Tomorrow is Saturday. Tomorrow is a day of destiny.

Tonight, the cries of Allah-o Akbar are heard louder and louder than the nights before.

Where is this place? Where is this place where every door is closed? Where is this place where people are simply calling God? Where is this place where the sound of Allah-o Akbar gets louder and louder?

I wait every night to see if the sounds will get louder and whether the number increases. It shakes me. I wonder if God is shaken.

Where is this place that where so many innocent people are entrapped? Where is this place where no one comes to our aid? Where is this place that only with our silence we are sending our voices to the world? Where is this place that the young shed blood and then people go and pray -- standing on that same blood and pray. Where is this place where the citizens are called vagrants?

Where is this place? You want me to tell you? This place is Iran. The homeland of you and me.
This place is Iran.

Glaucus

479 Posts

June 20 2009 05:34 GMT

#503

Human rights don't matter. If they feel there are not enough protesters and they have not enough support from the general public they will use any means necessary to quell this uprising. You don't have to mow down that many people to rout hundred thousands of peaceful protesters. And once you have cleaned the streets and terroristed the civilians you can keep the streets clean, arrest ringleaders and execute them.

In the Tiananmen Square protests soldiers were switching sides and they still choose to kill 2000 to 10000. And it worked out great. It payed off bigtime. Anyone who wants to hang unto power will do the same in a heartbeat.

So now it's a matter of judgment. Does Mousavi sent people out to die on the street? Or is he sure he can win? Is Khamenei sure he has enough power to kill many many protesters or is it just a bluff? It's hard for us to estimate how they estimate their odds. This is all chapter 1 of Sun Tsu.

But even if Khamenei coms out on top after causing so much bloodshed, he still has problems. Deng Xiaoping did away with the dogmatic hawks and reformed himself. He realized that communist isolationism was very bad for the prosperity of China.
The current regime is also very bad for the prosperity of Iran. Khamenei will hae to reform himself as well. But how is he going to do that with a dogmatic hawk like Nejad?

Thing is, Khamenei is a religious leader foremost while Deng Xiaoping wasn't. And we all know religious people have problems with their judgment. But then again, Khamenei never was very interested in religion itself. So maybe he has enough sense to sacrifice religion for power.

Last Romantic

United States20667 Posts

June 20 2009 06:09 GMT

#504

Unlike the Chinese, the Iranian mindset will adopt martyrdom to fuel the fire for additional protest; do not expect the movement to die out even in the face of massive bloodshed.

broz0rs

United States2294 Posts

June 20 2009 06:26 GMT

#505

On June 20 2009 13:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oM6l9PO6Yo

Show nested quote +

man, this one got to me. one can't imagine how fearful everyone must be, but it looks like the movement is going to carry on.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

June 20 2009 06:42 GMT

#506

motbob

United States12546 Posts

June 20 2009 07:50 GMT

#507

I think by the end of today we'll know who will come out ahead in this conflict.

Hans-Titan

Denmark1711 Posts

June 20 2009 09:53 GMT

#508

On June 20 2009 16:50 motbob wrote:
I think by the end of today we'll know who will come out ahead in this conflict.

I've been saying that to myself for quite some time now, but it keeps escalating.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

June 20 2009 19:22 GMT

#509

All hell is breaking lose. Mousavi is also reported to have said he is ready for Martyrdom.

Omid07 says Basij base burned by protesters at Navab St. (South Tehran)

Omid007 says: Security Forces attacked Khomeini Hospital to arrest injured protesters, it is said at least 30 injured are there...

clashes have intensified in tehran, shiraz and isfahan (via @behzadbeh) #iranelection

an hour ago: chants and gunshots can be heard on the roofs (via @behzadbeh) #iranelection

Rumors: 4 more protesters killed in Tehran yesterday (via @behzadbeh) #iranelection

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

June 20 2009 19:30 GMT

#510

I doubt all of these are from the 20th.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

June 20 2009 21:56 GMT

#511

Apparently Militia are now shooting protesters

it was a nightmare, I can barely breath & my face is burning, Masood got shot in the arm & Shayan's brother is missing

FB friend says: Iran source: there is a military tank in Azadi Square.

they weren't just the ordinary police or motorcycle riot guard, they were soldiers holding MP5 supported by reinforced military cars

we didn't realize for a moment they started shooting at people, the gun's sound was like a toy gun, not loud & the soliders were smiling

Street War

Pika Chu

Romania2510 Posts

June 20 2009 23:23 GMT

#512

So the army got mobilized with orders to repress the riots?

broz0rs

United States2294 Posts

June 20 2009 23:38 GMT

#513

"sticks and stones may break my bones, but my gun will fucking kill you"

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

June 21 2009 00:19 GMT

#514

Apparently there has already been a martyr as well as a curfew set.

I didn't believe in acid from choppers, but many around the Farsi web talking about it! what the hell is those bastards thinking?!

Neda your death will not be in vain #iranelection

One martyr confirmed in Shiraz via @iranbaan #iranelection

Hanyeh Yousefian from the Mousavi camp in Shiraz (sister of Reza Yousefian, former parliament member) arrested via @iranbaan #iranelection

City outside of Tehran:

TT1

Canada10095 Posts

June 21 2009 00:22 GMT

#515

dirty mother fuckers.. its easy to fucking walk around with your guns shooting unarmed people,
soon the people your shooting are going to get weapons too and then we'll see how big your balls are

TT1

Canada10095 Posts

June 21 2009 00:27 GMT

#516

this is just sick.. i honestly felt my heart dropping in my chest
*very graphic video..

the people around her are yelling please stay alive

foeffa

Belgium2115 Posts

June 21 2009 01:09 GMT

#517

Ugh :s

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

June 21 2009 01:14 GMT

#518

It seems as of right now that the Hezbollah militia and IRG are the ones attacking and meeting the protests, the "Army" has yet to make a move.

shame on our national army if IRG is really moving tanks & armor inside Tehran & they still do nothing

lots of rumors about moving TANKS to Azadi Sq in Tehran... Can anyone confirm in Iran? #IranElection

PaeZ

Mexico1627 Posts

June 21 2009 01:14 GMT

#519

Holly shit, those bastards in Iran are really losing control, sending the army, tanks and choppers with freaking acid? wtf is wrong!! Hope the protesters keep this fight.. they cant give up now :S

TT1

Canada10095 Posts

June 21 2009 01:26 GMT

#520

i regret watching that video