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Last Edited: 2009-06-11 05:11:42
June 09 2009 15:24 GMT
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How To Buy Your First Guitar



Introduction
This guide is for people who are thinking about starting guitar, but aren’t sure what to buy or what they are really getting into.

It is assumed that you know at least a little bit about guitars (what they look like, etc.). I will explain most of the terms, but if you are completely new, take a second to browse wikipedia for background information.



There are three things you need to figure out, before you do anything
1) What kind of music do you like?
2) How serious are you about practicing?
3) What is your budget?

While you are thinking about those things, I’ll explain some of the basics:


Required Gear
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A guitar alone isn't enough, you'll probably want everything on this list:
1) A case – Essential unless you never move
2) Extra strings – These are cheaper in bulk (I’m talking like 60-80% cheaper), so buy them in bulk. Replacing them at least a couple times a year will make your guitar sound way better
3) A capo – This is a cheap and worthwhile investment that lasts a lifetime
4) Picks – Get a ton since they are dirt cheap and can make a difference
5) Books/DVDs – For chord/scale reference. Don’t rely on websites, if it’s not convenient you won’t practice. You can also download them, if you are broke or lack morals
6) Humidifier – Get this if you buy an expensive solid wood acoustic
7) Lessons – Consider this unless you are Jimi Hendrix II
8) Inspiration (CDs/etc.) – I recommend getting/downloading some live concerts of RHCP, John Mayer, Pink Floyd, etc. These are great for inspiration when you don’t want to practice. If you watch anime, start watching K-On!
9) Tuner – Convenient thing to have unless you have perfect pitch
10) Guitar Stand – This will keep your guitar in good condition, and it allows you to just sit down and pick up your guitar. I guarantee you will practice more often if you buy one of these

And this is only for acoustic (electric guitar gear is covered in the electric guitar section).



If you are super anal about money, the absolute bare minimum list is the following
- A guitar (200+ dollars)
- A case (30+ dollars)
- A capo (10-20 bucks for something lifetime investment that saves you hundreds of thousands of hours of learning songs is worthwhile IMO)
- One replacement set of strings for when you need to change your strings. Not “if,” but “when”

You can make picks out of old credit cards, CDs, or DVDs if you need one.


Acoustic Vs. Electric
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Acoustic
Pros
- Can fit almost any price range
- Portable
- Clear and clean sound
- Simple setup, comfortable to play
- "Easier" to play (if you just want to strum chords)
- Sounds great for unaccompanied solo performances
- Perfect for finger picking songs
- Your parents will approve
- Girls dig it

Cons
- Cannot play certain kinds of music
- Steel strings will be hard on your fingers for the first few months
- Needs additional equipment if you want to perform
- Can be damaged by water/humidy/collisions/etc.



Electric
Pros
- Can play basically all kinds of music
- Great for bands
- Can easily run performances
- Allows you to perform a wide range of guitar techniques that aren't possible on acoustic
- Allows you to use sound effects
- Wide range of sounds, from clean to distorted to alien-like
- Can reach almost any volume
- Easier on your fingers than acoustic (even if you are doing things like tapping)
- Somewhat more durable than acoustic guitars
- White girls dig it

Cons
- Expensive
- Not very portable
- Complicated for beginners
- Takes a long time to master, or even to sound decent
- Doesn't really sound good by itself (you need backing music) unless you are a BAMF



Classical guitar is something else entirely, but it's somewhat similar to acoustic guitar (in terms of Pros/Cons)



Acoustic and Electric both take an equally long time to master…

HOWEVER, you can sound good on Acoustics much faster than you will sound good on Electrics. With acoustics, after 1-2 months of solid practice, you will sound decent. Once you learn open chords, you can basically strum any song ever written if you have a capo. Electrics take years of practice before you will really sound good. Strumming doesn’t fit well with the sound of electric guitars unless you incorporate some difficult right hand technique. Take this into consideration when evaluating your own practice schedule.

Read the detailed descriptions below, and make your own decision (about Acoustic vs. Electric guitars).


Acoustic Guitars
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An acoustic guitar is made of wood and produces sound naturally without electronics. The sound comes from the wooden soundboard inside the actual guitar itself, and they don't have any kind of circuits unless you get one with embedded pickups (even these still produce sound without the electronics activated). The body of the guitar amplifies the sound to a decent volume, but it is still too quiet for large audiences without electronics.

The advantage of acoustic guitars is that they produce an extremely clean sound. The sound from a crappy acoustic is still cleaner than the cleanest clean setting of any top-grade electric guitar/amp. If you like classical, folk, country, old-school blues, etc., then get an acoustic guitar. For advanced players, harmonics tend to sound better on acoustics as well.

I don’t play classical guitars, but for an EVEN cleaner sound, get a classical guitar. These are meant to be played with fingers only, so grow out your nails or get special finger picks. I'm only going to focus on acoustic steel 6-string guitars, to be specific. Other guitars like 12 strings (even 7 or 11 string guitars) do exist but you most likely don't want to start with those.



The quality of sound from an acoustic guitar is determined by several factors:
1) The type of wood - Most guitars are made from spruce. Sitka spruce is considered the best, because of its deep and full sound. Cheap guitars use lower grade spruce (if the tag doesn’t say Sitka, it’s probably lower grade spruce). Some guitars are made from mahogany (these have a warmer sound, which is good for rhythm playing). Other exotic woods are rarely used; they are usually brighter sounding. Most guitars use more than one kind of wood (i.e. spruce front, but mahogany sides and fret board/neck). The wood on the front of the guitar produces most of the sound; so don’t worry too much about the sides or the fret board/neck. Mahogany is usually preferred for the fret board, since it is very hard and doesn’t wear easily.
2) The construction – laminated woods are more durable and are generally louder. Solid wood guitars (no laminate) have a deeper, rounder sound because the wood can vibrate more freely.
3) The shape and size – Large guitars typically sound better and louder, but are often harder to play and less comfortable. Look for “000” or “Auditorium” guitars if you want a small comfortable guitar. Look for dreadnaught guitars if you want a larger guitar. Some guitars have a “cutaway” which allows you to reach higher frets (it looks like a piece of the guitar is “cut out”). No matter what any salesman tells you, this DOES affect the sound. Don’t get a cutaway if you are just starting out, you won’t be touching those high frets for years.



What to look for in an acoustic guitar (when you are ready to buy):
1) Sound – Warmer, bass heavy sounds are good for strumming and rhythm playing. Brighter, treble heavy sounds are good for finger picking or solo/lead melodies.
2) Intonation – Play an open string, and then play the same string 12 frets up. Make sure they sound the same. Poor intonation will make your guitar sound out of tune, even if you are playing correctly.
3) Action – Action refers to how high above the fret board the strings are. A high action means you have to press down harder to make a note ring out. Beginners should look for the lowest possible action that doesn’t have buzz. See below.
4) Buzzing – play a note on every fret before buying a guitar. Make sure the strings are not “buzzing,” or hitting frets that they shouldn’t be hitting (due to poor construction). Cheaper guitars vary in quality, so try multiple guitars.
5) Size and feel – get a guitar that feels comfortable. There are many different neck and body shapes. I recommend a thin C-shape neck and a 000/Auditorium size guitar for new players
6) Wood quality – Quality wood such as Sitka spruce or ultra high-grade mahogany are preferred because they age well. As you play your guitar, the glue inside the guitar and the wood itself will loosen, and improve the sound. If you buy a cheap guitar with bad wood, this can actual make your guitar sound worse.



Recommend Guitars

Under 200 dollars:
-Yamaha acoustics (no acoustic-electrics)

200-500 dollars:
-Takamine G-series (best value IMO)
-Yamaha acoustics (no acoustic-electrics)
-Martin 00X (very good small guitar)

500-1000 dollars:
-Breedlove Guitars (almost all are good)
-Yamaha acoustic-electrics
-Epiphone Masterbilt (Hummingbirds are cheaper and also decent)

1000-2000+ dollars (if you are new, bring a knowledgeable friend when shopping in this range, every guitar will vary):
-Martins (warmer sound than Taylors)
-Taylors (brighter sound than Martins)
-Gibsons (loud and bright, but expensive)


Electric Guitars
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Electric guitars produce sound by inducing a current with magnetic pickups, and then sending the signal to an amplifier which turns the signal into an audible sound. The sound of an electric guitar is produced by the pickups of the guitar, the wood of the guitar (slightly), the preamp stages of your setup (pedals, preamps, effects, etc.), and the amplifier.

Distortion is caused by overloading your amplifier with high volume or gain. The amplifier will increase the guitar sounds by a certain amount, referred to as gain. If you set your gain to a high value, your sound will begin to distort as you start to reach the wattage limit of your amplifier. A clean channel has low gain. A dirty channel has high gain. There are many kinds of amps. For now, just get a combo amp (has the amp and a speaker together).

At minimum, to play electric guitar you must have an electric guitar, an instrument wire, and a combo amplifier. For those on a budget, remember that guitar and amplifier are equally important in terms of sound (amplifier is actually a little more important), but also consider that a guitar is a better long-term investment, since its better to get used to a guitar that you will play for years.



