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Well, this is my first topic so I'm not really sure where this belongs, but got this in my inbox today and I'm pretty sure people here would be interested:
I am seeking highly qualified math and science instructors for a
intense exam preparation program in Seoul, Korea called Byungjin
Hakwon. The program is six weeks long; from Monday, 21 December 2009
to Friday, 29 January 2010. Instructors will be compensated with a
base pay of 31,800,000 Korean won (approx. USD 24,900) for those with
doctoral degrees or are doctoral degree candidates, and 24,700,000
Korean won (approx. USD 19,300) for those who are not, plus
performance-based bonuses. Airfare, housing, teaching supplies, and
some local transportation costs are provided.
Our students are Korean secondary school students planning to apply to
U.S. universities. They are preparing for SAT subject and AP exams
in mathematics, computer science, chemistry, physics, and biology.
Instructors will be assigned to teach one or two subjects at two or
more levels. Class sizes are small (6-8 students), which allow for
much individual attention. Instructors can expect to spend about 20
hours per week in the classroom with 20-40 hours per week preparing
lessons and evaluating homework assignments.
Once instructors have been hired in September, they must be available
to attend five all-day weekend training sessions held in fall 2009 in
Boston, New York, or San Francisco. These sessions will familiarize
instructors with our curriculum and Korean culture. The exact
schedule will take into account instructor availability but will be
fixed by mid-September.
Instructors must be citizens of the Republic of Korea or of the United
States. Classes will be held in English; fluency in English is
required. No knowledge of the Korean language is necessary, but would
be helpful. We prefer students at top U.S. universities, such as the
Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, etc.
Please ask anyone interested to get in touch with me. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Hyun-Won Park, Ph.D.
Curriculum Development Director
Byungjin Hakwon
hyunwon.park@gmail.com
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24k for 6 weeks of work? Whoever is qualified better jump on that ASAP.
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Too bad that interferes with the academic year =/
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Braavos36375 Posts
On July 17 2009 00:48 illu wrote:
Nice scam.
What makes you think its a scam? Don't post like this.
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On July 17 2009 00:48 illu wrote:
Nice scam.
errr, yeah--I got this through a faculty member though my university's job mailing list--so I would hope it's not a scam...
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On July 17 2009 00:52 boezou wrote:errr, yeah--I got this through a faculty member though my university's job mailing list--so I would hope it's not a scam...
>_>. I take it back then.
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Interesting job. Up to 60 hours a week for 6 weeks is pretty intense but the pay is amazing.
I wonder how much the students are paying per lesson though :/
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Damn. I could definitely teach this but I'm not a U.S. citizen 
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snaps i wish i was qualified
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I would jump on this in a heartbeat... if I could.
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I don't have the degree but I could teach Bio and Calculus :<
Good pay, wonder if anybody will sign up.
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United States24682 Posts
I don't totally understand why they want people from top US Universities teaching classes to prepare for SATs, APs, etc. I would think people with some knowledge of how to help others learn that material would be more important than if they got a 1600 or 1500 on their original SATs.
The guy is implying that 'highly qualified instructors' means 'knows the material well'.
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On July 17 2009 01:04 micronesia wrote:
I don't totally understand why they want people from top US Universities teaching classes to prepare for SATs, APs, etc. I would think people with some knowledge of how to help others learn that material would be more important than if they got a 1600 or 1500 on their original SATs.
The guy is implying that 'highly qualified instructors' means 'knows the material well'.
Flawed reasoning, but Koreans (the parents, especially the mother, aka a-jum-mas) think good university=good in everything, bad university=fail in life).
A guy who did well in 2nd-rate univerity courses won't have problems teaching these classes...
EDIT: Actually let me rephrase myself. I haven't lived continuously, and certainly do not represent an entire nation. However, most I talk to, and flyers with SKY (considered the best three) university tutors (fake lololol), tell me my opinion at least carries some weight.
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On July 17 2009 01:15 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Flawed reasoning, but Koreans (the parents, especially the mother, aka a-jum-mas) think good university=good in everything, bad university=fail in life).
