• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:05
CET 23:05
KST 07:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!41$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship6[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review
Tourneys
[BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [ASL20] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1100 users

Germany about to ban paintball - Page 2

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
RubiksCube
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany259 Posts
May 07 2009 10:08 GMT
#21
German government doing stupid decisions once again. Like they cancelled the ESL Friday Night Game because CS was going to be played at Stuttgart, but they kept the International Arms Fair in the same location.
krazymunky
Profile Joined June 2008
United States727 Posts
May 07 2009 10:23 GMT
#22
NEIN DAS GEHT NICHHHTT!!!

paintball must keep growing!
it was my life until i ran out of money lol...dam economy
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
May 07 2009 10:38 GMT
#23
Yep, and those are the people who decide over a lot of delicate issues. I wonder on how many other things do they take such clueless actions.
Freedom is a stranger
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
May 07 2009 11:02 GMT
#24
On May 07 2009 19:08 RubiksCube wrote:
German government doing stupid decisions once again. Like they cancelled the ESL Friday Night Game because CS was going to be played at Stuttgart, but they kept the International Arms Fair in the same location.


Not stupid at all-
German E-sports industry: negligible.
German weapon industry : 3rd biggest in the world.

Age limit of 18 for paintball is sensible in my eyes. Banning is retarded ofc.
11 years and counting- TL #680
shaozu
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
China178 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-07 11:16:04
May 07 2009 11:15 GMT
#25
what's next? porn to be banned because sex offenders watch it?
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
May 07 2009 11:20 GMT
#26
normally I don't to this, but as a reaction to this I wrote a rather long mail to my representative in the Bundestag. you can easily find out who yours is if you google your city name and Bundestagsabgeordneter.
This is my truth, tell me yours!
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-07 11:42:11
May 07 2009 11:41 GMT
#27
On May 07 2009 20:20 distant_voice wrote:
normally I don't to this, but as a reaction to this I wrote a rather long mail to my representative in the Bundestag. you can easily find out who yours is if you google your city name and Bundestagsabgeordneter.


What did you write him?
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
May 07 2009 11:46 GMT
#28
On May 07 2009 18:36 pangshai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2009 18:22 GTR wrote:
this is like how they censored cs so that when you fragged someone they kneeled and put their hands on their head

lol i just youtubed it. I thought they were just going to kneel and put their hands on their head there, but they actually lay down first.



AHAHAHAH omg thats so fucking stupid
HEY MEYT
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
May 07 2009 11:46 GMT
#29
On May 07 2009 20:41 poilord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2009 20:20 distant_voice wrote:
normally I don't to this, but as a reaction to this I wrote a rather long mail to my representative in the Bundestag. you can easily find out who yours is if you google your city name and Bundestagsabgeordneter.


What did you write him?


oh well, for what it's worth:

+ Show Spoiler +
Sehr geehrter Herr Kelber,

gerade habe ich gelesen, dass die Koalition in den nächsten Wochen ein Gesetz auf den Weg bringen wird, dass unter anderem das Spielen von Paintball mit einer Geldstrafe belegt. In dem Artikel werden Mitglieder der Koalition zitiert, die glauben, dass bei dieser Sportart "das Töten simuliert" werde, und dass Paintball "sittenwidrig" sei. Hierzu möchte ich Ihnen einmal kurz meine Gedanken darlegen, und Sie bitten diese bei einer zukünftigen Abstimmung im Bundestag zu berücksichtigen.

Es ist offensichtlich, dass diese Entscheidung eine Reaktion auf die schrecklichen Ereignisse von Winnenden ist. Auch ich habe die Nachrichten zu dieser Tragödie verfolgt und war sehr betroffen. Natürlich fragt sich jeder, der mit dieser Nachricht konfrontiert wird auch, was den Täter dazu bringen konnte, solch eine Tat zu begehen. Wie rationalisierte er seine wahrscheinlich von langer Hand geplante Tat, und wie konnte er so kaltblütig sein sie auch umzusetzen? Dazu kommt auch die Frage nach der Herkunft der Waffe, ohne die nie so viele Menschen ums Leben gekommen wären.

Im Großen und Ganzen stehe ich einer Verschärfung des Waffenrechts positiv gegenüber. Was kann falsch daran sein, Menschen den Zugang zu ihnen zu erschweren? Dass es nun aber auf ein Verbot eines Spiels, einer Sportart hinausläuft, bei der Waffen benutzt werden, die weder zum Zweck der Tötung gebaut, noch dazu geeignet sind, das verwundert mich und macht mich auch wütend. Wütend vor allem deswegen, weil Waffen, die durchaus zur Tötung geeignet sind und bei der Tat in Winnenden auch gebraucht wurden, von dem Gesetzt nicht, oder kaum betroffen sind. Deswegen verspreche ich mir von diesem Gesetz überhaupt nichts. Hinzu kommt, dass die Gründe für die Existenz der Problematik von Amokläufe sich nicht in der Verfügbarkeit von Waffen erschöpfen. Naheliegender als die Maßnahme Paintball zu verbieten, wäre es für mich noch ein Verbot gegen Baseballschläger und anderes Gerät auszusprechen, dass wahrscheinlich täglich zur Verletzung oder sogar Tötung von Menschen führt.