When buying an electric guitar, look for the following:
1) Pickups – Pickups determine 49% of the sound of the your guitar (another 49% comes from the amplifier, the rest comes from other things). Some pickups are really twangy and sound really bright (i.e. stock Fender Telecasters) and are great for blues or country. Some pickups are really rough and heavy sounding (i.e. stock Gibson Les Pauls) and are great for rock/metal. Some pickups are extremely sensitive (i.e. stock Ibanez guitars) and are great for heavy distortion. Some pickups are a mix of all of the above (i.e. stock Stratocasters). Also consider the difference between single coil, soapbox, and humbuckling pickups. Single coils are brighter and more responsive, but make unwanted noises sometimes. Soapbox pickups often sound jazzy and sparkly but sometimes don’t work that well with distortion. Humbuckling pickups reduce noise and are perfect for distortion and/or heavy playing (rock/metal/etc.). I won’t cover custom pickups because this a beginner guide
2) Body type – Look for solid body or hollow-body, basically. Hollow body gives a jazzier sound, great for… you guessed it, jazz. Solid body is for everything else. Also consider the weight of your guitar. Heavy guitars such as the Les Pauls, can really strain your back after a few hours of playing. The width of the fret board also makes a huge difference, depending on the size of your hand. You’ll want a small and compact fret board for fast playing (as small as possible considering the size of your hands), but a wider fret board for wide bends and vibrato (blues/rock/etc.). Check the tuners too. You might want locking tuners (keeps strings in tune longer) if you do a lot of bends, or if you plan to use a whammy bar.
3) Also look for everything in the “What to look for in an acoustic guitar” list, inside the Acoustic Guitar section. It all applies to electric guitars too.



When buying an amplifier, look for the following:
1) A good clean channel – make sure your guitar sounds clear and has very distinct notes when the amp is on a clean setting with minimal gain. Your clean channel is more important than your dirty channel.
2) Appropriate wattage – 10-30 watts is more than enough for practice. Even if you play with a band, 10-15 watts will keep up with all but the loudest drummers (and I mean loud). 20-30 watts is capable of producing volumes that will cause permanent hearing loss when used indoors, so keep that in mind. 20-30 Watts is fine for any indoor performance unless you are a professional musician playing in a stadium. For large outdoor gigs and performances, consider 100 watt amps (cab heads) with at least 1-2 output jacks (to connect to speakers).
3) Tubes vs. transistors – “Tube” amps are old school amplifiers that use vacuum tubes to amplify your sound signals, rather than transistors. I personally prefer transistors, because they are easier to care for, but if you really care about sound, you might want a tube amp. Tube amps create more “even” and gradual distortion than transistors can. Most people prefer tube amp distortion to transistor-based distortion. However, tube amps are fragile and the tubes must be replaced every half year or so. Also, tube amps need a few minutes to “warm up” before you can use them, so they typically have a standby switch that keeps the tubes warm even when the amplifier is not on. Don’t leave tube amps on for long periods of time though, because it’ll burn out the tubes.
4) Effects – effects always sound better if they come from the amp itself, rather than pedals. Keep this in mind if you plan to play rock, metal, or other effect-heavy music. At very least, if you want effects, make sure you AT LEAST have a good dirty channel that allows high gain (and thus distortion).



Recommended electric guitars (slightly biased list)
1) Squier Strat (50-150 dollars) – If you are broke, this is the only guitar you can consider. No other electric guitar sounds remotely decent in this price range (under 100 dollars); that’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Squire’s are sometimes terrible, but sometimes very decent, so try a few out.
2) Fender MIM Stratocaster (250-400+ bucks) – IMO, there is no better guitar under 1000 dollars. Sounds very close to the MIA version, but is made in Mexico instead of America, and has cheaper and more “electronic” sounding pickups. Get a Fender MIM Telecaster (same price) for twangier, brighter sound.
3) Epiphone/Gibson Les Pauls (300-1000+ bucks) – These have a rough and edgy sound. Epiphones look and feel the same and are cheaper, but have lower quality pickups.
4) Fender MIA Stratocaster (1000+ bucks) – I might be biased since I have this guitar, but I think it kicks ass. This is the world famous icon, the real deal Fender. Probably the most versatile guitar you can buy. It plays almost any kind of music. Well.
5) Gibson SG (1000+ bucks) – This is basically a Stratocaster with a heavier sound (think AC/DC).
6) Paul Reed Smith (1500+ bucks)– These kick ASS if you have 1500+ dollars to blow on a guitar. Nice deep, slightly jazzy sound. If I had the money I'd buy one.
7) Ibanez/Schecter/Jackson/ESP/etc. (varies) - I'm not a huge fan of these guitars but that's only due to the kind of music I play. These guitars tend to be better suited for heavier music (hard rock, metal, etc.) that the other guitars above. Supposedly Ibanez is one of the best in the ultra-dirt-cheap-price-range.



Recommended amplifiers (Combo amps only, don’t worry about cabs/stacks until you start performing gigs)
1) If you are broke and just starting out, get a Fender Frontman 15W, Peavey Audition, or a Roland MicroCube. Both are probably the only decent amps in the 50-100 dollar range. I think the Frontman 15W is the loudest, but it sounds worse than the others. The MicroCube has some built in effects, but isn’t very loud.
2) Roland Cube series, MicroCube, 15X, 20X, 30X (100-300 dollars)– These are the best modeling amps IMO. They are designed to simulate many different kinds of amps. I personally have a 30X and it’s awesome. They have a ton of effects and have a GREAT clean channel (most of the cubes have the same clean channel chipset as the legendary Roland JS-series)
3) Fender Super Champ XD (200+ dollars) – Stevie Ray Vaughn used Fender amps; therefore, you should too. On a serious note, the Super Champ is a cheap tube amp with effects. What’s not to love.
4) Line6 Amps (100-1000+) – I hate these amps. They sound terrible. However, they have a TON of effects (especially the spider series) so consider these if you just want variety. The Flextone series, however, is an exception. The Flextone series amps are AMAZING (but also expensive).



Pedals/Effects

I recommend you don’t get them if you are new. But if you MUST buy something, get these:
1) DigiTech 50 (30-50 bucks) – A cheap pedal that has tons of effects, as well as a drum machine with many drum loops and adjustable tempo.
2) Dunlop Classic Wah (70-100+ bucks) – The only wah pedal you should really consider. It’s nice for make obnoxious sounds that piss off people. Or for playing Jimi Hendrix, RATM, Gunz And Roses, or any other band that uses a Wah.
3) BOSS brand effects (Varies) – If you need a chorus, overdrive, etc., get these. They are usually the best.


Guitar Basics (How To Get Started)
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When you first get your guitar, you are going to see videos like these:




…and you will want to learn all that. Don’t do it.



Here are some good websites to help you get started:

www.justinguitar.com - Good free lessons (this website will teach all of the basics, it is extremely thorough and has video lessons too)
www.betweenthelicks.com - Basic improvisation
www.discoverguitaronline.com - Basic licks
www.ultimate-guitar.com - Tabs



Here is what you NEED to learn (in the order that you need to learn them).

Acoustic
1) Open chords (all of them)
2) Major scale
3) Barre chords (all of them)
4) Everything else

Electric
1) Movable chords (learn power chords and major, minor, sus2/4, dim, dom7, maj7, and min7) and one position of the minor pentatonic scale
2) Triads, everywhere around the neck.
3) Vibrato and bending technique, Palm Muting technique
4) Major scale
5) Modes
6) Everything else



For acoustic guitar, expect to spend 1-2 months learning how to properly play open chords. Be very serious for the first 2 months. Once you learn open chords, you can start to enjoy playing some real songs (with a capo, you’ll be able to strum almost any song)

For electric guitar, expect to spend a few months (up to a year) learning all your movable chords and the minor pentatonic scale. Once you have these down, you’ll be free to learn many full songs (including some easy guitar solos).



Also, of course, don’t neglect the basic musical skills:

ALWAYS practice the following regardless of what kind of guitar you have
1) Rhythm – Use a metronome to practice
2) Pitch – Transcribe songs or use training tools such as http://www.musictheory.net/
3) Tone – Always listen to your playing; when you play a note that sounds good, remember how you held the note



Other general tips
1) Practice slowly – when learning songs, chords, or anything really, always start at a slow tempo and build up speed later. If you are learning a song, use a slow tempo BUT always stay on tempo, even if you have to play the song 10 times slower than its real speed.
2) Relax – don’t let parts of your body tense up. If you are having trouble keeping rhythm or increasing tempo, it’s probably because some parts of your arm or body are tense. Be careful, you might not notice yourself tensing up, this is one reason why it’s helpful to have a teacher at first.
3) Have fun – learn some easy songs when you begin. Reward your practice sessions by jamming along to what music you enjoy. You’re learning guitar to become a happier person, so remember that.



Some Good, Easy Acoustic Songs
- Songs from the Beatles
- Disney songs
- Dave Mathews Band songs
- Coldplay songs
- Jack Johnson songs (after you master Barre chords)

Some Good, Easy Electric Songs
- Anything from Green Day, Blink 182, or other punk bands
- Most popular Metallica songs (minus the solos)
- Most modern rock music (if it’s less than 10 years old, it’s probably mostly power chords)




Conclusion
Alright, you made it through the guide (or skipped to the end, shame on you)! Did you think about those three things in the introduction? I asked you to consider what kind of music you like, how hard you will practice, and what your budget is.