A guy who did well in 2nd-rate univerity courses won't have problems teaching these classes...
well then to hell with this so-called opportunity.
if we have to cater to their culture in order to teach there then they should return the favor and leave their prejudice at the airport.
no deal -- i'm qualified and will have the time to do it but i will not be going over there for that. and when they ask themselves why there aren't so many who came to help teach their children they will hopefully realize this mistake of theirs and change their ways.
[/diplomatic view]
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Hey, is it specifically USA only, might they make exceptions?
That runs right into my uni holidays, and I would probs be a damn good candidate.
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You're right, it probably wouldn't matter but given the salary I expect they can pick who they want and they clearly want people from the powerhouse US technical colleges.
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On July 17 2009 01:34 Fen wrote:
Hey, is it specifically USA only, might they make exceptions?
That runs right into my uni holidays, and I would probs be a damn good candidate.
If you're really interested, I suggest you contact them personally.
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Does anybody have a website with this program, or more info? A google search on Byungjin Hakwon doesn't turn up much (sadly, this post is the #1 hit). Also, who uses gmail for business purposes?
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A quick search on Naver (a popular Korean site) doesn't turn up any results either.
I usually don't use it so I'm not sure though...
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Thanks for the info. I might look into it.
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if someone is interested in this then he should ask for more information about the organization and ask to speak to this guys superior. gmail account as only contact information provided = suspicious.
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Ok i sent in my resume and cover letter, we will see if I qualify ^^
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He will need a bank account number and ss# to deposit your money.
Edit
What I meant is:while I sure hope this is legit, please make sure you get signifficantly more info before sending any personal info to some random gmail address.
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16987 Posts
On July 17 2009 03:03 citi.zen wrote:
He will need a bank account number and ss# to deposit your money.
Edit
What I meant is:while I sure hope this is legit, please make sure you get signifficantly more info before sending any personal info to some random gmail address.
Nah, just an acct. and a routing number 
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MURICA15980 Posts
On July 17 2009 01:04 micronesia wrote:
I don't totally understand why they want people from top US Universities teaching classes to prepare for SATs, APs, etc. I would think people with some knowledge of how to help others learn that material would be more important than if they got a 1600 or 1500 on their original SATs.
The guy is implying that 'highly qualified instructors' means 'knows the material well'.
Yeah, unfortunately, this is how the world works. And even more so in Korea.
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Highly Qualified in educational terms technically means you need to have a state approved certification to teach certain subject. I assume that's what he mean. Unless he's just using the term untechnically.
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Lol, I used to go to a international school in korea, and half of the student body spent their money and time in places like these.
These are spoiled dumb rich brats, you don't have to be too good to teach these guys at all.
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That said I have no doubt this position pays extremely well.
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Going for my bachelor of education in sept, I'd hop on a plane and go right away, especially in recession.
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If anyone could actually verify that the organization is legitimate, that would be great. I submitted an application to the guy's gmail account, hopefully I'll get some information back. Anyways, the main thing that worries me are the 5 weekend full day sessions to learn Korean culture. If the letter is a scam, then that's where I'd expect there to be some fees to attend these sessions and then no actual follow up.
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i heard the famous lecturers in korea get paid 4 million usd a year
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Instructors must be citizens of the Republic of Korea or of the United
States.
French holding a green card isn't ok ?
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Ok i got a reply from the guy in korea after I sent out my resume and all that
+ Show Spoiler +
Dear Mr. Shen,
Thank you for your interest. Your credentials are impressive indeed. Could you please respond with the following information at your earliest convenience? Since I have already started to receive many applications, the earlier the better (within 3 days from now would be good). I plan to conduct phone interviews with instructor candidates in early August and to have our teaching staff lined up by the end of August. I have also included more information below about our program.
(1) An up-to-date resume or CV. Please include your educational and professional history. (You already did this.)
(2) A list of all scores on your SAT and SAT subject tests, AP exams, and national-level math and science exams. If you are hired, we will ask for official transcripts from the testing authorities, so please be complete and accurate.
(3) An unofficial transcript of your undergraduate and (if applicable) graduate academic records. If you are hired, we will ask for official transcripts from your universities, so please be complete and accurate.
(4) Any relevant math or science awards or accomplishments.
(5) A description of your teaching and tutoring experience. Please be specific about the background of the students, the subject, and the outcomes of the experiences.
