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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
On May 21 2009 14:05 seppolevne wrote: But if you replace your brain are you still Misrah  I don't care. I would be the first in line! Image! a super fast, super smart, web surfing brain? I would kill for one of those. | ||
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
On May 21 2009 14:13 seppolevne wrote: Plenty of things can go wrong in a cell without it killing itself. Silent mutations, point mutations, LINE/SINE insertion... this shit happens all the time. This is true. I was just trying to make the point that most of the time, a mutation is not something that the body likes, and or is beneficial in any way. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9452/missinglink.png) sorry the thread is too long to read, especially with so many long argumentative posts.. | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
On May 21 2009 14:17 Misrah wrote: This is true. I was just trying to make the point that most of the time, a mutation is not something that the body likes, and or is beneficial in any way. Very true, its usually silent/nonsense/disruptive. Very rarely will a mutation lead to xray vision or something sweet. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On May 21 2009 14:22 seppolevne wrote: Very true, its usually silent/nonsense/disruptive. Very rarely will a mutation lead to xray vision or something sweet. Then why do so many different species have so many different capabilities? Vipers - Heat Dolphins - Sonar Bats - Echolocation (ok, you can argue this is sonar/radar) etc. I'm stoked to become superman though! Splice me with some owl/hawk vision  | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
Crocs and Gators are curious to study for evolution. Probability over 100+ million years would dictate the species would change. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On May 21 2009 14:37 Aegraen wrote: Another question. How come crocs and gators have remained relatively unchanged for hundreds of millions of years? Is there a point where you hit evolutionary peak? Seems to go against evolution, however. Crocs and Gators are curious to study for evolution. Probability over 100+ million years would dictate the species would change. Some species leap ahead others stay behind, maybe the crocs evolved by in subtle ways like being smaller and consuming less energy | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
On May 21 2009 14:32 Aegraen wrote: Then why do so many different species have so many different capabilities? Vipers - Heat Dolphins - Sonar Bats - Echolocation (ok, you can argue this is sonar/radar) etc. I'm stoked to become superman though! Splice me with some owl/hawk vision I would have to say probably cause "very rarely" ends up happening in 200 million years, coupled with the idea that these things happen multiple times every cell division. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
At least that's the idea that I'm getting. | ||
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omninmo
2349 Posts
On May 21 2009 14:52 koreasilver wrote: Crocs have stayed as an apex predator forever, and the territories they have lived in have stayed pretty stable, and their prey have not managed to evade them. They have no reason to change, and so they don't change. At least that's the idea that I'm getting. same for humans. the only threat to man is his own mind. | ||
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AlwaysGG
Taiwan952 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On May 20 2009 19:33 shimmy wrote: This is awesome news, creationists can finally go fuck themselves. Google even changed their logo :D Creationists could go fuck themselves well before this was discovered DINOSAURS LIVED IN PEACE WITH HUMANS JUST LIKE IN THE FLINTSTONES DURRRRRR | ||
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Canada4732 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On May 21 2009 14:22 fight_or_flight wrote: I don't understand why this is being hyped up so much, or how it is the missing link between humans and apes. Could someone explain it to me? This is my understanding: sorry the thread is too long to read, especially with so many long argumentative posts.. That old ladder representation is misleading and out of date because it looks like Apes stopped evolving, whilst we continued. This is a bit closer, but obviously still crap: ![[image loading]](http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/764/tree.png) In reality we aren't descended from any modern day Ape.... we just share a common ancestor. This Lemur-Monkey is possibly a direct descendant of humans. The fossil is the link between other mammals and apes. It's a special fossil because it's so well preserved but the article does over hype its significance. The "missing link" you may have heard of is just Creationists spreading mis-information. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On May 21 2009 15:43 Klive5ive wrote: The "missing link" you may have heard of is just Creationists spreading mis-information. Plus it was the second sentence of the article in the OP... Anyway, are there any other fossils which are suspected "direct ancestors"? | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
If we didn't we would have T Rex flying f-14 like that one pic that was posted somewhere on TL :D | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On May 21 2009 14:22 fight_or_flight wrote: I don't understand why this is being hyped up so much, or how it is the missing link between humans and apes. Could someone explain it to me? This is my understanding: sorry the thread is too long to read, especially with so many long argumentative posts.. It would be more like this fossil would be one of the first species to split from the ape lineage. Like the 2nd drawing someone posted and putting the "missing link" near that split on the human side. The thing that really interests me the most is where it was found. Germany? We have fossils with the same kind of primitive condition (maybe more advanced because they were less lemur like?) but they are all in Africa so not only could the immense age of this fossil be important but the location is just out to left field. This can still be a really good find, but for all the wrong reasons that the article hyped it hah. I really want to see the analysis on this thing and I hope it is published soon. Somehow I think that since Paleo is kind of an ego driven field so I would not be surprised to see a lot of people initially attack the crap out of it because it could potentially could revolutionize early theory. We will see how it holds up once the rest of the scientific community gets to study it. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
"could finally confirm Charles Darwin's theory of evolution" rofl learn how theories develop, fucken reporters | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On May 21 2009 15:54 Slaughter)BiO wrote: It would be more like this fossil would be one of the first species to split from the ape lineage. Like the 2nd drawing someone posted and putting the "missing link" near that split on the human side. I don't think you've understood it. I found some diagrams that might help people understand. ![[image loading]](http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/gctext/Inquiries/Inquiries_by_Unit/Unit_5_files/image015.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.niu.edu/pubaffairs/RELEASES/2000/MAR/primate/images/color_tree_thumb.jpg) | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On May 21 2009 15:47 fight_or_flight wrote: Plus it was the second sentence of the article in the OP... Anyway, are there any other fossils which are suspected "direct ancestors"? So using the first diagram any fossil of H.Sapiens, H.erectus, H.habilis, Australopiths, forest apes would be suspected direct ancestors. But this new fossil is older than all of them. | ||
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