Well, now that you've read the guide, take some time and make a decision! Regarding budget, keep in mind that high end guitars are often expensive due to unessential embellishments or cosmetics. However, an expensive guitar is also a better long term investment, since it makes more sense to get one guitar that you'll be happy with for a lifetime, rather than buy many guitars incrementally. Ultimately, you have to have honestly evaluate yourself and decide how deep your desire to learn guitar is. Don't be afraid to jump in. Honestly, I started guitar because I thought it'd help with girls. It kind of does, but now I've truly grown to love guitar. You shouldn't underestimate the power of music



Anyway, hopefully this guide was helpful for you. Learning guitar is a long and difficult process, but the rewards will benefit you for a lifetime. Compared to other instruments, I think guitar is by far the most relaxing and natural to play. If you haven’t picked up music until now, and you just want to have some fun, I can’t recommend any instrument other than guitar.

Seriously, if you have any doubt in your mind, slap together 300 bucks and go pick up an acoustic. You might find a lifelong passion you never knew you had.

Have fun!



Extra (Videos of me and other people playing)
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Here are some songs that you WILL for sure be able to play within a few months, if you practice.








And here are some songs that might take a little longer to learn








And here are some songs that you will probably never be able to play (lol)





Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
June 09 2009 15:27 GMT
#2
Yay! Ive been trying to get into electric guitar for awhile but I still suck pretty hard, thanks for this!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 15:32:42
June 09 2009 15:28 GMT
#3
Super dumb noob question: Do you need an amp to play electric guitar?

Also, are there any difference in difficulty in picking up electric guitar instead of acoustic? Are pedals necessary? (I want to play Fuwa Fuwa Time and many other songs too, but lack of money and will.. ;___; )

Edit: Btw, awesome guide, always wanted to pick up electric guitar. Now I know how many years I need to save.

For a setup like this, how much do you think it will cost?
POGGERS
jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 15:40:37
June 09 2009 15:33 GMT
#4
On June 10 2009 00:28 konadora wrote:
Super dumb noob question: Do you need an amp to play electric guitar?

Also, are there any difference in difficulty in picking up electric guitar instead of acoustic? Are pedals necessary? (I want to play Fuwa Fuwa Time and many other songs too, but lack of money and will.. ;___; )


You don't NEED an amp to play an electric guitar. It will still produce sound but very minimal and you obviously won't get the sound you're expecting from rock bands like.... Aerosmith?

When I first started out, acoustic guitars actually hurt my fingers more because of a couple of reasons, the action is usually... USUALLY higher on acoustics and the gauge of acoustic strings are usually.. USUALLY thicker. It hurt to hold down strings on an acoustic at first whereas with an electric, the pressure felt very minimal.

So difficulty..? Not much of a difference, it's just small things but I guess that varies from person to person. I mean that's if you're asking about difficulty of just learning scales, chords, etc. (Basics/Intermediate)

Also, pedals are never necessary unless you really want to get the same sound from a song. I know a lot of good guitarists who don't have pedals because they're broke, therefore they're musicians. lol

*About your video.. Looks like an Epiphone or Edwards Les Paul. Depending on the exact model, could be from $500-1200 Canadian. Judging from the sound though, I say it's more lower end, $500ish. But from the look... I think that headstock is for the Epiphone Customs which are almost double the price. So it's one or the other.

I think he plugged this in directly to his computer but if not then, that Fender amp.. is probably not that much more expensive than the guitar. I could be wrong because I never play with Fender amps, mainly because no one ever recommended them to me. People usually compliment Marshalls, Rolands, or whatever.

The strap is probably $15 lol

And I don't hear any pedals or effects. Just distortion/gain. If you're starting out, I'd say get an amp that already has effects on it like Spider Line 6 or w/e amp or a Roland Microcube.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 15:41:15
June 09 2009 15:37 GMT
#5
I've played acoustic a bit before (but not my guitar D: ) so I was wondering how different it will be. Also, how often do you need to change strings? Do you need a tuner? How to maintain the guitar?

@above:
From the video :-
Equipment:
Epiphone Les Paul Custom w/Gibson 490r 498t pickups
Fender Frontman 212r
Pod XT Live
M-Audio fast track pro
Shure SM57
Recorded with Audacity

If you don't need an amp, then how minimal is minimal?
POGGERS
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
June 09 2009 15:42 GMT
#6
to all beginners (i'm one too): if you start playing guitar, don't get discouraged by barre chords. they are a hassle in the beginning but nothing you can't accomplish with enough practice.
http://twitter.com/jhNz
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
June 09 2009 15:43 GMT
#7
probably very, very expensive

I would just get a shitty guitar+amp to start like I did for about 100 dollars.
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
June 09 2009 15:46 GMT
#8
Oh wow, just the guide I need especially when I'm just about to pick up my guitar and start playing the first time (like today...)
www.twitch.tv/KoreanUsher
jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
June 09 2009 15:47 GMT
#9
On June 10 2009 00:37 konadora wrote:
I've played acoustic a bit before (but not my guitar D: ) so I was wondering how different it will be. Also, how often do you need to change strings? Do you need a tuner? How to maintain the guitar?

@above:
From the video :-
Equipment:
Epiphone Les Paul Custom w/Gibson 490r 498t pickups
Fender Frontman 212r
Pod XT Live
M-Audio fast track pro
Shure SM57
Recorded with Audacity

If you don't need an amp, then how minimal is minimal?


Minimal as in, if you were in a small room by yourself, only you can hear it. (Basically)

I strum my electric at night without an amp so that I don't wake up others. That's how minimal the sound is.

unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
June 09 2009 15:48 GMT
#10
well yeah you'll NEED an amp otherwise you won't really hear what you're playing (unless it's really quiet). so all an amp basically does is amplify the sound.

i like how theory was included in this guide. i learned how to play guitar by myself but never learned the theory (i.e. scales, modes etc) until it was too late (i lost interest)

so i guess based on my experience, if you could afford one i would recommend getting a tutor. i have a friend that took up lessons for about a month i think and he improved drastically. not only from a practical standpoint, but also in theory. i only recommend getting a tutor if you really, really want to improve
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 15:50:38
June 09 2009 15:48 GMT
#11
On June 10 2009 00:47 jjun212 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2009 00:37 konadora wrote:
I've played acoustic a bit before (but not my guitar D: ) so I was wondering how different it will be. Also, how often do you need to change strings? Do you need a tuner? How to maintain the guitar?

@above:
From the video :-
Equipment:
Epiphone Les Paul Custom w/Gibson 490r 498t pickups
Fender Frontman 212r
Pod XT Live
M-Audio fast track pro
Shure SM57
Recorded with Audacity

If you don't need an amp, then how minimal is minimal?


Minimal as in, if you were in a small room by yourself, only you can hear it. (Basically)

I strum my electric at night without an amp so that I don't wake up others. That's how minimal the sound is.


So even if you play it hard, it'll be maximum that loud?

Oh okay, questioned answered in above post.

I think I'll find a tutor ^^;

Btw, should I find my own guitar or get a tutor to help me choose? Or get my friend? (He plays acoustic, never played electric)
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Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
June 09 2009 15:55 GMT
#12
You should find one that suits your taste, but bring a friend who actually knows what's a good electric guitar. NEVER trust the people in the shop.
The World God Only Knows
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 15:59:04
June 09 2009 15:58 GMT
#13
On June 10 2009 00:37 konadora wrote:
I've played acoustic a bit before (but not my guitar D: ) so I was wondering how different it will be. Also, how often do you need to change strings? Do you need a tuner? How to maintain the guitar?

@above:
From the video :-
Equipment:
Epiphone Les Paul Custom w/Gibson 490r 498t pickups
Fender Frontman 212r
Pod XT Live
M-Audio fast track pro
Shure SM57
Recorded with Audacity

If you don't need an amp, then how minimal is minimal?


That guy's equipment is completely unnecessary for a song like Fuwa Fuwa Time. In Starcraft terms, it's like using 12 carriers to kill a vulture.

To play Fuwa Fuwa Time (and 99% of anime music in general), a squire starter pack will be fine. It comes with a squire strat and a fender frontman 15W amp, as well as a tuner, a bag, and picks, and an instructional DVD. you can get it for under 200 bucks if you haggle a guy at guitarcenter. the amp has a very decent dirty channel which will give you the sound you want.

You do need an amp btw. Not only will your guitar be too quiet, but it'll sound like a bad acoustic guitar. You need the distortion to make your power chords sound good.
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 16:01:09
June 09 2009 15:58 GMT
#14
On June 10 2009 00:55 Ryshi wrote:
You should find one that suits your taste, but bring a friend who actually knows what's a good electric guitar. NEVER trust the people in the shop.


Correct, most guitar shops like guitar center/Sam Ash salesmen get commissions off of what they sell and what they say can often be misleading. Your definitely better off bringing a friend or doing your own research.

As for me, I have had a Gibson Explorer and Roland Micro cube for 3 years now. $1300 total, sounds great and I love the look :3

the courage to be a lazy bum
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 16:02:18
June 09 2009 16:01 GMT
#15
On June 10 2009 00:28 konadora wrote:
Super dumb noob question: Do you need an amp to play electric guitar?