(6) Names and contact information of two references. References must be over the age of 18, cannot be related to you, and must be able to attest to your teaching ability. For example, they can be a former student of yours, a parent of a former student, a peer teacher, or a professor with whom you've taught. We may or may not contact your references.
(7) Which subjects would you be interested in teaching and at what level? We will offer
SAT Subject: Math I, Math II, Biology E, Biology M, Chemistry, Physics
AP: Calculus AB, Calculus BC, Statistics, Biology, Chemistry, Computer Science A, Computer Science B, Physics B, Physics C Mechanics, Physics C Electricity & Magnetism.
(8) What is your citizenship? Do you hold a ROK or US passport that is valid until at least August 1, 2010 (six months beyond your expected departure from Korea)?
(9) Have you ever been convicted of a felony? If we hire you, we will request a background check, so please be complete.
(10) Have you ever been suspended or expelled from school? Please explain.
(11) Have you ever taken illegal drugs? Please explain.
(12) We are currently unable to offer health or travel insurance for instructors. However, we strongly prefer that instructors have insurance. Does your university's or family's insurance policy cover medical or travel emergencies while you are in Korea?
(13) If you are hired, we will ask you to sign a Non-Compete Agreement, in which you will agree not to work for any other company in Korea in the field of private education for a period of two years. Are you willing to accept these terms?
Our program is quite new; we have not yet recruited students. Byungjin Hakwon was created in May 2009 by Sang-Yung Kim, Dong-Suk Oh, and myself. Our goal is to provide motivated secondary school students in Korea with the highest quality American-educated instructors. Once we have our staff lined up by the end of August, we will unveil our website and begin recruiting students in Korea. All three of us have years of private tutoring experience and are excited to start our own hakwon (Korean tutoring program).
Our selection process for students will be quite rigorous. Students must have already taken the SAT and must have scored at least 700 on all three sections. Thus, you will be working with students who are aiming for the best American universities. As you may know, the Korean school year is offset from the American school year: it starts in March. Students will enroll in our program during their winter break (mid-December to early February) and would generally be planning to take the SAT Subject and AP exams in May/June 2010. The students would have already completed the appropriate subject in school, so our program serves as a review and supplement. Thus, you can assume that the students have already seen the material, but desire to improve their scores. We plan to accept 200 students into our program; each will be enrolled in two or three classes. We expect the vast majority of the students to apply for U.S. universities in Fall 2010 for entry in Fall 2011.
Instructors will teach about 20 hours per week from Monday to Saturday and are also expected to spend about 20-40 hours on their own time preparing for lessons and reviewing homework assignments. Each instructor will teach three sections (two of which will likely be exactly the same class taught with different students). You would thus teach three of the following five scheduling blocks, where "early morning" is the two-hour-and-fifteen-minute block 8:00-10:15, "late morning" is the block 10:30-12:45, and "afternoon" is the block 14:00-16:15:
(A) Monday/Wednesday/Friday early morning
(B) Monday/Wednesday/Friday late morning
(C) Monday/Wednesday/Friday afternoon
(D) Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday early morning
(E) Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday late morning
A particular section of a class would thus have 2.25 hours of class 3 times per week (6.75 hours per week), or 40.5 hours for the duration of the program. This gives you some idea of the pace in which you need to cover material. Other than class time and regular staff meetings, instructors are free to manage their own time.
Instructors will be housed in the dormitory of a local university, which we will lease. Classes will take place at our facility in eastern Seoul. Instructors are also provided with an allowance to use on the Seoul public transportation (bus and subway). Base pay (total of 31,800,000 Korean won for those with doctoral degrees or are doctoral degree candidates and 24,700,000 Korean won for those who are not) will be given three times (every two weeks) during the program. Bonuses, which will range from 0% to 30% of pay base, will be based on weekly student/peer instructor/supervisor evaluations and student exam performance in May/June 2010 and will be awarded in one package in August 2010. We encourage instructors to take time off on Sundays to explore Korea and to experience our culture.
The instructor training program in Fall 2009 will be held as follows:
Day 1 (A Saturday in September): Introduction to Byungjin Hakwon
Day 2 (A Saturday in October): Introduction to Korean Language, Culture and Education
Day 3 (A Saturday in October): Logistics of the Program
Day 4 (A Saturday in November): Work on Lesson Plans and Handouts I
Day 5 (A Saturday in November): Work on Lesson Plans and Handouts II
These sessions will take place simultaneously in San Francisco, Boston, and New York and will be teleconferenced with one another. Other than these sessions, there will be no preparation expected of you before you arrive in Korea.
