well.

I can kind of see why she might be upset, if they did indeed promise her a service that they simply didnt provide. I just think this will be one of the stories that people read the title but not the actual story.

I'm not saying I agree with her here I just 100% think this one is skewed by the media.


Since when is a promise a binding contract?

When that promise is in the form of an advertisment and the consumer parts with their money.


She bought with her money an education. She didn't buy a job, or employment.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
August 04 2009 03:23 GMT
#29
On August 04 2009 12:18 Avidkeystamper wrote:
If I could have 3 wishes, one would be the ability to slap anyone who makes stupid lawsuits as much as I want.


this.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
August 04 2009 03:23 GMT
#30
On August 04 2009 12:18 Avidkeystamper wrote:
If I could have 3 wishes, one would be the ability to slap anyone who makes stupid lawsuits as much as I want.


wise choice sir. I think your arms might get tired after a while though..
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
August 04 2009 03:24 GMT
#31
No worries, he'd have us to back him up!
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
August 04 2009 03:26 GMT
#32
On August 04 2009 12:21 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2009 12:16 Kwark wrote:
On August 04 2009 12:14 Aegraen wrote:
On August 04 2009 11:38 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Well I think this particular story is blown a little out of proportion. Sure, I think its silly to sue the school for your inability to find a job, but at the same time you dont know the whole story. America loves drama stories and they are trying to turn this into one as well.

I can kind of see why she might be upset, if they did indeed promise her a service that they simply didnt provide. I just think this will be one of the stories that people read the title but not the actual story.

I'm not saying I agree with her here I just 100% think this one is skewed by the media.


Since when is a promise a binding contract?

When that promise is in the form of an advertisment and the consumer parts with their money.


She bought with her money an education. She didn't buy a job, or employment.


if they promise a job placement within X months after graduation alongside education, then yes in fact, she did.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43907 Posts
August 04 2009 03:26 GMT
#33
On August 04 2009 12:21 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2009 12:16 Kwark wrote:
On August 04 2009 12:14 Aegraen wrote:
On August 04 2009 11:38 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Well I think this particular story is blown a little out of proportion. Sure, I think its silly to sue the school for your inability to find a job, but at the same time you dont know the whole story. America loves drama stories and they are trying to turn this into one as well.

I can kind of see why she might be upset, if they did indeed promise her a service that they simply didnt provide. I just think this will be one of the stories that people read the title but not the actual story.

I'm not saying I agree with her here I just 100% think this one is skewed by the media.


Since when is a promise a binding contract?

When that promise is in the form of an advertisment and the consumer parts with their money.


She bought with her money an education. She didn't buy a job, or employment.

If she was advertised an education and she bought it then fair enough. If she was advertised an institution which educates and attempts to find work for its students and all she got was an education then she has a case. As has already been stated in the topic, we don't know the full facts.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
August 04 2009 04:05 GMT
#34
On August 04 2009 12:24 funkie wrote:
No worries, he'd have us to back him up!


he would have most of the world...besides that person who sued mcdonalds for making him/her fat.
i think it would be easier for the girl to try and find a job by herself than trying to sue her way to getting...money? most likely not a job - -;
sdvc
Profile Joined April 2009
United States91 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 04:27:40
August 04 2009 04:23 GMT
#35
If you read this story on cnn she has a 2.7 gpa

Her degree is in "business administration degree in information technology"

Not really hard for me to connect the dots here

Plus she's 27 and just graduated, she probably doesn't have any work experience

Here's the article
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/03/new.york.jobless.graduate/index.html
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43907 Posts
August 04 2009 04:27 GMT
#36
On August 04 2009 13:23 sdvc wrote:
If you read this story on cnn she has a 2.7 gpa

Her degree is in "business administration degree in information technology"

Not really hard for me to connect the dots here

Plus she's 27 and just graduated, she probably doesn't have any work experience

Which might explain her decision to invest her money into an institution that offered to find her work. As stated before, it comes down to whether they didn't provide a service they agreed to, not how unemployable she is. And given we don't know that, her unemployability changes nothing.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
sdvc
Profile Joined April 2009
United States91 Posts
August 04 2009 04:31 GMT
#37
If you read the article the college states that they don't guarantee employment
ActualSteve
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States627 Posts
August 04 2009 04:33 GMT
#38
She really thought that the school should cater to her needs that much?
You are now breathing manually.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17056 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 05:00:14
August 04 2009 04:55 GMT
#39
As Thompson sees it, any reasonable employer would pounce on an applicant with her academic credentials, which include a 2.7 grade-point average and a solid attendance record. But Monroe's career-services department has put forth insufficient effort to help her secure employment, she claims.

"They're supposed to say, 'I got this student, her attendance is good, her GPA is all right -- can you interview this person?' They're not doing that," she said.


Any employer would pounce on a 2.7 GPA applicant with a more or less useless degree? :/

EDIT: In this job market, I mean. Who's looking to hire people with a business degree in IT?
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Kurosaki
Profile Joined August 2008
United States158 Posts
August 04 2009 04:57 GMT
#40
She suggested that Monroe's Office of Career Advancement shows preferential treatment to students with excellent grades. "They favor more toward students that got a 4.0. They help them more out with the job placement," she said.

I got a 2.7 GPA but they denied my interview for medical school. Some other kid with a 4.0 GPA got the interview. I don't know why they would favor those types of people over me. My attendance is solid as a rock! That has to be a big plus.
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