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It seems from the article that the bully who punched him cause and immediate reprisal, That is how self defense is defined. And it is only to the extent that the aggressor is no longer a threat and with appropriate force. It Also says the korean kid only threw a single punch to break the kids nose. That is in no way overstretching his right to self defense.
It seems that the kid was wrongly charged in my opinion and to state that the aggressor was being hospitalized was a bit of an overstatement. He probably got an xray and got sent home.
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On May 04 2009 06:36 IzzyCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 06:32 berkguyyy wrote:On May 04 2009 06:26 IzzyCraft wrote:
Lol who's the racist in the thread calling one guy korean and the other guy just "white". You do realize that "White" is the accepted term of ethnicity just like "Korean". Check any standardized test and you'll see. But why is that acceptable to call someone white when they are French or German. But no no no i am KOREAN Chinese japaneese not just Asian.
Well first of all it's not usually racist to describe someone as Asian instead of their nationality..( I guess it can be, depending on how you say it) But if you tried to do that for white people it would be way too confusing, since most of us in America would be like, 1/8 Irish 1/8 Polish 1/16 German 1/16 French etc... You don't really see that as much with Asian countries. They're still pretty racially homogenous.
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When I first read this article, I thought it was the sequel to some wild crazy YouTube video.
On topic though, the guy DID provoke the kid by attacking him/insulting him. That is grounds for a self-defense. However, if the Korean kid just let the guy hit him without retaliating, he could have simply filed assault charges/battery and be done with it. Much more easier imo. It also appears that if he took that course of action, he would get support, after all, many students did testify about how the aggressor acted.
However, slapping the Korean kid with an expulsion whilst giving the white kid a suspension for the same action (punching one another) is unfair. If both students were slapped with an expulsion or if both students got a suspension it'd be fine (though the former is may seem unfair due to the fact that the Korean got provoked and was not the instigator.). But, rather than being consistent with their punishments, the administration decided to give one student a harsher penalty for the same action as the other kid, especially if the student that got provoked was the one with the harsher punishment. It makes no sense and I see no basis in it.
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On May 04 2009 06:32 berkguyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 06:26 IzzyCraft wrote:
Lol who's the racist in the thread calling one guy korean and the other guy just "white". You do realize that "White" is the accepted term of ethnicity just like "Korean". Check any standardized test and you'll see.
I don't think its acceptable. I'm not a color. That would like be calling all Asians yellow.
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I live in a small community in West Canada called FraserHeights. Here, the population is literally 50% koreans, and there is a pc bang here. I enjoy playing koreans every once in a while here, and I don't think there is much racism going on.
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I believe they should both be punished, but the white kid should get a slightly severer punishment. The korean guy acted in self defence, and didn't instigate or provoke anything. However, the korean guy shouldn't of punched back, but instead of should of just called a teacher or something[ Although i understand why he would of punched the white kid], and the white kid shouldn't of taunted him/hit him in the first place.
The justice system fails if the korean guy gets a harsher punishment then the white guy, imo.
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On May 04 2009 08:39 Meretricious wrote:
I believe they should both be punished, but the white kid should get a slightly severer punishment. The korean guy acted in self defence, and didn't instigate or provoke anything. However, the korean guy shouldn't of punched back, but instead of should of just called a teacher or something[ Although i understand why he would of punched the white kid], and the white kid shouldn't of taunted him/hit him in the first place.
The justice system fails if the korean guy gets a harsher punishment then the white guy, imo.
Why shouldn't he have punched back? What if the white kid decided to take another swing? No the korean kid is in the clear here. You can't just try to run from a fight. That's how you get hit in the back of the head.
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sorry but if you break someones nose you're gonna be punished far more than if you didn't. this is so standard
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Does anyone else find it funny how the article delves deeply into the asian student's academics?
I mean why don't they talk about the academics of the white kid?
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On May 04 2009 04:00 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +The boy, whose marks included 96% in science, 94% in French, and 90% in math, must now appear in a youth court on May 13. He's not Asian, no hate crime here.