Aber es scheint bei dieser Entscheidung nicht um die reine Gefährlichkeit der Gerätschaft zu gehen, sondern lediglich um den Sachverhalt, dass mit "Waffen", die in der Fachsprache dieser Sportart übrigens Markierer genannt werden, auf Menschen gezielt wird. Dieses Argument wird ja auch immer wieder vorgebracht, wenn es um die sogenannten "Killerspiele" geht. Meine Meinung hierzu ist, dass hier ein Missverständnis vorliegt. Ich kann Ihnen aus meiner eigenen Erfahrung versichern, dass es bei diesen Spielen, und ich meine hier sowohl Computerspiele als auch Paintball, nicht um das Töten geht, oder auch nur darum anderen Menschen Schaden zuzufügen. Das wird auch durch die oft sehr freundliche Atmosphäre deutlich, die bei Wettkämpfen herrscht. Im Fall der Computerspiele gehört es zum guten Ton, sich vor jeder Partie "Viel Spaß" zu wünschen, und sie mit einem "Gut gespielt" abzuschließen. Ich bin mir sicher, dass solche sportliche Höflichkeit auch im Paintball, wie in jeder anderen Sportart dazugehört, wobei es natürlich hier wie dort immer wieder zu Entgleisungen zwischen den Spielern kommt. Denken wir nur an die Szene zwischen Lukas Podolski und Michael Ballack. Dennoch spielt bei diesen Auseinandersetzungen der Wettkampf und das Spiel die Hauptrolle. Bedrohungen und Beschimpfungen, die sicherlich das Miteinander bestimmen würden, wenn es hier darum gehen würde das Töten zu simulieren, sind ein Ausnahmefall, den es aber ebenso in sozialen Netzwerken im Internet gibt, und deswegen nicht auf das Spiel zurückgeführt werden können. Da ich Sie, lieber Herr Kelber, nicht mit meinen Ausführungen langweilen möchte, will ich es hiermit dabei belassen festzuhalten, dass ich der Meinung bin, dass hier Sündenböcke geschaffen werden. Dies ist der beste Weg eine Verbesserung des eigentlichen Problems zu vermeiden.

"Sittenwidrig", um das Zitat ihres Kollegen nocheinmal aufzunehmen, finde ich es eher, dass die Bundesrepublik einer der größten Waffenexporteure der Welt ist und damit das Töten in viel größeren Konflikten perpetuiert. Wenn es der Politik wirklich um das Wohl jedes einzelnen gehen würde, böte sich meiner Meinung nach hier ein umkomplizierter Ansatzpunkt sich der Verantwortung für das Töten auf dieser Welt zu entziehen. Bei den in Deutschland hergestellten Waffen ist eine Diskussion um ihren Zweck nämlich überflüssig. Empfinden Sie es nicht als widersinnig, dass Deutschland mittlerweile an NATO-Einsätzen teilnimmt, bei denen eventuell deutsche Waffen auf deutsche Soldaten gerichtet werden? Dies jedoch ist ein ganz anderes Thema.

Ich hoffe, dass Sie diese Email lesen und ihren Inhalt bei der Abstimmung über das kommende Gesetz berücksichtigen werden. Für ein Gespräch zu diesem Thema bin ich jederzeit offen. Ich möchte noch anfügen, dass ich selbst kein Aktiver im Paintball bin.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,


I know it's cheesy, but that's my idea of writing a letter to guys like him. I'm sure other people can do much better.
This is my truth, tell me yours!
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-07 12:12:56
May 07 2009 11:48 GMT
#30
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 07 2009 18:36 pangshai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2009 18:22 GTR wrote:
this is like how they censored cs so that when you fragged someone they kneeled and put their hands on their head

lol i just youtubed it. I thought they were just going to kneel and put their hands on their head there, but they actually lay down first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkUuABNnTC0

reminds me of those 1950s nuclear attack educational videos...

MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
May 07 2009 12:03 GMT
#31
lol so stupid^^
https://www.twitch.tv/MasterReY/ ~ Biggest Reach fan on TL.net (Don't even dare to mention LR now) ~ R.I.P Violet ~ Developer of SCRChart
TL+ Member
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-07 12:08:49
May 07 2009 12:07 GMT
#32
I love how the German goverment acts populistic and so far away from the real problems and then everybody wonders why young people in Germany are not interested in politics.