Also, are there any difference in difficulty in picking up electric guitar instead of acoustic? Are pedals necessary? (I want to play Fuwa Fuwa Time and many other songs too, but lack of money and will.. ;___; )

Edit: Btw, awesome guide, always wanted to pick up electric guitar. Now I know how many years I need to save.

For a setup like this, how much do you think it will cost?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSM22VOgVn4


Is that from K-on ? I'm not sure I've only seen like the first episode and it was some months ago.

Edit: yes, it was ^^
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 16:02:42
June 09 2009 16:01 GMT
#16
Kinda alien to the terms, what are 'pickups' and 'bad', and how do you tell a 'clean channel' apart from a 'dirty channel'?

@Zoler:
Yes, but let's not get there in this thread, shall we?
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Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
June 09 2009 16:03 GMT
#17
konadora:
From the video :-
Equipment: Epiphone Les Paul Custom w/Gibson 490r 498t pickups $2000+
Fender Frontman 212r $300-400~
Pod XT Live $200-300
M-Audio fast track pro $100-200
Shure SM57 $???
Recorded with Audacity FREE

I'm canadian so I may have mixed some of the prices, but the higher end is what I estimate is that cost in American $. Also some of my prices are second hand from craigslist lol, like the pod xt and m-audio might be from 2nd hand. You don't really need such an expensive guitar to play a video like this.

To get a good tone, you just need a good amp/effect. If you do recording, you can get away with just a $200+ guitar and a pod xt (live not necessary). It will produce a good tone already.
The World God Only Knows
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
June 09 2009 16:04 GMT
#18
Nice guide, there are some really useful links in there so thanks for that.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 09 2009 16:04 GMT
#19
On June 10 2009 00:28 konadora wrote:
Super dumb noob question: Do you need an amp to play electric guitar?

Also, are there any difference in difficulty in picking up electric guitar instead of acoustic? Are pedals necessary? (I want to play Fuwa Fuwa Time and many other songs too, but lack of money and will.. ;___; )

Edit: Btw, awesome guide, always wanted to pick up electric guitar. Now I know how many years I need to save.

For a setup like this, how much do you think it will cost?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSM22VOgVn4


As a side note, I should've mentioned this in the guide, but be very careful of where you get tabs if you are just starting out.

The guy in that video, for example, is playing the song completely wrong (especially the chorus) but his guitar is so loud that you might think its correct. he also has tabs listed on his youtube page (which I followed, but then realized were wrong when I tried playing it)

*cough*cough* follow the cover I did in the extras section, its correct
Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
June 09 2009 16:06 GMT
#20
On June 10 2009 01:01 konadora wrote:
Kinda alien to the terms, what are 'pickups' and 'bad', and how do you tell a 'clean channel' apart from a 'dirty channel'?


Pickups are the golden parts at where his right hand picks in the video. Most guitars have 2 or 3, basically they take in the sound. Clean channel and dirty (actually called lead or distortion channel) is a switch on the amp. The clean plays like an acoustic usually, minus the wooden sound. The lead/distortion comes with the amp to simulate a rock/heavy tone. If you use a pedal/effect (guitar -> effect-> amp setup), you would usually play it on the clean channel as the effect produces the rock/heavy tone instead.
The World God Only Knows
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 09 2009 16:10 GMT
#21
On June 10 2009 01:01 konadora wrote:
Kinda alien to the terms, what are 'pickups' and 'bad', and how do you tell a 'clean channel' apart from a 'dirty channel'?

@Zoler:
Yes, but let's not get there in this thread, shall we?



A clean channel is usually labeled "clean." If it isn't, just set your gain to zero (or some very low value) and you'll have a clean channel. clean refers to a lack of distortion, basically a clear and crisp sound.

bad was a typo, i think i meant bag
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
June 09 2009 16:11 GMT
#22
Cool... what equipment will be most recommended for a beginner like me? I don't know anyone who plays electric, so I gotta know which ones are good so that I can buy them. Also, price please
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Powerpill
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States1692 Posts
June 09 2009 16:16 GMT
#23
Grabbed a Fender Custom Telecaster FMT HH last year, and highly recommend it. Has a high fretboard radius (somewhat flat) and the strings are "very" close to the frets (great for finger play). Got one of the rare blue ones off ebay (around mid 600 price range, not the cheapest, but worth it imo) Doesn't sound like a typical tele at all though, more like a mid to high end PRS.
The pretty things are going to hell, they wore it out but they wore it well
Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 16:20:53
June 09 2009 16:20 GMT
#24
Get this:
"Squire Strat (50-150 dollars) – If you are broke, this is the only guitar you can consider. No other electric guitar sounds remotely decent in this price range; that’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Squire’s are sometimes terrible, but sometimes very decent, so try a few out."
If you plan on playing outside of the house, you should get an amp, maybe just use a starter amp as wangsta has said (although I don't really trust bundle purchases, but I have not played with them). A cheap amp cost about $50?

While you are excited, I must warn you that if you buy bad equipment, your setup may produce a bad tone. It is very demotivating and may make you quit guitar. Bad equipment is also hard to resale.

If you plan on just making videos, I suggest getting a podxt or equivalent. It is basically an effect that you can plug and play. You plug your guitar into the effect and then plug into pc and use your speakers as amp. Or, you can just wear headphones and plug it right into your effect. It is around $150-250 I think. I can guarantee getting a podxt would produce a good tone. Even if you don't like it, you can resale it.
The World God Only Knows
Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
June 09 2009 16:23 GMT
#25
DOn't bother playing guitar unless you are willing to practice at LEAST an hour every single day. Electric and acoustic are two completely different things, I can play electric pretty well now but still struggle will acoustic.. Its all in the time spent and make sure you do everything SLOWLY FIRST.
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
June 09 2009 16:24 GMT
#26
On June 10 2009 01:11 konadora wrote:
Cool... what equipment will be most recommended for a beginner like me? I don't know anyone who plays electric, so I gotta know which ones are good so that I can buy them. Also, price please


What style of music do you want to play? Some are better suited for specific genres. Also, you should find one that catches your eye. You don't want to be stuck with one that you think looks shitty/doesn't appeal to your taste.
the courage to be a lazy bum
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 16:26:22
June 09 2009 16:24 GMT
#27
On June 10 2009 01:11 konadora wrote:
Cool... what equipment will be most recommended for a beginner like me? I don't know anyone who plays electric, so I gotta know which ones are good so that I can buy them. Also, price please


For a somewhat long term solution, get this setup used, together for about 300 bucks

Fender MIM Stratocaster
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Standard-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=501158
roland 15X cube
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-Cube-15X-Amp?sku=487030


Or get the super cheap option, a starter pack (which you will definitely replace if you stay with guitar). On craigslist these go for as low as 50 bucks
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-Affinity-Strat-HSS-and-Bullet-150-DSP-Amp-Value-Pack-512576-i1174771.gc

The only remotely decent starter pack I know of, is the one with the affinity squire strat and the fender frontman 15w. dont get other starter packs
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
June 09 2009 16:26 GMT
#28
This guide looks good, I'll give it a better look later when I'll have time. For now, I want to inform you the link www.goodear.com you give somewhere, doesn't work.
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
June 09 2009 16:30 GMT
#29
I dunno. I learned classical guitar first, and I never bothered properly learning any electric/acoustic chords other than basic open stuff.

I just get the tab and I can play it if it's easy enough, or I practice and I can play it, I don't really know why you say you need to learn all those chords. I picked up alot of chords just by learning different songs. If you just want to play pieces, I'd say just learn how to strum, how to bar and stuff like fingerings then just play from a tab.
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 16:37:55
June 09 2009 16:33 GMT
#30
On June 10 2009 01:03 Ryshi wrote:
konadora:
From the video :-
Equipment: Epiphone Les Paul Custom w/Gibson 490r 498t pickups $2000+
Fender Frontman 212r $300-400~
Pod XT Live $200-300
M-Audio fast track pro $100-200
Shure SM57 $???
Recorded with Audacity FREE

I'm canadian so I may have mixed some of the prices, but the higher end is what I estimate is that cost in American $. Also some of my prices are second hand from craigslist lol, like the pod xt and m-audio might be from 2nd hand. You don't really need such an expensive guitar to play a video like this.

To get a good tone, you just need a good amp/effect. If you do recording, you can get away with just a $200+ guitar and a pod xt (live not necessary). It will produce a good tone already.


Umm.. a Epiphone LP Custom would be like $600 used. No more than $900 new, or you are getting ripped off.

I dont know what to think of this guide, as some information is not that good. But maybe thats because I am pursuing a career in music (guitar is my primary too) as opposed to a hobby.

Such as Squires being the only guitar that sounds decent in an under 500 pricerange?? Thats "fact"??? That can't be further away from the truth. Fenders and Gibsons are both overpriced and bank off their brand/name rather than quality instruments, there are many really good companies that make guitars for under $500 that are much better, such as Ibanez or even Agile. Squires are alright but to say they are the best guitar for their price is like saying Terran is the best race by far in SC. Just flat out wrong.

I can find faulty info in pretty much every paragraph in this guide.. So anyone who is actually new at guitar, take it with a grain of salt.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 09 2009 16:37 GMT
#31
On June 10 2009 01:26 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
This guide looks good, I'll give it a better look later when I'll have time. For now, I want to inform you the link www.goodear.com you give somewhere, doesn't work.