LoL, win. I see what you did there. =)
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On May 04 2009 06:39 berkguyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 06:11 sexsexpussyhair wrote:On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote:
Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town. i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all. not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed... if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man. In the end it boils down to what you consider a man and a kid. Reading from your statement, I presume your standard of maturity is based on legal standards. Fair enough. From my side, my belief in maturity is based on one's sense of respect for onself and others. This means if someone acts like a racist dude and attacks me, out of respect for myself I will stand my ground. That doesn't mean I'll place the other guy in a vegetative state, but I will let him know that I will not be messed with. And you know what, I accept the consequences of my actions which I feel is the real basis for maturity. Btw, I'm blackbelt hiya!
the law doesn't care if you stand up for yourself or not, if you severely injury the other guy, you will end up getting the most charges. sometimes you can't control the consequence of your actions, just like the korean kid, he intentionally used his left hand(weakest hand) and aimed for the jaw and look what happened -punch landed much higher and broke his nose instead. there is always great uncertainty in the outcome in any fight, you could knock the guy out in 1 hit, then he falls down and head bangs on the floor and get a concussion lose whatever ability, then you will pay for all the consequence no matter how you justify your actions in response to his actions. you have to know how the law system works, you let your emotion get the better side of you then it is over for good.
if you don't think before you act, you suffer the consequence, there is chinese saying think three times before you act and I am sure you parents always tell you to be cautious, there is a reason behind that. your maturity is not real maturity, just think about why are there so many laws based on age? drinking law, driving law, insurance policy etc... because they know once most people get to that stage, they act and behave differently than what a 15yr old hot head kid would do. i'm not here to force you to act in any other way than you normally would, i can't change that, i am just here to offer advices; it is always good to learn from examples from others and from people before you so you don't make the same mistake again and regret for life.
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On May 04 2009 09:17 sexsexpussyhair wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 06:39 berkguyyy wrote:On May 04 2009 06:11 sexsexpussyhair wrote:On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote:
Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town. i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all. not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed... if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man. In the end it boils down to what you consider a man and a kid. Reading from your statement, I presume your standard of maturity is based on legal standards. Fair enough. From my side, my belief in maturity is based on one's sense of respect for onself and others. This means if someone acts like a racist dude and attacks me, out of respect for myself I will stand my ground. That doesn't mean I'll place the other guy in a vegetative state, but I will let him know that I will not be messed with. And you know what, I accept the consequences of my actions which I feel is the real basis for maturity. Btw, I'm blackbelt hiya! the law doesn't care if you stand up for yourself or not, if you severely injury the other guy, you will end up getting the most charges. sometimes you can't control the consequence of your actions, just like the korean kid, he intentionally used his left hand(weakest hand) and aimed for the jaw and look what happened -punch landed much higher and broke his nose instead. there is always great uncertainty in the outcome in any fight, you could knock the guy out in 1 hit, then he falls down and head bangs on the floor and get a concussion lose whatever ability, then you will pay for all the consequence no matter how you justify your actions in response to his actions. you have to know how the law system works, you let your emotion get the better side of you then it is over for good. if you don't think before you act, you suffer the consequence, there is chinese saying think three times before you act and I am sure you parents always tell you to be cautious, there is a reason behind that. your maturity is not real maturity, just think about why are there so many laws based on age? drinking law, driving law, insurance policy etc... because they know once most people get to that stage, they act and behave differently than what a 15yr old hot head kid would do. i'm not here to force you to act in any other way than you normally would, i can't change that, i am just here to offer advices; it is always good to learn from examples from others and from people before you so you don't make the same mistake again and regret for life.
good thing california law states that if you honestly feel you are in immediate danger and react reasonably to it, then it is considered self defense.