I hope this sounds like an exciting opportunity to you. I must warn you, however, that the academic environment in Korea, especially for students preparing to enter university, is extremely intense. I hope you are well-prepared to handle this. In fact, our program is dedicated to helping students develop a balanced lifestyle that includes family and social life, athletics, and hobbies in addition to a devotion to hard work and academics. I hope our instructors will help instill these values as well. We may invite our most successful instructors to come back and join us in our year-round private tutoring practice. As you may know, tutoring in Korea is a lucrative industry, where the very best tutors can earn in excess of USD 1,000 per hour.
Please let me know if you have any further questions. I look forward to your response.
Sincerely,
Hyun-Won Park, Ph.D.
Curriculum Development Director
Byungjin Hakwon
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Seems pretty legit to me.
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Osaka27149 Posts
Our program is quite new; we have not yet recruited students. I wouldnt quit your day job for it.
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ya lol i'm thinking about the same thing
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On July 17 2009 11:28 Shivaz wrote:
Seems pretty legit to me.
To me too. He seems to be following the standard procedure well. (In particular, asking for the criminal background check......which is required by Korean law for foreign teachers but often ignored by dodgy hagwons)
edit: ah! agree with mani....
hmmm.. maybe this is one of those budding, hopeful hagwons that is actually legit but crashes and burns...... (there are many of these in Korea.... )
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On July 17 2009 11:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
Our program is quite new; we have not yet recruited students. I wouldnt quit your day job for it.
I thought the number of students seeking tutors in Japan and Korea waaaaaaaaaaaaaay outnumber the tutors.
So this point isn't even worth thinking about.
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Osaka27149 Posts
Think about the kind of capital they need to have up front if they are going to run training sessions in three major US cities, and promise that kind of money to teachers for that many courses. In addition they need to build their website, and they are giving themselves 4 months from website to the beginning of the session to get enough students.
On July 17 2009 11:37 psion0011 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2009 11:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
Our program is quite new; we have not yet recruited students. I wouldnt quit your day job for it. I thought the number of students seeking tutors in Japan and Korea waaaaaaaaaaaaaay outnumber the tutors. So this point isn't even worth thinking about.
This isn't true. And anyway, think about what this particular school is offering, and the type of students the are looking for before you say my point is worthless.
To be this confident either the market for high-end training in Seoul is booming, or they have a lot of contacts to pull in 200 students in 4 months. The program they describe looks like an extremely expensive one from the student's point of view. There are not that many students in my experience who are ready to jump to a top-tier American university with a 2 month prep course.
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On July 17 2009 11:37 psion0011 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2009 11:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
Our program is quite new; we have not yet recruited students. I wouldnt quit your day job for it. I thought the number of students seeking tutors in Japan and Korea waaaaaaaaaaaaaay outnumber the tutors. So this point isn't even worth thinking about.
Yes, but there are 2350925092 English academies/hagwons which cater for the students. Everyone is jumping on the ESL bandwagon these days so Mani's concern that the hagwon might not get enough students is very very on point. There are many teachers who have been screwed because their hagwons collapsed (due to insufficient student enrollment) and their bosses couldn't pay them.
This hagwon is also targeting the elite of the rich students in Seoul. I don't know what the market for that is like... it seems the students(' mums) are going to have to pay a fortune for this course.
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Any letter sounds good or advertisement... w/e but I wouldn't trust anything until I have solid feedback from someone I know.
I've heard too many stories about non-governmental companies screwing over teachers overseas.
I'm not saying that this is a scam but I don't think one should be so naive to jump into this without more research since all you really have is a letter. More like an e-mail.
And Korean reasoning really does bother me when it comes to education because for example, every Korean person I've ever met has never heard of schools like the University of Chicago =\
When that university has like the biggest impact on Business Economics then almost every other university in the world and that's not Ivy League but that wouldn't matter to this guys like this I presume. Another school off the top of my head that I've never heard Koreans talk about is HEC Paris, an elite business school that consistently outranks Ivy League schools.