Thank you.

I put up an alternate link now
http://www.musictheory.net/
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 09 2009 16:39 GMT
#32
On June 10 2009 01:33 Skyze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2009 01:03 Ryshi wrote:
konadora:
From the video :-
Equipment: Epiphone Les Paul Custom w/Gibson 490r 498t pickups $2000+
Fender Frontman 212r $300-400~
Pod XT Live $200-300
M-Audio fast track pro $100-200
Shure SM57 $???
Recorded with Audacity FREE

I'm canadian so I may have mixed some of the prices, but the higher end is what I estimate is that cost in American $. Also some of my prices are second hand from craigslist lol, like the pod xt and m-audio might be from 2nd hand. You don't really need such an expensive guitar to play a video like this.

To get a good tone, you just need a good amp/effect. If you do recording, you can get away with just a $200+ guitar and a pod xt (live not necessary). It will produce a good tone already.


Umm.. a Epiphone LP Custom would be like $600 used. No more than $900 new, or you are getting ripped off.

I dont know what to think of this guide, as some information is not that good. But maybe thats because I am pursuing a career in music (guitar is my primary too) as opposed to a hobby.



A lot of explanations are really short on purpose since this is a beginners guide, and I don't want it to be longer than it already is.

I'm also far from a professional musician, so if you have corrections please let me know. I'll fix and credit you in the guide
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
June 09 2009 16:42 GMT
#33
Also, I would NOT recommend a Pod for anyone new at sound/musical instruments, as the ammount of tweaking required to get a "good tone" is so massive, it would overwhelm any new player. The best way to get a "good tone" at a cheap/affordable price, is getting a decent low cost amp, depending on what you do. If all you want is that dry blues overdriven sound, get a Fender Blues Jr or one of those amps, but the main idea is when starting out you need an amp that IS SIMPLE, has volume, gain, bass/mid/treble, and reverb. Nothing more, because having to deal with a Pod or any ME unit is a double edged sword; it can sound great if used properly, or can sound like total shit if you don't know what you're doing.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
June 09 2009 16:43 GMT
#34
On June 10 2009 01:33 Skyze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2009 01:03 Ryshi wrote:
konadora:
From the video :-
Equipment: Epiphone Les Paul Custom w/Gibson 490r 498t pickups $2000+
Fender Frontman 212r $300-400~
Pod XT Live $200-300
M-Audio fast track pro $100-200
Shure SM57 $???
Recorded with Audacity FREE

I'm canadian so I may have mixed some of the prices, but the higher end is what I estimate is that cost in American $. Also some of my prices are second hand from craigslist lol, like the pod xt and m-audio might be from 2nd hand. You don't really need such an expensive guitar to play a video like this.

To get a good tone, you just need a good amp/effect. If you do recording, you can get away with just a $200+ guitar and a pod xt (live not necessary). It will produce a good tone already.


Umm.. a Epiphone LP Custom would be like $600 used. No more than $900 new, or you are getting ripped off.

Yeah I'm probably wrong, I quoted it from google.
The World God Only Knows
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 09 2009 16:45 GMT
#35
On June 10 2009 01:33 Skyze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2009 01:03 Ryshi wrote:
konadora:
From the video :-
Equipment: Epiphone Les Paul Custom w/Gibson 490r 498t pickups $2000+
Fender Frontman 212r $300-400~
Pod XT Live $200-300
M-Audio fast track pro $100-200
Shure SM57 $???
Recorded with Audacity FREE

I'm canadian so I may have mixed some of the prices, but the higher end is what I estimate is that cost in American $. Also some of my prices are second hand from craigslist lol, like the pod xt and m-audio might be from 2nd hand. You don't really need such an expensive guitar to play a video like this.

To get a good tone, you just need a good amp/effect. If you do recording, you can get away with just a $200+ guitar and a pod xt (live not necessary). It will produce a good tone already.


Umm.. a Epiphone LP Custom would be like $600 used. No more than $900 new, or you are getting ripped off.

I dont know what to think of this guide, as some information is not that good. But maybe thats because I am pursuing a career in music (guitar is my primary too) as opposed to a hobby.

Such as Squires being the only guitar that sounds decent in an under 500 pricerange?? Thats "fact"??? That can't be further away from the truth. Fenders and Gibsons are both overpriced and bank off their brand/name rather than quality instruments, there are many really good companies that make guitars for under $500 that are much better, such as Ibanez or even Agile. Squires are alright but to say they are the best guitar for their price is like saying Terran is the best race by far in SC. Just flat out wrong.

I can find faulty info in pretty much every paragraph in this guide.. So anyone who is actually new at guitar, take it with a grain of salt.



Uh you should reread my words, I said 50-150 dollar price range and I've never editted that portion of the guide. Here's the quote

Squire Strat (50-150 dollars) – If you are broke, this is the only guitar you can consider. No other electric guitar sounds remotely decent in this price range; that’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Squire’s are sometimes terrible, but sometimes very decent, so try a few out.


Fenders strats are also probably the best value out of any guitar for beginners. They relatively cheap and are designed for playability (lightweight and comfortable) and versatility (wide range of sounds) which is exactly what you want if you are new. If you disagree with me on this, then I don't know what to say, this isn't an opinion that I made up on my own

I never anywhere said that gibsons are a best value (for anything)
Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
June 09 2009 16:48 GMT
#36
Azusa uses a fender =)
The World God Only Knows
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 09 2009 16:55 GMT
#37
On June 10 2009 01:48 Ryshi wrote:
Azusa uses a fender =)


yea, unfortunately it's not a strat
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
June 09 2009 17:00 GMT
#38
On June 10 2009 01:24 ZoW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2009 01:11 konadora wrote:
Cool... what equipment will be most recommended for a beginner like me? I don't know anyone who plays electric, so I gotta know which ones are good so that I can buy them. Also, price please


What style of music do you want to play? Some are better suited for specific genres. Also, you should find one that catches your eye. You don't want to be stuck with one that you think looks shitty/doesn't appeal to your taste.

Including 'fuwa fuwa time' in the OP, something like these?





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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 17:07:36
June 09 2009 17:05 GMT
#39
if you're always gonna be playing around with distortion you might as well get an ibanez (or epiphone lp if you care about looks, since I think those look nice )

fender strats are great for a lot of music but the single coils arent that great with heavy distortion, you'll probably want something with a humbuckler, so ignore my earlier suggestions


edit: that song in the first video might take a while to learn lol.
my love is a stapler would be good to start with though, you can probably jump into that as soon as you learn power chords
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
June 09 2009 17:09 GMT
#40
I'm mostly aiming to play at home though. Is it big? Humbuckler? Single coils? What's that? (Sorry, really noob with all the guitar terms, although they're awesome :3 )
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Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
June 09 2009 17:10 GMT
#41
For God Knows play kurikinton's version. Just learn the intro and then it's easy (the real guitar part is much harder).

I use an ibanez too.
The World God Only Knows
Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
June 09 2009 17:12 GMT
#42
Single coils has the dimensions of around 1 index finger
Humbucklers has the dimensions of the index and middle finger put together
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 09 2009 17:14 GMT
#43
On June 10 2009 02:09 konadora wrote:
I'm mostly aiming to play at home though. Is it big? Humbuckler? Single coils? What's that? (Sorry, really noob with all the guitar terms, although they're awesome :3 )


single coils are basically just 1 row of pickup coils. they have a pretty raw and responsive sound, but they can get really noisy and awkward sounding if you increase distortion up to metal-ish levels

humbucklers are basically 2 rows of pickup coils right next to each other. I guess a simplified way of understanding it would be that sound is coming from 2 sources rather than 1, so the static and unwanted sounds are greatly reduced because the good sounds reinforce each other but the bads sounds dont. If you plan to use a lot of distortion, humbucklers tend to give a much more pleasing sound
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
June 09 2009 17:14 GMT
#44
On June 10 2009 02:10 Ryshi wrote:
For God Knows play kurikinton's version.

He does a good cover, I also like his F.chopin video
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 09 2009 17:19 GMT
#45
On June 10 2009 02:10 Ryshi wrote:
For God Knows play kurikinton's version. Just learn the intro and then it's easy (the real guitar part is much harder).

I use an ibanez too.


are you talking about this video?


because if you are, that doesn't look very easy to me, especially some of the parts in the last 20 seconds are really hard.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
June 09 2009 17:24 GMT
#46
So, these coils.. are they fixed for each guitar or can they be changed? (let's say you want this certain guitar, can you choose between single coil or humbuckler?)
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 09 2009 17:29 GMT
#47
On June 10 2009 02:24 konadora wrote:
So, these coils.. are they fixed for each guitar or can they be changed? (let's say you want this certain guitar, can you choose between single coil or humbuckler?)


its a pain to change pickups, and completely not worthwhile for cheaper guitars, so probably just go with one that has one

you can try an HSS strat (I dont have experience with these other than playing in a store) which has a humbuckler as well as single coils (you can switch between them).

or just get an ibanez or les paul; aka something that is known for humbucklers and is meant for that kind of music anyway (moreso the ibanez than the LP)
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
June 09 2009 17:33 GMT
#48
Wow, learned a lot today. Gonna go out later and check out some guitars :D

Thanks!
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ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
June 09 2009 17:35 GMT
#49
On June 10 2009 02:24 konadora wrote:
So, these coils.. are they fixed for each guitar or can they be changed? (let's say you want this certain guitar, can you choose between single coil or humbuckler?)