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On May 04 2009 09:17 sexsexpussyhair wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 06:39 berkguyyy wrote:On May 04 2009 06:11 sexsexpussyhair wrote:On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote:
Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town. i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all. not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed... if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man. In the end it boils down to what you consider a man and a kid. Reading from your statement, I presume your standard of maturity is based on legal standards. Fair enough. From my side, my belief in maturity is based on one's sense of respect for onself and others. This means if someone acts like a racist dude and attacks me, out of respect for myself I will stand my ground. That doesn't mean I'll place the other guy in a vegetative state, but I will let him know that I will not be messed with. And you know what, I accept the consequences of my actions which I feel is the real basis for maturity. Btw, I'm blackbelt hiya! the law doesn't care if you stand up for yourself or not, if you severely injury the other guy, you will end up getting the most charges. sometimes you can't control the consequence of your actions, just like the korean kid, he intentionally used his left hand(weakest hand) and aimed for the jaw and look what happened -punch landed much higher and broke his nose instead. there is always great uncertainty in the outcome in any fight, you could knock the guy out in 1 hit, then he falls down and head bangs on the floor and get a concussion lose whatever ability, then you will pay for all the consequence no matter how you justify your actions in response to his actions. you have to know how the law system works, you let your emotion get the better side of you then it is over for good. if you don't think before you act, you suffer the consequence, there is chinese saying think three times before you act and I am sure you parents always tell you to be cautious, there is a reason behind that. your maturity is not real maturity, just think about why are there so many laws based on age? drinking law, driving law, insurance policy etc... because they know once most people get to that stage, they act and behave differently than what a 15yr old hot head kid would do. i'm not here to force you to act in any other way than you normally would, i can't change that, i am just here to offer advices; it is always good to learn from examples from others and from people before you so you don't make the same mistake again and regret for life.
Well, would most mature people have a username like "sexsexpussyhair"?
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On May 04 2009 00:49 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2009 13:32 catbert1 wrote:
"It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault
i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea:
i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued
if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts
even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time America was built on immigration. There isn't a single person living in America that hasn't come from somewhere else within the last 400 or so years, besides the Native Americans. American growth is fueled mostly by immigration. If you go to a country where the population is virtually homogeneous, you are pretty much asking to be discriminated against.
I agree with this.
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On May 04 2009 09:26 ilistis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 09:17 sexsexpussyhair wrote:On May 04 2009 06:39 berkguyyy wrote:On May 04 2009 06:11 sexsexpussyhair wrote:On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote:
Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town. i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all. not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed... if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man. In the end it boils down to what you consider a man and a kid. Reading from your statement, I presume your standard of maturity is based on legal standards. Fair enough. From my side, my belief in maturity is based on one's sense of respect for onself and others. This means if someone acts like a racist dude and attacks me, out of respect for myself I will stand my ground. That doesn't mean I'll place the other guy in a vegetative state, but I will let him know that I will not be messed with. And you know what, I accept the consequences of my actions which I feel is the real basis for maturity. Btw, I'm blackbelt hiya! the law doesn't care if you stand up for yourself or not, if you severely injury the other guy, you will end up getting the most charges. sometimes you can't control the consequence of your actions, just like the korean kid, he intentionally used his left hand(weakest hand) and aimed for the jaw and look what happened -punch landed much higher and broke his nose instead. there is always great uncertainty in the outcome in any fight, you could knock the guy out in 1 hit, then he falls down and head bangs on the floor and get a concussion lose whatever ability, then you will pay for all the consequence no matter how you justify your actions in response to his actions. you have to know how the law system works, you let your emotion get the better side of you then it is over for good. if you don't think before you act, you suffer the consequence, there is chinese saying think three times before you act and I am sure you parents always tell you to be cautious, there is a reason behind that. your maturity is not real maturity, just think about why are there so many laws based on age? drinking law, driving law, insurance policy etc... because they know once most people get to that stage, they act and behave differently than what a 15yr old hot head kid would do. i'm not here to force you to act in any other way than you normally would, i can't change that, i am just here to offer advices; it is always good to learn from examples from others and from people before you so you don't make the same mistake again and regret for life. Well, would most mature people have a username like "sexsexpussyhair"?
dude is this even relevant? if you got nothing good to say in this thread other than to post some bs to increase your post count, do it else where. i use this because i thought it is funny because of its origin. why the fuck would i use some regular name like some people...