I'm not saying that no Korean has ever heard of those schools but it bothers me even when when Westerners have that certain mindset that only Ivy League Schools and Stanford and MIT are the only elite schools in the world or something.
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
You have to be very, very, very careful about who you choose to work for here. Just check Dave's ESL Cafe (the biggest ESL forum online.) for stories of scams/bad employers/dodgy recruiters etc. As someone who has worked here for two years (as a private school English teacher.) now my best advice to anyone who gets an offer/finds an email like this is to research the hell out of it before even thinking about signing anything. Also to be very clued up on visa law for Korea (E-2 is the appropriate English language teaching visa for foreigners.) and also know where your embassy is/how to contact immigration.
I'm not trying to scare anyone off, but I speak from experience when I say that jumping into teaching here in South korea without being very careful can be a very big mistake.
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On July 17 2009 11:44 Elric wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2009 11:37 psion0011 wrote:On July 17 2009 11:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
Our program is quite new; we have not yet recruited students. I wouldnt quit your day job for it. I thought the number of students seeking tutors in Japan and Korea waaaaaaaaaaaaaay outnumber the tutors. So this point isn't even worth thinking about. Yes, but there are 2350925092 English academies/hagwons which cater for the students. Everyone is jumping on the ESL bandwagon these days so Mani's concern that the hagwon might not get enough students is very very on point. There are many teachers who have been screwed because their hagwons collapsed (due to insufficient student enrollment) and their bosses couldn't pay them. This hagwon is also targeting the elite of the rich students in Seoul. I don't know what the market for that is like... it seems the students(' mums) are going to have to pay a fortune for this course.
I guess my information is a bit outdated. I just remember a time when it was basically a modern gold rush, so it'd make sense that it's now oversaturated with teachers.
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United States3824 Posts
You might want to fix that email so you don't get horse porn.
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hm... horse porn what is it?
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3861 Posts
So i look up 병진 (Byungjin) the school's name and find out that a lot of kids use that in replacement of 병신 ... which means idiots. LOL.
See if you can get a contact number. I'll give them a call if you want. I don't know why, but something doesn't sit well with me on this ad. Maybe they are legit, but... just something... For that short a time, sounds like an English camp of sorts, but even then, I can't see how they can pay that much.
Hm.
Also, I work at the Princeton Review in Korea which is considered one of the more prestigious US university hakwons (and then I work in the consulting dept of it) and even then - they do not pay that much.
Yeah, get me a contact number.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
When something sounds too good to be true, tread with care..
- of note too, the OP has ten posts on tl.net, two of them in this thread, he posts an e-mail offer, that even he is not sure about: "I would hope it's not a scam."
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On July 17 2009 13:07 lilsusie wrote:
So i look up 병진 (Byungjin) the school's name and find out that a lot of kids use that in replacement of 병신 ... which means idiots. LOL.
See if you can get a contact number. I'll give them a call if you want. I don't know why, but something doesn't sit well with me on this ad. Maybe they are legit, but... just something... For that short a time, sounds like an English camp of sorts, but even then, I can't see how they can pay that much.
Hm.
Also, I work at the Princeton Review in Korea which is considered one of the more prestigious US university hakwons (and then I work in the consulting dept of it) and even then - they do not pay that much.
Yeah, get me a contact number.
Really? I thought those hakwons must be making money hand over fist, because even as a high schooler I was making 35,000 won / hr tutoring kids for SAT.
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3861 Posts
Working as a private tutor is different from working in an actual hakwon. if you were hired as a HS student at a hakwon paid that much, the place is not very legit, as it is, by law, you need a college degree to teach English here.
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On July 17 2009 13:39 Aphelion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2009 13:07 lilsusie wrote:
So i look up 병진 (Byungjin) the school's name and find out that a lot of kids use that in replacement of 병신 ... which means idiots. LOL.
See if you can get a contact number. I'll give them a call if you want. I don't know why, but something doesn't sit well with me on this ad. Maybe they are legit, but... just something... For that short a time, sounds like an English camp of sorts, but even then, I can't see how they can pay that much.
Hm.
Also, I work at the Princeton Review in Korea which is considered one of the more prestigious US university hakwons (and then I work in the consulting dept of it) and even then - they do not pay that much.