They CAN be changed but you will need someone with experience to do it. It will require some soldering. It is not recommomended for beginners.

Most electric guitars today have humbucker pickups, its just newer technology. But I know Fender still uses single coil pickups. You just need to look at what pickups you will be getting when choosing a guitar. Its ganna be more important than looks in the long run, you don't want it to sound like shit.

Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
June 09 2009 18:01 GMT
#50
On June 10 2009 02:19 Wangsta wrote:
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On June 10 2009 02:10 Ryshi wrote:
For God Knows play kurikinton's version. Just learn the intro and then it's easy (the real guitar part is much harder).

I use an ibanez too.


are you talking about this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfQh20oeZxs

because if you are, that doesn't look very easy to me, especially some of the parts in the last 20 seconds are really hard.

Yeah, the last 20 secs isn't easy, but if you compare to lost my music, even the intro is hard XD
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inkblot
Profile Joined December 2004
United States1250 Posts
June 09 2009 18:04 GMT
#51
Distortion is caused by overloading your amplifier with high volume or gain. The amplifier will increase the guitar sounds by a certain amount, referred to as gain. If you set your gain to a high value, your sound will begin to distort as you start to reach the wattage limit of your amplifier. A clean channel has low gain. A dirty channel has high gain. There are many kinds of amps. For now, just get a combo amp (has the amp and a speaker together).


"Gain" being used to describe distortion is a quirk of guitar lingo. Distortion is caused by signal clipping, whereas gain is really just amplification factor. However, it is common for guitarists to use "gain" to mean distortion or clipping, since they are related.

In modern guitar amps, distortion/clipping is done on purpose using circuits designed to clip the signal. The first electric guitar amps back in the 50s tried very hard to avoid clipping, because purposefully using distortion on electric guitars wasn't in practice yet. The only way to make them clip was to turn the volume way up, where vacuum tubes and speakers get overloaded and clip. In the 70s, amp makers designed amps where only the preamp tubes were overloaded, so that the amp's volume output could be controlled independently of its distortion.

Solid state amps use transistors instead of vacuum tubes but the result is the same. They were made in order to avoid some of the issues with vacuum tube based amps, but tube amps are still very popular, because most guitarists like the tone a good tube amp produces more than any solid state amp. There are some very good solid state amps, and they are generally more affordable than tube amps.

Digital technology has come along even more recently and is getting better all the time, and is a cheap way to make decent quality recordings.

Because the amplifier is the biggest contributor (other than the player) to the sound produced, which one a player picks depends on what sound they want. An amp that is great for playing death metal won't be ideal for playing AC/DC.

Humbucker pickups are two single coil pickups wound in opposite directions and wired in series. The result is relatively high output volume and cancellation of electrical noise that causes a buzzing sound in single coil pickups. Humbuckers usually have less treble and more bass/mids than single coils. Hard rock, metal, and jazz almost exclusively use humbuckers, while less distorted sounds can be done with either. Using heavy distortion will make the buzz of single coil pickups very loud and annoying.
hellhawk123
Profile Joined December 2007
United States84 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 18:13:36
June 09 2009 18:05 GMT
#52
Agree with most of the points in the guide. Additions:

If you can afford $150+ on your amp, get an amp with a tube of some sort. I HIGHLY recommend the Vox AD series -- I switched from a Cube 20X to an AD15VT and the tube in the vox makes all the difference. There's this instant richness that you don't get with transistors. Music apparently defies technology. Cubes are good for 2 things: heavy heavy metal and a jazzy acoustic.

the OP recommended some good typical guitars. You can get better value if you like hard rock/metal by looking into ibanez and schecter guitars.

In general ALWAYS go to a guitar center or shop and test out the guitar that you plan to buy or order online. You need to hear it, no amount of reviews will do.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
June 09 2009 18:30 GMT
#53
On June 10 2009 03:05 hellhawk123 wrote:
Agree with most of the points in the guide. Additions:

If you can afford $600+ on your amp, get an amp with a tube of some sort. I HIGHLY recommend the Vox AD series -- I switched from a Cube 20X to an AD15VT and the tube in the vox makes all the difference. There's this instant richness that you don't get with transistors. Music apparently defies technology. Cubes are good for 2 things: heavy heavy metal and a jazzy acoustic.

the OP recommended some good typical guitars. You can get better value if you like hard rock/metal by looking into ibanez and schecter guitars.

In general ALWAYS go to a guitar center or shop and test out the guitar that you plan to buy or order online. You need to hear it, no amount of reviews will do.

Fixed...
Tube amps are fucking expensive :[ :[ :[.
Agreed though, ibanez does have some good agressive sound guitars for a comparatively cheap price. However, my full recommendation is to go to your nearest Guitar Center, play around with as many guitars as you can in the price range you are looking for out of the same amp until you find what you are looking for. Then, for an amp, take that guitar and play it out of as many amps in your price range. You shouldn't shove out tons of cash for your first guitar/amp until you are certain that you will be playing guitar for a loooong time (to make the money worthwhile). There are 2 kind of guitar players - the ones who play for like a year, yet still claim they play guitar and are great -_-, and those who really stick with it. You should make sure you are the latter before throwing out the money.
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ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
June 09 2009 19:00 GMT
#54
On June 10 2009 03:05 hellhawk123 wrote:
the OP recommended some good typical guitars. You can get better value if you like hard rock/metal by looking into ibanez and schecter guitars.


ESP and Jackson guitars are great too for metal. But I think Schecter is the best for its price.
rytas
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden116 Posts
June 09 2009 19:15 GMT
#55
On June 10 2009 02:29 Wangsta wrote:
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On June 10 2009 02:24 konadora wrote:
So, these coils.. are they fixed for each guitar or can they be changed? (let's say you want this certain guitar, can you choose between single coil or humbuckler?)


its a pain to change pickups, and completely not worthwhile for cheaper guitars, so probably just go with one that has one

you can try an HSS strat (I dont have experience with these other than playing in a store) which has a humbuckler as well as single coils (you can switch between them).

or just get an ibanez or les paul; aka something that is known for humbucklers and is meant for that kind of music anyway (moreso the ibanez than the LP)


Speaking of HSS strats a really good beginners guitar that has that setup would be the Yamaha Pacifica it should be around 200 bucks and a very good guitar for those bucks, I still pick mine up even tho I have access to fancier guitars. Very comfortable to play with its very thin neck, maybe not Ibanez-thin but still thin Only down-side could be the Licensed Floyd-Rose then altho mine has behaved quite well
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s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
June 09 2009 19:27 GMT
#56
if you intend to buy a cheap guitar, and buy a Squier, watch that you do not buy the Bullet series. those are quite bad.

when aiming at buying (electric) guitar, you have to set a price range, set what sound you go for and then pick what to buy.

for a clean strait sound (single coil) go for (fender) squier, or yamaha pacifica.
for a fat sound (humbucker) go for ibanez/jackson or esp guitars.
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
June 09 2009 20:29 GMT
#57
cool guide!

what do you guys think of the musicman luke? i was looking to buy myself a graduation present after playing classical for many years prior and it felt like fucking honey, so i ended up instantly buying it for a shitload. i've always felt bad though i didn't really look at any other guitars in that price range, and i guess i'm worried about not getting good value.

also, where do you learn all the little things about gear? just from playing on them? for example, when people discuss what x guitar on x amp with x pickup setup etc etc will sound like i'm just totally lost. do you have good websites or guides to start learning?
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DeathByMonkeys
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States742 Posts
June 09 2009 20:52 GMT
#58
I just got a Seagull Entourage (Acoustic) for my graduation present... I love it.

My uncle also is in with the string making industry so he's getting me some new prototype strings that they're sending out to about 100 artists to test them, I'm pretty excited to test them out.

I've only been playing for about a year and still I'm not that good, hoping to improve a lot this summer with all my free time.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
June 09 2009 20:58 GMT
#59
On June 10 2009 05:29 intrigue wrote:
also, where do you learn all the little things about gear? just from playing on them? for example, when people discuss what x guitar on x amp with x pickup setup etc etc will sound like i'm just totally lost. do you have good websites or guides to start learning?

Well, a lot of it comes with experience, from what I can tell. Surrounding yourself with information and media about guitars and whatnot can really help with your overall knowledge of guitar gear...
Things such as reading guitar magazines (often will talk about things such as gear...), reading guitar websites and stuff, and, probably most importantly, being around other people to talk about guitar gear with (assuming they aren't talking out of their asses) can really help with the knowledge of guitar gear. I've read a boatload of guitar catalogs as well, which helps a little. I imagine there are a lot of websites to help with guitar gear knowledge as well if you google properly.
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ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
June 09 2009 21:04 GMT
#60
On June 10 2009 05:29 intrigue wrote:
cool guide!

what do you guys think of the musicman luke? i was looking to buy myself a graduation present after playing classical for many years prior and it felt like fucking honey, so i ended up instantly buying it for a shitload. i've always felt bad though i didn't really look at any other guitars in that price range, and i guess i'm worried about not getting good value.

also, where do you learn all the little things about gear? just from playing on them? for example, when people discuss what x guitar on x amp with x pickup setup etc etc will sound like i'm just totally lost. do you have good websites or guides to start learning?