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On May 04 2009 09:25 DeathSpank wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 09:17 sexsexpussyhair wrote:On May 04 2009 06:39 berkguyyy wrote:On May 04 2009 06:11 sexsexpussyhair wrote:On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote:
Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town. i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all. not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed... if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man. In the end it boils down to what you consider a man and a kid. Reading from your statement, I presume your standard of maturity is based on legal standards. Fair enough. From my side, my belief in maturity is based on one's sense of respect for onself and others. This means if someone acts like a racist dude and attacks me, out of respect for myself I will stand my ground. That doesn't mean I'll place the other guy in a vegetative state, but I will let him know that I will not be messed with. And you know what, I accept the consequences of my actions which I feel is the real basis for maturity. Btw, I'm blackbelt hiya! the law doesn't care if you stand up for yourself or not, if you severely injury the other guy, you will end up getting the most charges. sometimes you can't control the consequence of your actions, just like the korean kid, he intentionally used his left hand(weakest hand) and aimed for the jaw and look what happened -punch landed much higher and broke his nose instead. there is always great uncertainty in the outcome in any fight, you could knock the guy out in 1 hit, then he falls down and head bangs on the floor and get a concussion lose whatever ability, then you will pay for all the consequence no matter how you justify your actions in response to his actions. you have to know how the law system works, you let your emotion get the better side of you then it is over for good. if you don't think before you act, you suffer the consequence, there is chinese saying think three times before you act and I am sure you parents always tell you to be cautious, there is a reason behind that. your maturity is not real maturity, just think about why are there so many laws based on age? drinking law, driving law, insurance policy etc... because they know once most people get to that stage, they act and behave differently than what a 15yr old hot head kid would do. i'm not here to force you to act in any other way than you normally would, i can't change that, i am just here to offer advices; it is always good to learn from examples from others and from people before you so you don't make the same mistake again and regret for life. good thing california law states that if you honestly feel you are in immediate danger and react reasonably to it, then it is considered self defense.
lol this is where lawyers in court argue over, what you think may not be the same in the eyes of the judge and certainty not when it comes to the jury. just when you think you are right, boom you are wrong and you get charged and sentenced the other guy gets a slap on the wrist and walks away. i support the korean kid, but if i have a biased thought and still act like a kid i would not get a rational objective view.
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On May 04 2009 05:51 sexsexpussyhair wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 04:12 Fontong wrote:On May 04 2009 00:51 ZeaL. wrote:
The OP's article missed a few facts. The town in question is a place called Keswick, small farming, blue collar community. Apparently the town is mostly white but there's a small community of Koreans in the area. There's already been previous acts of racism in the area, mostly something called "nipper tipping", where local kids go around the docks and push Korean people in the water while they're fishing. Awhile ago some kids pushed a few fishermen in the water and then got their asses kicked. While the Koreans were on their way home the bloodied racists chased them down in their car and knocked em off the road, killing one and paralyzing two of them. The driver is about a month away from going to prison 5 years.
I want to rage against white people so badly right now. Damn it why do I have to be half white fuck. whats your other half?
Chinese from my dads side.
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On May 03 2009 13:56 arsonist wrote:
If you've got a black belt in some form of martial art and are involved in a fight, you can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon based solely on your expertise. Can't say I know the reasoning behind the police's charges, just thought it was an interesting (and possibly relevant) tidbit.
A friend of mine from high school actually has certification saying that his body is classified as a deadly weapon, so if he were to beat someone up, he'd be in much more trouble than the average kid in a school yard scrap.
LOL thats so stupid man. so your basically suppose to not use what you learned when your well being is physically threatened and major physical harm is about to inflicted upon you. being able to defend yourself is a big part of martial arts.
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Having black belt or not, you still have a right to defend yourself...If the Korean kid did not instigate the fight he has every right to defend himself..
Hell man, like i said before, would you lay there taking the massive amount of hits somebody is throwing at you which could potentially seriously harm you, or would you fight back with all you had to survive? This being a HS fight or not does not matter, in every fight there is potential to get seriously hurt, tough shit if the white kid got his nose broke or whatever, he should of not hit him end of story....You can't expect to hit somebody and not get some consequences out of it i.e. retaliation by the other person.
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just so you guys don't read too much into that one article: the Toronto Sun has its origins as a tabloid, its gotten slightly more respectable, but it's still heavily exaggerated and opinionated.
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