Yeah, get me a contact number. Really? I thought those hakwons must be making money hand over fist, because even as a high schooler I was making 35,000 won / hr tutoring kids for SAT.
I'm making just above minimum wage for England (my job is a hagwon/playschool kindergarten teacher.) so we're really not raking it in with the current exchange rate. However, because lunch and dinner are free for me and transporation is cheap as well as paying a very low rent $380 per month with television/internet/laundry and food included. I'm saving a lot (or I would be if I didn't spend all my wages on sandwiches and camera stuff.)
You can make a lot more if you teach illegally, but I'd never do that.
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I say go for it, especially if the pay is good and it isn't too long, doesn't really look like you have to make any big life changes, so go get your amazing amounts of money for 6 weeks of work.
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I was never serious about this when i send in my resume, i was just wondering if this is legit, cause this is just too good. It basically allows me to pay off half my loan from graduate school in just 6 weeks. (Obama paid the other half ) But yeah not worth giving up my day job for. I will ask for a phone number thou. What should i tell him to ask a phone number? just straight up saying i'm ganna investigate the legitimacy of your company? He already said he will call me for an phone interview after i email him the list of information. so i can't say let me call to find out more information about you guys.
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3861 Posts
"Could you send me a contact phone number? Where in Korea are you located? I understand that there are many different hakwons in Korea and I would like to do some research about your institution."
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care they might abduct you haha :D
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"There are not that many students in my experience who are ready to jump to a top-tier American university with a 2 month prep course."
I'd kind of agree with this... in China we have this school called "New Oriental", which is the premere export school (i.e. u go in, u get exported to U.S. for college) and people barely make it to top U.S. schools. Maybe 4,5 people each year out of the many
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On July 17 2009 00:42 boezou wrote:
We prefer students at top U.S. universities, such as the
Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, etc.
I lol'd at this. Bit too much though.
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in his reply i quoted, he said that the school is located in East Seoul, teachers will be staying at some local university dorm.
I requested for a phone number, and I tell him i would like to do more research about the institute. by the way, on the reply i quoted He also said something about he had a lot of experience on this kind of work, maybe ask him about his past experience and if he can offer any reference on places he worked. Not sure what else I would ask if i call, susie can figure something out
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On July 17 2009 15:02 epicdoom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2009 00:42 boezou wrote:
We prefer students at top U.S. universities, such as the
Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, etc.
I lol'd at this. Bit too much though.
also city colleges, they have some of the best around
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I don't trust this at all >_>
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On July 17 2009 15:02 epicdoom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2009 00:42 boezou wrote:
We prefer students at top U.S. universities, such as the
Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, etc.
I lol'd at this. Bit too much though.
I think maybe teachers background is part of his advertisement to get students to pay more
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Also something that makes me wonder if he is in fact an experienced educator. For one, people don't really ask a certified teacher for his/her SAT score, they ask for the State educational certification test scores . Second, the qualifications he asked have a lot to do with Content knowledge, (example SAT scores, AP test scores, they use these to see if the teacher knows the stuffs he/she is going to be teaching) but nothing about pedagogy ( how the teach present the content knowledge to the students), nor student management ( Can I spank them if they are bad? ). Especially, considering he's targets are people who are not certified in teaching. I am guessing he has the entire curriculum planed out and teachers have very little freedom to change anything. (good for those who have no training in teaching) Maybe when sussie call him (if he in fact gives me a phone number) ask him about what kind of text, if it is a scripted curriculum.
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I've gotten scams and phishers from my university's mailing lists as well.
This doesn't sound immediately illegitimate. If you're qualified, correspond with the guy and see how it goes. Then take it from there.
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as long as their standards arent too high : (
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
My UCLA friend worked at a tutoring institute once. The owner of the place kept asking for his Cornell Flag he got from me so he eventually brought it to his workplace. The day he brought it the owner suddenly brings like 5 parent customers and says "LOL MY EMPLOYEE IZ FROM CORNELL HOW AWESOME ARE WE"
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On July 17 2009 18:13 MrHoon wrote:
My UCLA friend worked at a tutoring institute once. The owner of the place kept asking for his Cornell Flag he got from me so he eventually brought it to his workplace. The day he brought it the owner suddenly brings like 5 parent customers and says "LOL MY EMPLOYEE IZ FROM CORNELL HOW AWESOME ARE WE"
Sadly, totally understandable...
