EPTThe Process Of Becomming Gosu
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Construct
United States33 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28701 Posts
 ) and either you're talented (in which case you will become very good/gosu) or you're not talented, in which case you will never transcend above "good". for example nazgul played with a goal to improve and his natural talent coupled with the fact that he was playing a lot with people with higher skill than himself made him "gosu". | ||
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Bizkit
Sweden1137 Posts
That's the tricky part, now that u don that let's move on. Now u install broodwar, set windows mouse speed fastest and then U go to famous replay sites/download and watch maybe 50 replays a day at 2X speed or Fastest, simply to learn strats and build orders. Now after u watch reps u play 12hours straight witouth no stop. I mean u can't sit in the Channel and Chat with other people. U get a maximum of 5 minutes to rest for each game. Focus and meditate, suck your fingers to get em warm or something. After a hard day at work training u eat(u get like 15minutes to eat, i sugest u call for pizza, takeout food so u can play meanwhile some asian guy is making ur Chinese Soup or something) and then u sleep, 6 hours no more no less. Then u wake up and we do a loop now to begin with the Replay sites/dowload part. After 4-6 months of hardcore training u shoul become realy gosu and win every shitty tournamnet around and get invitet to korea and play there as a ProGamer. The end - -; | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28701 Posts
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Construct
United States33 Posts
 I like your discription Drone but where exactly do you find gosu who want to actually play with you? Heh, that's the hard part. | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
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dudex
Korea (South)31 Posts
u need knowledge and speed knowledge can come from experience, but if u get a great gosu tutor u'll have it in less time... and you improve faster if u have method too, if u think between games and practice certain details (say micro for example) even in your own ums maps u save time too the closest thing to talent would be creativity ( = boxer  )that is above knowledge cause there's less and less creativity going on, don't u think? the game has been explored very much. i think an interesting question is if it hasn't been explored TOO much. i mean, wouldn't it be funnier more variety of strats, when it wasn't common sense almost all the possibilities each races has in each matchup? argh, to do well in korea does take a shitload of many things, yes | ||
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Construct
United States33 Posts
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bi11y
United States169 Posts
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
Dyou really think so? I think thats close to sayin "Anyone can be an actor/author/musician (artist of any sort)" Anyone can define what he's done as "art", but then again, what is art? Is that  ?Hmmmmm..... | ||
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Construct
United States33 Posts
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
1) hand speed 2) incredible clicking accuracy 3) quick thinking - ex. the ability to decide in a split second whether to push or retreat 4) deep thinking - ex. the ability to recognize what the opponent has based on limited scouting information, and what the opponent might do I can practice 24 hr/day for the rest of my life and I will never come close to as good as korean pros, because I'm jsut not as "talented". Its obvious that most normal people just cannot move as fast or click as accurately as the pros. I even get dizzy looking at their 1st person screen, but I think generally, the importance of points 3 and 4 are underestimated by most average players. If you look at pro replays or vods, their timing is almost magical, and that can be attributed to points 3 and 4. Its not just knowing to make temps against mass hyrdas and such. To play at that level you need to be able to think much much deeper, to calculate things to an incredible level of accuracy, and we can practice forever, and get tutored by gosus and such. It takes natural abilty = talent to compete at that level, not just practice. | ||
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Construct
United States33 Posts
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
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maleorderbride
United States2916 Posts
I think this "thinking" has a much more common name: intelligence. It does take the knowledge of the game and repition in order to learn how to apply your interlligence, and there most certainly are mental shortcuts in this game as in any other, but the bottom line is, some people will never be able to play at the same level because they are limited by their intelligence. If you disagree with me, then what is it that defines a gosu? I am not making the case that all gosus are geniuses, i am saying that i expect the average IQ of a "gosu" to be higher than that of the average person. If each person who plays doesn't have a theoretical cap then nazgul would not be ranked among the top players in the world. He said earlier in a post that he practices about 5 hours a day. Compare that to Patry's 10 hours, or boxer's 12--the point that im trying to make here is that yes dedication is a large part of the game, but just like in all other areas of life, dedication is not what dictates success. It would be a wonderful world if that was so, but success is dictated by chance, by work, an by ability. We can attempt to limit chance through planning and practice, and we can work at our goal all we want, but ultimately ability is necessary to take the final step. As far as ability is concerned, every persons ability or intelligence is different, and that provides the cap on your playing. | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
maleorderbride, didn't you watch Forrest Gump? I know that movies aren't for real, but look at other people that are "top" at their field, they really aren't all geniouses (<---hows that spelled?) Thinking isnt what decides the outcome of a starcraft-match imo. Ok, there are things you have to keep in mind like lurks + rines = blood but I'd say what counts is predicting what your enemy does, and you predict using your experience, so practice is what counts, its like driving cars, speaking a language and most other things. At that Nazgul plays only half as much as Boxer doesnt say a thing imo because I think that just relates to Boxer being a Korean and Nazgul being no Korean. Didn't we agree in the korean-education-thread some time ago that Koreans are terribly (if terribly is the right word) disciplined? I assume thats just a way of life. So what I think is: You can get really good by practicing (some'll need more some less). Your experience with other games doesnt effect your sc-skills that much, esp not chess since its not real-time... What is most important is WILL. If you really really want to you can achieve most things. | ||
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iloveo.0
Egypt43 Posts
that is just koreans are nothing special...they are good at starcraft, cuz ppl there promote it. cuz they love games that is all. i really feel korean should brush their teeth. they smell like garlic | ||
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NoName
United States1558 Posts
My bro was stationed there when he was in the army. | ||
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NoName
United States1558 Posts
Same reason Americans are good at Basketball. Or other countries are good at football (what I call soccer ). | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On December 10 2002 22:13 maleorderbride wrote: i would have to mainly agree with where this thread is going; handspeed and clicking accuracy can be improved through simply repetition, but quick (corret)responses and "deep" thinking are something that you are basically born with, or at least unable to change at this point in your life. I think this "thinking" has a much more common name: intelligence. It does take the knowledge of the game and repition in order to learn how to apply your interlligence, and there most certainly are mental shortcuts in this game as in any other, but the bottom line is, some people will never be able to play at the same level because they are limited by their intelligence. If you disagree with me, then what is it that defines a gosu? I am not making the case that all gosus are geniuses, i am saying that i expect the average IQ of a "gosu" to be higher than that of the average person. If each person who plays doesn't have a theoretical cap then nazgul would not be ranked among the top players in the world. He said earlier in a post that he practices about 5 hours a day. Compare that to Patry's 10 hours, or boxer's 12--the point that im trying to make here is that yes dedication is a large part of the game, but just like in all other areas of life, dedication is not what dictates success. It would be a wonderful world if that was so, but success is dictated by chance, by work, an by ability. We can attempt to limit chance through planning and practice, and we can work at our goal all we want, but ultimately ability is necessary to take the final step. As far as ability is concerned, every persons ability or intelligence is different, and that provides the cap on your playing. Wow that's some right wing view you got there . I think intelligence certainly plays a role in sc skill but it's not as significant as you make it out to be. I think when ppl say "natural talent" in sc they are referring just as much, if not moreso, to things like hand dexterity and stamina, as opposed to intelligence. | ||
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