The Musicman Luke is a great guitar although a little bit overpriced imo. But if its what you wanted then I wouldn't worry about it cause its a very fine guitar.

You learn things about gear through playing and talking to other guitar players. Just find a friend who knows a little something about guitar and you'll learn in no time. Oh and listen to lots and lots of music...just immerse yourself in your favorite guitar music, it beats reading and learning from a book.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 21:18:48
June 09 2009 21:11 GMT
#61
OP didn't talk about this much but there are (at least) two different types of acoustic guitars.

There are steel strings guitar and the most common shape of this type is the dreadnought.
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Then there are classical guitars which uses nylon strings instead of steel strings. They look like this
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Classical guitars have a wider neck and flatter fingerboard.

I'm trying to pick up a classical guitar as I got bored with electric and steel string guitars

And here's some guy playing classical:
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oh and btw it's Squier not Squire. I have a squier stratocaster too
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
June 09 2009 21:20 GMT
#62
On June 10 2009 06:04 ktp wrote:
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On June 10 2009 05:29 intrigue wrote:
cool guide!

what do you guys think of the musicman luke? i was looking to buy myself a graduation present after playing classical for many years prior and it felt like fucking honey, so i ended up instantly buying it for a shitload. i've always felt bad though i didn't really look at any other guitars in that price range, and i guess i'm worried about not getting good value.

also, where do you learn all the little things about gear? just from playing on them? for example, when people discuss what x guitar on x amp with x pickup setup etc etc will sound like i'm just totally lost. do you have good websites or guides to start learning?


Oh and listen to lots and lots of music...just immerse yourself in your favorite guitar music, it beats reading and learning from a book.

I agree, listening to lots of music is key, but this only holds true so much. Try learning anything about jazz without reading anything, it's fucking hard.
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 10 2009 00:34 GMT
#63
On June 10 2009 06:20 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2009 06:04 ktp wrote:
On June 10 2009 05:29 intrigue wrote:
cool guide!

what do you guys think of the musicman luke? i was looking to buy myself a graduation present after playing classical for many years prior and it felt like fucking honey, so i ended up instantly buying it for a shitload. i've always felt bad though i didn't really look at any other guitars in that price range, and i guess i'm worried about not getting good value.

also, where do you learn all the little things about gear? just from playing on them? for example, when people discuss what x guitar on x amp with x pickup setup etc etc will sound like i'm just totally lost. do you have good websites or guides to start learning?


Oh and listen to lots and lots of music...just immerse yourself in your favorite guitar music, it beats reading and learning from a book.

I agree, listening to lots of music is key, but this only holds true so much. Try learning anything about jazz without reading anything, it's fucking hard.


Listening is always more important. Even jazz can be figured out by ear if you are really dedicated (plenty of people have done it). Not saying it's easy, but many of the greatest guitars who ever lived supposedly never read a instruction book or took lessons (some claim they never even learned scales)

That said, sitting down and reading books (or taking lessons) is a way to speed up the process, if you are a normal human being. Just remember that its possible to learn music without extensive book study, but not without extensive musical exposure.
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
June 10 2009 00:46 GMT
#64
You at least have good taste in your sample selections Playing along with the entire Continuum album is quite fun.
Siefu
Profile Joined November 2004
Australia205 Posts
June 10 2009 01:05 GMT
#65
Nice guide. My sister has an old classical guitar, maybe I should learn to play it. One question though, what exactly is the difference between classical and acoustic? Does the classical have to be played like in the video posted by Kentor or can you play it in other ways?
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Deleted User 37864
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
780 Posts
June 10 2009 01:09 GMT
#66
haha what convenience!
my guitar arrived today (esp ltd viper 400)
it's used cuz it got discontinued 2 months ago T_T
i already have an amp from a previous beginner pack..
but im thinking of the roland microcube
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-10 01:23:11
June 10 2009 01:22 GMT
#67
On June 10 2009 10:05 Siefu wrote:
Nice guide. My sister has an old classical guitar, maybe I should learn to play it. One question though, what exactly is the difference between classical and acoustic? Does the classical have to be played like in the video posted by Kentor or can you play it in other ways?



You pretty much have to play classical guitar that way. The size of the neck, among other things, is designed in such a way that the guitar becomes difficult to play unless you hold it properly.

Classical guitar has nylon strings which are very soft and are meant to be picked by fingernails. If you try to strum a song on classical guitar, it'll song really dull and dead compared to steel string acoustics.


Acoustic guitar is better for popular music, or more modern music. In my opinion, its a better "casual" instrument. classical guitar will bring you back to that violin/piano/etc. mindset
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
June 10 2009 01:36 GMT
#68
i think that to master acoustic guitar takes the same amount of time as electric guitar, maybe more. acoustic guitar isnt all about strumming simple chords,


sorry if you werent implying that, but thats the message i got
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 10 2009 01:50 GMT
#69
maybe I wasn't completely clear. I meant that many people want to see results when they start learning something like guitar. With acoustic guitar, you'll see at least some kind of "results" as soon as you master open chords, which can take as little as 1-2 months. With electric guitar, the same open chords won't get you nearly as far, you need to learn a lot more before you'll sound decent.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
June 10 2009 01:59 GMT
#70
theres so many guides here lately, someone should compile it into one uber guide thing thread.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-10 02:08:57
June 10 2009 02:00 GMT
#71
On June 10 2009 10:05 Siefu wrote:
Nice guide. My sister has an old classical guitar, maybe I should learn to play it. One question though, what exactly is the difference between classical and acoustic? Does the classical have to be played like in the video posted by Kentor or can you play it in other ways?

it's pretty much meant to be played that way, but sure you can play it the steel string way although it's "bad posture"
Synthesis
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada167 Posts
June 10 2009 02:05 GMT
#72
On June 10 2009 10:59 Raithed wrote:
theres so many guides here lately, someone should compile it into one uber guide thing thread.


I believe you're looking for this topic?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94628
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 10 2009 02:29 GMT
#73
This is quality

ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
June 10 2009 02:35 GMT
#74
No offense but your description of acoustic guitar sounds like it's coming from someone who plays electric or just learned basic stuff with acoustic. There are many really difficult and really sexy techniques that you didn't mention.
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 10 2009 02:46 GMT
#75
On June 10 2009 11:35 ShaperofDreams wrote:
No offense but your description of acoustic guitar sounds like it's coming from someone who plays electric or just learned basic stuff with acoustic. There are many really difficult and really sexy techniques that you didn't mention.


You're right, I only mentioned very basic things about acoustic guitar. On the other hand, I also only mentioned very basic things about electric guitar. I don't see why it's bad that I omitted "difficult" acoustic guitar techniques in a beginner's guide.

If you want a guide for acoustic stuff like harp/artificial harmonics, tremelo picking, slap techniques, spanish tap guitar, and etc., then you probably shouldn't be looking in this forum.
DeathSpank
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1029 Posts
June 10 2009 03:12 GMT
#76
On June 10 2009 10:36 JohnColtrane wrote:
i think that to master acoustic guitar takes the same amount of time as electric guitar, maybe more. acoustic guitar isnt all about strumming simple chords, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn1d5DmdMqY

sorry if you werent implying that, but thats the message i got


It is much much more than simple chords.
yes.
Denhez
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada16 Posts
June 10 2009 03:14 GMT
#77
On June 10 2009 05:29 intrigue wrote:
cool guide!

what do you guys think of the musicman luke? i was looking to buy myself a graduation present after playing classical for many years prior and it felt like fucking honey, so i ended up instantly buying it for a shitload. i've always felt bad though i didn't really look at any other guitars in that price range, and i guess i'm worried about not getting good value.



Musicman make great quality guitars. As you said, the neck on those guitars are absolutely amazing, sooo comfy. If I remember correctly the Luke has EMG pickups, so they are active pickup (more gain with less noise, powered with batteries), which are supposed to be quite versatile. Some say that those pickups have a cold sound being active, but imo they are really good (I don't want to start a debate on active vs passive pickups PLZ). And dont worry about not getting a good value, you made a great choice (no I'm not jealous at all :o )
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 10 2009 03:37 GMT
#78
Eruption is not fair.

That song is so ridiculously difficult to even get 1/8th the way correctly. Makes one cry when you think of the talent it requires.
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psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-10 04:07:34
June 10 2009 04:04 GMT
#79
Any tips for what to watch out for when buying used gear? I don't enjoy dealing with shop rats shoving their shitty overpriced wares on me, so I'm just browsing for people selling squiers/epiphones/mexico strats and there's a ton in the 150-200 dollar range (canadian). Seem like good deals but I was wondering what are some common defects and stuff.

By the way, great guide. My buddy who plays approves.

edit: do you mind if I pm you with links to used guitars I'm considering buying? :p
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
June 10 2009 05:40 GMT
#80
hA i play classical.

It's rather different from acuostic in terms of the songs it can/cannot play though.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-10 05:44:18
June 10 2009 05:43 GMT
#81
EMGs are NOT versatile. They are notorious for being completely sterile in terms of sound. Good for metal/hard distortion, shit for everything else.

It may just be because I'm not a fan of Fender, but lower end ESP/LTD and lower end Ibanez are generally better quality than lower end Fender.