Isn't it quite easy to forge diplomas? There was a scandal with a professor here some years ago.
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im a bit confused as to why he signs with a gmail account when he obviously should have some bad ass university email. Feels a bit unserious.
Edit: Also, i dont know about your countries, but in Sweden a job ad would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER start with how much payment you would recieve. That wouldnt even be discussed until you were taken in for an interview.
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I got my reply after my email asking for an phone number, apparently Recruiter Dr. Park visits teamliquid.net
+ Show Spoiler +Dear Mr. Shen,
I do not appreciate you posting messages about my program on Internet forums, especially while the hiring process is underway. We will not continue with your application.
Please remove your messages within 24 hours, or I will contact either the site administrators or local law enforcement.
Regards,
Hyun-Won
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On July 20 2009 03:08 rei wrote:I got my reply after my email asking for an phone number, apparently Recruiter Dr. Park visits teamliquid.net + Show Spoiler +Dear Mr. Shen,
I do not appreciate you posting messages about my program on Internet forums, especially while the hiring process is underway. We will not continue with your application.
Please remove your messages within 24 hours, or I will contact either the site administrators or local law enforcement.
Regards,
Hyun-Won
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are you sure this wasn't all just a mega troll or something
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On July 20 2009 03:34 Perguvious wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2009 03:08 rei wrote:I got my reply after my email asking for an phone number, apparently Recruiter Dr. Park visits teamliquid.net + Show Spoiler +Dear Mr. Shen,
I do not appreciate you posting messages about my program on Internet forums, especially while the hiring process is underway. We will not continue with your application.
Please remove your messages within 24 hours, or I will contact either the site administrators or local law enforcement.
Regards,
Hyun-Won >____________________> are you sure this wasn't all just a mega troll or something
thats what i am thinking now too, if it is true amazing troll...
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There is a different between trolling, and scamming. Perhaps you guys mean that this guy is so obviously scamming that he must be trolling, which does seem like it on the last reply to me, but before that last reply he didn't give any evidences of trolling, only evidence of scamming.
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Or maybe the guy is really serious and smart... maybe he just googled some of the info thinking that some would ask on the internet about info. The first result is this thread...
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If this is not a scam/fake the pay is quite good, for 6 weeks + the five all-weekenders too bad I have no knowledge whatsoever in maths/sciences xD
Too bad he found out that it got posted on tl, though :D
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Our selection process for students will be quite rigorous. Students must have already taken the SAT and must have scored at least 700 on all three sections.
I whistled at that.
Getting 700 in all three especially given how subjective the written portion can be is a pretty tall order.
I still have yet to see a college actually ask for the written part of the SAT scores... they still don't care about them.
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On July 20 2009 03:08 rei wrote:I got my reply after my email asking for an phone number, apparently Recruiter Dr. Park visits teamliquid.net + Show Spoiler +Dear Mr. Shen,
I do not appreciate you posting messages about my program on Internet forums, especially while the hiring process is underway. We will not continue with your application.
Please remove your messages within 24 hours, or I will contact either the site administrators or local law enforcement.
Regards,
Hyun-Won
Ouch, we seem to have a bit of a stalker or a TLer within the recruiting team.... (in which I would lol if someone from this program actually follows SC PLs and visit TL often :D)
But in any case, I read and follow thru the entire thread process and pretty much, I gotta say, unless you are REALLY committed and be willing to do some hardcore "no-life" working work for some good money in a short period of time, then this is the best way to go. You pretty much have nothing else to do but plan plan plan, teach teach teach, and all once you get into this program and become an instructor. Based on my own experiences as a 6-month English teacher of the program they have in Korea to recruit college students from US, GB, Aussie, NZ (TaLK), I was pretty stuck having to plan, teach, and take care of my students the entire day everyday barely enough to do anything else and all (except on weekends). After my term ended, I realized I'm not doing this sort of stuff anymore or at least not for a while unless my mindset and motivation doing these type of work improves but yea, it is indeed hard imo to teach people when you never taught before.