The same procedure as last school shooting, Miss Sophie?
Same procedure as every school shooting James!
Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
May 07 2009 13:07 GMT
#33
oh god....paintballing. They are taking away such a fun game.
ya had ya shot kid!
xJacky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
China375 Posts
May 07 2009 13:09 GMT
#34
On May 07 2009 18:18 zatic wrote:
It's very simple actually. It's election time, so they have to do something regarding the recent school shooting. Of course no one wants to touch the real guns that actually kill people, because there are 1.5 million voters registered in hunting and shooting clubs.

So they are looking for a pawn to sacrifice (does this expression exist in English btw?). Computer games have had the blame too often and have a strong lobby by now - paintball however is an obscure hobby with very little support.

But, rest assured paint ball players, nothing is going to happen. This is just elections. Banning paint ball was already on the last administrations agenda - nothing happened. Same here, as soon as the election are over, no one will talk about this anymore.


the word is scapegoat?
Love was supposed to be something women chased, not men. - Neil Strauss
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
May 07 2009 13:23 GMT
#35
So germany has some wild cencoring going on when it comes to computer games and it seems like after those rules got implemented they had school shootings. Might be a connection there.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15355 Posts
May 07 2009 13:42 GMT
#36
On May 07 2009 22:09 xJacky wrote:
the word is scapegoat?

No, scapegoat has a different meaning, that's why I was asking. I just hadn't heard the sacrificial pawn expression in English before, whereas it is a very common term in German.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 07 2009 14:09 GMT
#37
On May 07 2009 22:42 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2009 22:09 xJacky wrote:
the word is scapegoat?

No, scapegoat has a different meaning, that's why I was asking. I just hadn't heard the sacrificial pawn expression in English before, whereas it is a very common term in German.


What you're talking about is in fact "scapegoating."

Scapegoating is the act of holding a person, group of people, or thing responsible for a multitude of problems.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
May 07 2009 14:30 GMT
#38
On May 07 2009 23:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2009 22:42 zatic wrote:
On May 07 2009 22:09 xJacky wrote:
the word is scapegoat?

No, scapegoat has a different meaning, that's why I was asking. I just hadn't heard the sacrificial pawn expression in English before, whereas it is a very common term in German.


What you're talking about is in fact "scapegoating."

Show nested quote +
Scapegoating is the act of holding a person, group of people, or thing responsible for a multitude of problems.

Stop correcting him when what he said in the first place wasn't wrong
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 07 2009 14:37 GMT
#39
On May 07 2009 23:30 sixghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2009 23:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On May 07 2009 22:42 zatic wrote:
On May 07 2009 22:09 xJacky wrote:
the word is scapegoat?

No, scapegoat has a different meaning, that's why I was asking. I just hadn't heard the sacrificial pawn expression in English before, whereas it is a very common term in German.


What you're talking about is in fact "scapegoating."

Scapegoating is the act of holding a person, group of people, or thing responsible for a multitude of problems.

Stop correcting him when what he said in the first place wasn't wrong


So they are looking for a pawn to sacrifice (does this expression exist in English btw?).

Yes.

It's generally called Scapegoating.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
May 07 2009 14:48 GMT
#40
On May 07 2009 23:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2009 22:42 zatic wrote:
On May 07 2009 22:09 xJacky wrote:
the word is scapegoat?

No, scapegoat has a different meaning, that's why I was asking. I just hadn't heard the sacrificial pawn expression in English before, whereas it is a very common term in German.


What you're talking about is in fact "scapegoating."

Show nested quote +
Scapegoating is the act of holding a person, group of people, or thing responsible for a multitude of problems.


I don't think so. Especially since zatic himself said that he didn't mean scapegoating. What he might have meant is that the government were willing to sacrifice the vote of paintballers in order to gain more votes from the rest of the voters. The paintballers being the pawn, the rest of the voters being the higher value piece in chess... something like that :D
BW4Life!
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
20:00
ProLeague - RO32 Group A
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs OyAji
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
ZZZero.O194
LiquipediaDiscussion
LAN Event
18:00
Stellar Fest: Day 2
Zoun vs ScarlettLIVE!
Clem vs TriGGeR
ComeBackTV 880
UrsaTVCanada801
IndyStarCraft 310
EnkiAlexander 63
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 310
Nathanias 83
elazer 52
Railgan 50
ForJumy 3
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 1345
White-Ra 206
ZZZero.O 194
Dota 2
febbydoto11
LuMiX1
League of Legends
KnowMe78
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu463
Khaldor263
Other Games
Grubby4344
Beastyqt743
FrodaN533
Mlord326
Pyrionflax253
Fuzer 205
ToD119
mouzStarbuck117
ArmadaUGS88
goatrope76
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick875
Counter-Strike
PGL108
Other Games
angryscii15
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 28
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• 3DClanTV 29
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2904
• masondota2524
• Ler94
• lizZardDota280
League of Legends
• imaqtpie3051
Other Games
• Scarra526
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
55m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
11h 55m
WardiTV Korean Royale
13h 55m
LAN Event
16h 55m
IPSL
19h 55m
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
21h 55m
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
1d 10h
Wardi Open
1d 13h
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.