Agile (From Rondo Music) makes decent low quality, and for high quality, I find that Carvin is extremely hard to top. Their craftsmanship is amazing. I played my friend's model which was around $900, and it had a sexy neck, great pickups, and it stayed in tune even with tremolo abuse.

With Fender's recent raise in price for American made Strats, the incentive to get one is so much lower.

For higher end Ibanez, the Prestige and Wizard necks are so sexy. Thin, low action, and smooth.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
June 10 2009 05:53 GMT
#82
Mandatory video of me playing:
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Creationism
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
China505 Posts
June 10 2009 06:07 GMT
#83
wow, ok, im assuming this is a guide to contest for the sc2 key? if it is, then lol, not enough info man. Guitars, equipment, techniques are too deep and this scratchs the surface. Now if it's not, then I would like to add a few things to help the guide.

I mainly play electric, touched a few acoustics.

For beginners, unless you took AP music theory or a music class, learn ur notes, chords, progressions. It's good to have good fundamentals and will save you a lot of trouble later. Don't need to practice ur chords like learning for a test, but play them clean and see how they fit into ur songs. Although it's much more fun to start off and trying to play a song you like, do warmups and technique practices, you will hear yourself getting better and clearer.

you WILL need a metronome, be it a physical one or something you get on your computer. slowly build up to rhythm and make sure you notes are clear. Again, this is good fundamentals and makes learning hard songs easier later.

Beginner Tabs: you CAN find good tabs for very popular songs to start out with. Stairway, most popular, and several other songs. The more popular the more accurate. Eventually you should learn to tab by ear, but that comes later.

Beginner Equipment: It really depends on how committed you are to actually playing this thing. A lot of people give up instruments, not only guitar, a short while after they've started. I've dropped guitar once b4 and picked it back up. A better ( and therefore more expensive) amp will make you sound better by default: louder. But with the "better" amp comes more learning of settings, equipment, and adjustments. So be prepared. Usually the cheap starting combos they have are not terrible and workable. You can use them to get used to the feel of it, then move on to a les paul or something.

Lessons: once you move past the "beginner" phase, perhaps you would like to start on more advanced techniques, alternated picking, sweep, harmonics, arpegios, tremelos, legatos, and what not. If you would like to put some cash down for a real life physical lesson, great, move on. But if you're cheap like me, videos and hours of practice will have to suffice. there are MANY half-assed introductory lessons online, and you have to kind of assemble them like autobots and piece them together. Videos from the likes of john petrucci, the satch man, and other soloist will help you understand the techniques.

If you want more information you can search yourself or ask someone, but I think it good for beginners to understand the mountains of techniques that face them when they pick up this instrument. Before actually going to play your favorite song, learn some basic techniques and play the boring basic songs, or else you will sound like crap and quit.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
June 10 2009 06:29 GMT
#84
^ Guitar books exist for a good reason...
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
DeathSpank
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1029 Posts
June 10 2009 06:31 GMT
#85
On June 10 2009 15:29 evanthebouncy! wrote:
^ Guitar books exist for a good reason...

to rob you of your cash.
yes.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-10 07:05:09
June 10 2009 07:01 GMT
#86
On June 10 2009 14:53 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Mandatory video of me playing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW7dv4unlTo

you got that classical posture goin there :D
shit.. guitar beater
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
June 10 2009 07:04 GMT
#87
On June 10 2009 16:01 Kentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2009 14:53 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Mandatory video of me playing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW7dv4unlTo

you got that classical posture goin there :D

HHaha yeah :p can't play otherwise
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Thats_The_Spirit
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Netherlands138 Posts
June 10 2009 07:51 GMT
#88
Nice guide!

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selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
June 10 2009 08:43 GMT
#89
On June 10 2009 00:28 konadora wrote:
Super dumb noob question: Do you need an amp to play electric guitar?

Also, are there any difference in difficulty in picking up electric guitar instead of acoustic? Are pedals necessary? (I want to play Fuwa Fuwa Time and many other songs too, but lack of money and will.. ;___; )

Edit: Btw, awesome guide, always wanted to pick up electric guitar. Now I know how many years I need to save.

For a setup like this, how much do you think it will cost?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSM22VOgVn4

Woah, that looks like a '78 Les Paul. If so, those are great guitars. Pretty penny though, range from 3k+! Nice Video though.
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
June 10 2009 09:05 GMT
#90
On June 10 2009 14:40 evanthebouncy! wrote:
hA i play classical.

It's rather different from acuostic in terms of the songs it can/cannot play though.


classical is much more badass than acoustic
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Starparty
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Sweden1963 Posts
June 10 2009 09:33 GMT
#91
how is this a guide? I expected to learn chords and stuff.
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 10 2009 10:22 GMT
#92
On June 10 2009 18:33 Starparty wrote:
how is this a guide? I expected to learn chords and stuff.


read the introduction. I think the very first sentence answered your question
Flow.of.soul
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States210 Posts
June 10 2009 14:08 GMT
#93
I enjoyed your guide (I play guitar as well) but I only have one problem in what you say people should learn depending on what type of guitar they buy. The way you have mapped it out is that anything to do with rhythm guitar is under the acoustic section and anything for lead guitar is under the electric section. ANY guitar player needs to know how to play open and barre chords, regardless whether they want to just learn solos all day. Sure, for the casual player who picks it up once a week may be fine, but when someone wants to move on from just memorizing solos with bad technique to advancing their playing they will have to get to open and barre chords one way or another. Also, just knowing open chords allow you to play hundreds, if not thousands of songs.

Anyways, just my two cents. If this has already been brought up in the comments I am sorry for bringing it up again.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-10 20:53:34
June 10 2009 20:49 GMT
#94
Nice guide
motivates me to improve my guitar skills a bit more

To anyone whos considering getting an e-guitar and an amp: If you're one of those people who leave their PC turned on all the time, you might wanna consider not getting an amp for E-guitar but instead the line6 pod studio gx/ux-1:
Basically you connect that thing to your pc/notebook via USB, and it gives you I think 25 different amp models and whole bunch of effects: It's not gonna sound as good as a 900$/+ amp but I'd argue that with decent speakers it sounds easily as good as an amp of the same price, plus it has 100 times more variety since you dont have just 1 amp but many models, and the effects are very good as well.

And you can't only play with it but also record with it (theoretically thats the main purpose of it) . I always record my stuff with it, even though I have an amp standing here that costs about 2000$.
(Of course my beautiful Orange Amp sounds a lot better but I don't have a mic that's good enough to make recording sound better than with my ux)
And the price is only 90€ (so Id guess about 120$?) for the gx and 120€ for the ux-1, with which you can also connect a mic to record your voice or to record your acoustic guitar.
Oh also it has 5 bass amp models.

So yeah I really really recommend this thing, unless you can't stand the thought of having to use your computer in order to make music.
(Of course having an amp and the pod studio would be better).

Sorry if I sound a lot like a salesman but I garantuee you, I'm not involved with line6 ;D
I just love that thing especially when you consider how cheap it is.

If someone wants sound samples I could upload some of my recordings.



Oh and give the OP a break, I personally thought it was obvious he only meant acoustic guitar was gonna give you results faster, not that it is easier to master.
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rytas
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden116 Posts
June 10 2009 21:23 GMT
#95
7mk: Yeah I support this, I have a ux1 myself aswell as an "real" amp and the ux1 or similar hardware is definately viable for playing at home and it's quite fun to mess around with all the effects you can have without selling your body on the street in order to buy all the shitty boss-pedals. Also makes it quite easy to start record stuff indeed!
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 00:57:48
June 11 2009 00:55 GMT
#96
On June 10 2009 18:33 Starparty wrote:
how is this a guide? I expected to learn chords and stuff.

Ha I'll teach you 4 chords...

C
G
Am
F

feel free th change F into Em

You're good to go.
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
June 11 2009 04:58 GMT
#97
I think a lot of people have been getting confused, so let me clarify again, this is a guide for buying a guitar, not playing one. I've editted the OP to make it more clear



If you want to actually learn chords/etc., either check out Skyze's guide in this same forum, or use www.justinguitar.com (really great site)
New Zealander
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
New Zealand70 Posts
April 22 2011 16:35 GMT
#98
All I have to add is go for what sounds good to you and not looks or reputation. I recently bought a Taylor 410 + Show Spoiler +
http://rockshop.co.nz/04/shop/product-full-page.php?code=TY410CE
because it looked gorgeous and I figured it'd probably be better to get something expensive and never have to change again, but if I could turn back time maybe I should've gone for the 310 + Show Spoiler +
http://rockshop.co.nz/04/shop/product-full-page.php?code=TY310CE
.

This is because the 310 actually had a really good sound when I played it and I was delighted by it. But in the end 'logic' won out, and I went with the 410. After playing it for a few weeks I am starting to miss the sound of the 310. Oh well, I mean, I'm content with my 410. But just because it's a higher end model doesn't mean that it'll be as good, and maybe 1 out of 10 310s will sound better than 9 out of 10 410s, as all guitars will have their individual qualities.
TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
April 22 2011 16:55 GMT
#99
Now all we need is a bass guide...
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19057 Posts
April 22 2011 16:58 GMT
#100
Holy necro.

Also, Spiders are shit amps. My 3 line6 died after 3 months :|
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