Also imo, all korean hawgons or programs really do expect the best of the best they can find in terms of obtaining instructors from the best educational background. Why, in that english program I did, when I revealed and stated I was from George Washington University, the staff were amazed and like the local newspaper reporter came to me to ask for an interview and I was like "wtf?" (Sadly, like someone did mention, other school rank higher or similar to like GWU, such as Syracuse or even Carnegie Mellon, they never heard of nor care...)
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Well, this thread didn't go well.
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LOL. that's all I gotta say. How can they be taken seriously without even a proper website up? Unless they are some elusive, super secret, only the best of the best can apply hakwon (that later tells you to drink cups of kool-aid for initiation).
Most Korean hakwons DO post a price of how much they will pay. And it's by law that one has a university degree (they ask for transcripts and the degree itself now). But yeah.. No phone number, using a gmail account and no website = scam, in my book.
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Best part about it is that they want people from Ivy or Semi-Ivy schools. So OBVIOUSLY someone with a teaching degree from a state university, who has gone through proper training to become a teacher is not as good as some Enginerd from MIT. RIIIIIIGHT.
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Westerners laugh at similar advertisements like these when Asian countries have prestigious tutoring institutes and laugh at the fact that they want teachers with 700+ SAT and ivy league school schooling. This is in fact is not asking for alot, these are people who have an intense dedication for academics and want people who have displayed similar results, people who have achieved marks and can influence likewise to learning students so that they may also have positive ramifications.
When i visit Korea and visit their hakwons, most of their teachers are over the top people who are probably the smartest teachers i have ever met and probably a hundred times smarter than my teachers here in Vancouver.
They do not want some Joe who barely slipped by and got a university degree they want people who are extremely smart, dedicated and have a vast background of education.
These expecattions which may seem silly to you are actually not silly at all. If you wanted to go to university of Seoul would u not want a teacher who got perfect in his/her entrance exam and was smart and dedicated to teach you?
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im glad i went for like half a year tops and i never ever will go.
i feel sorry for the kids in korea tbh they have it so much worse
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im doing hakwon all summer 9-5 and personally its fucking....exhilirating (h&k go to guantanomo bay)
Actually your right its pretty gay.
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google up 'hagwon blacklist' and read some of the stories and incidents that come up lols
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On July 20 2009 03:08 rei wrote:I got my reply after my email asking for an phone number, apparently Recruiter Dr. Park visits teamliquid.net + Show Spoiler +Dear Mr. Shen,
I do not appreciate you posting messages about my program on Internet forums, especially while the hiring process is underway. We will not continue with your application.
Please remove your messages within 24 hours, or I will contact either the site administrators or local law enforcement.
Regards,
Hyun-Won
i AM the law! so far no call though
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On July 20 2009 10:21 MuffiN wrote:
Westerners laugh at similar advertisements like these when Asian countries have prestigious tutoring institutes and laugh at the fact that they want teachers with 700+ SAT and ivy league school schooling. This is in fact is not asking for alot, these are people who have an intense dedication for academics and want people who have displayed similar results, people who have achieved marks and can influence likewise to learning students so that they may also have positive ramifications.
When i visit Korea and visit their hakwons, most of their teachers are over the top people who are probably the smartest teachers i have ever met and probably a hundred times smarter than my teachers here in Vancouver.
They do not want some Joe who barely slipped by and got a university degree they want people who are extremely smart, dedicated and have a vast background of education.
These expecattions which may seem silly to you are actually not silly at all. If you wanted to go to university of Seoul would u not want a teacher who got perfect in his/her entrance exam and was smart and dedicated to teach you?
People who are qualified to teach and also happened to do extremely well on various assessments are indeed more desirable, but I dare say that many, if not most of the people who do extremely well on these assessments are inferior instructors of that material in general.
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"doing extremely well on various assessments" is merely content knowledge, any teacher with a degree is likely to know a lot more on their subject than the students, regardless if that teacher did extremely well on various assessments.
On the other hand pedagogy is art of teaching, which is how teacher transfer their knowledge, wisdoms and critical thinking ability to the students. So if a teacher have extensive content knowledge but did not go through proper training and development in their pedagogy, they can not fully help their students and transfer their knowledge wisdoms and critical thinking ability to the students.
Both are equally important, teaching is a live time of learning
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