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LRM)TechnicS
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PaeZ
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On June 21 2009 10:26 iamtt1 wrote: i regret watching that video Yeah it has strong content, however I have seen that in real life (Im a medical student so.. yeah), however its good that these videos are going public so that people all over the planet can see the atrocities Iran goverment is doing, fucking pricks. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
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{CC}StealthBlue
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MamiyaOtaru
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They'll see a losing faction resort to violence. The people were given a choice, and a group of them were unhappy when more people chose the other option. Are certain governments going to think "stuff this, better not give them the choice". I mean in 2004 how many people were threatening to move to Canada if Bush won? How many wingnuts are super pissed with Obama in office? Give people a choice, and the ones on the losing side are going to be unhappy. If Ahmadinejad did win, the situation in Iran is the worst advertisement for democracy possible. | ||
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TT1
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
On June 21 2009 12:14 MamiyaOtaru wrote: Think for a moment what the ramifications are if Ahmadinejad did in fact win. Who's going to want democracy in their country now? If his win was faked, these riots are the fault of his (or his backers') cheating. But if he did win like a few pre-election polls seemed to predict, what will his tell non democratic countries about democracy? They'll see a losing faction resort to violence. The people were given a choice, and a group of them were unhappy when more people chose the other option. Are certain governments going to think "stuff this, better not give them the choice". I mean in 2004 how many people were threatening to move to Canada if Bush won? How many wingnuts are super pissed with Obama in office? Give people a choice, and the ones on the losing side are going to be unhappy. If Ahmadinejad did win, the situation in Iran is the worst advertisement for democracy possible. this is no longer an issue of the election or democracy, but about survival for Iranians who defied the Ayatollah. its clear this whole fraud, and even the politics of Ahmadinejad, were orchestrated by the Ayatollah. all that stuff that happened with the "where's my vote" doesn't mean anything now. the Ayatollah gave word to every Iranian: if you don't accept the vote, you'll face consequences. the Ayatollah supporters are killing civilians without any hesitation now like it's their god given right. the "democratic" aspect of Iran's theocratic rule was a fucking fraud. all the Iranians who believed in it are getting massacred. | ||
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On June 21 2009 12:27 iamtt1 wrote: the only purpose of the election was to unite the people, apart from that whoever won or loss is pretty much meaningless, mousavi and ahmadinejad are both the same trash no I don't think so im pretty sure mousavi would move in the direction of relations with the west | ||
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[-Bluewolf-]
United States609 Posts
On June 21 2009 12:14 MamiyaOtaru wrote:They'll see a losing faction resort to violence. The people were given a choice, and a group of them were unhappy when more people chose the other option. Are certain governments going to think "stuff this, better not give them the choice". I mean in 2004 how many people were threatening to move to Canada if Bush won? How many wingnuts are super pissed with Obama in office? Not likely due to several reasons (as I live in America, I can only use that as an example). A) After election polls would likely come close to the results and there are independent pollsters (unlike the State supported ones in Iran). B) We release vote totals by precinct (we have tens of thousands of them), which makes it easier to verify the likely results in each area and figure out where variance occurred in the results. While one doesn't know who one voted for, the people who are registered to vote is available, and hence someone could theoretically verify a precincts results if they had that area's voluntary cooperation (ie. tons of citizens stating the results didn't make sense). C) If something did get this out of hand, I'd guess the government would just be transparent with the results and not keep the anonymous ballots hidden / locked up. Iran likely cannot due this as there are rumors the paper ballots were burned (simply showing them or making them available to a trusted independent group would likely crush this protest peacefully). D) I also do not believe if it was legit that a government would shut down cell phones, block web sites, and disable text messaging. After all, blocking the spread of information is usually only used when the truth is what one is trying to hide. By allowing people to communicate, they can better deduce whether there was fraud or not and stop the spread of mis-information as the election results are verified. | ||
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TT1
Canada10045 Posts
On June 21 2009 12:44 travis wrote: no I don't think so im pretty sure mousavi would move in the direction of relations with the west the mullahs(the islamic ruling class, i.e: ali khameni, i.e: a piece of shit) wouldnt let someone who doesnt share the same beliefs/values as them run in an election, hes just a puppet a real leader is one thats picked by the people only, not one that is picked by religious extremist edit: btw ali khameni has some sort of disease(i think its cancer but i dont know what type specifically) so hopefully he'll be dying soon | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On June 21 2009 12:57 iamtt1 wrote: the mullahs(the islamic ruling class, i.e: ali khameni, i.e: a piece of shit) wouldnt let someone who doesnt share the same beliefs/values as them run in an election, hes just a puppet a real leader is one thats picked by the people only, not one that is picked by religious extremist edit: btw ali khameni has some sort of disease(i think its cancer but i dont know what type specifically) so hopefully he'll be dying soon Considering his intentions and stances do you honestly think his successor will be any different. | ||
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Fr33t
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Canada10045 Posts
On June 21 2009 13:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Considering his intentions and stances do you honestly think his successor will be any different. i didnt fully understand your question but what i ment was in order for the people to live freely they have to overthrow the islamic regime, until this regime is in place whoever is president at that time wouldnt matter | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
I will participate in the demonstrations tomorrow. Maybe they will turn violent. Maybe I will be one of the people who is going to get killed. I have to call my friends as well to say goodbye. All I have are two bookshelves which I told my family who should receive them. I’m two units away from getting my bachelors degree but who cares about that. My mind is very chaotic. I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism. This note is dedicated to tomorrow’s children. Translated from anonymous Iranian Woman, 06/19/09 This is heavy stuff man... | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On June 21 2009 13:17 keV. wrote: Saw this in a friends away message, not sure if it has been posted I will participate in the demonstrations tomorrow. Maybe they will turn violent. Maybe I will be one of the people who is going to get killed. I have to call my friends as well to say goodbye. All I have are two bookshelves which I told my family who should receive them. I’m two units away from getting my bachelors degree but who cares about that. My mind is very chaotic. I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism. This note is dedicated to tomorrow’s children. Translated from anonymous Iranian Woman, 06/19/09 This is heavy stuff man... Damn... | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On June 21 2009 13:26 iamtt1 wrote: stealth you should seriously email this thread to cnn, awesome work Eh not really, a lot of the stuff can be found elsewhere... for example, that last post was pretty much ripped from here. | ||
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