This happened recently and caught my attention while I was watching TV. Initially it was just some brief news caption then I dug a little deeper on the internet and found the whole story.
A Korean boy was called a F@#$ing Chinese in gym class by a white classmate and the white classmate punched him in the mouth and caused bleeding then the Korean kid fought back broke his nose then he was the only one charged with assault and expulsion while the white kid got suspension. Later on, some 400+ kids in the school whom are majority white protested for injustice and unfair treatment which made the police reopen the case and assigned a hate crime unit to it.
To me I can see where the cops are coming from, if you get assaulted, you shouldn't fight back, instead call cops and let them handle it. But from fairness point of view the white kid who started this and he also assaulted and is the aggrevator in this case, why isn't he charged and facing expulsion?
It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE.
Just something to add, the Korean kid was also voted the 'World's Best Person' on MSNBC's Countdown With Keith Olbermann on Thursday night.
Well I'm curious to know if the Korean boy did anything to illicit that response from the white kid, but if there was nothing serious then yeah the korean had every right to defend himself. That is, so long as it was defense and not immediate revenge.
Yeah its extremely unfair but what can you do? Racism is obvious everywhere in the world. Obviously they're gonna be harsher on the Asian kid because he's not white
Ah yes he got high marks on all of his classes, because we all know that only below average students can get into fights!
Both of them should be charged with assault, that is pretty obvious. Yes it is a hate crime but the article just spins it to even more with the entire "He knows martial arts and gets good grades omgewd!" angle.
I don't think whether someone is black belt or not really matters
1. Because being black belt means zero in a real fight. Unless its a very uncommon martial arts like Muay Thai kickboxing where it really does help you in real life, black belt in karate / Tae kwon Do doesn't mean jack.
2. Whether someone spent their time toughening themselves up to protect themselves matters? If a 200 lb guy protected himself from a 100 lb guy ( who initiated the fight), is it wrong for the 200 lb guy to fight back just because he's bigger than the other guy? Can't help being born / raised like that
One of my students at work just got expelled from his school (he's a senior who got accepted to UCLA) just because his white peers accused him of something - hazing i think it was? He got into a fight because the kids were taunting him, (like this scenario) and then the kids all ganged up on him saying that he psychologically was abusing them. with no warning, no talking-to, he was expelled from school. He's currently filing a lawsuit because the administrators (all white) refuse to let him even get his diploma to graduate, messing up his college plans. And the kids who started all this? They were his "victims" apparently, although they are the ones who instigated shit by verbally abusing him and pushing him around.
On May 03 2009 13:10 AzureEye wrote: I don't think whether someone is black belt or not really matters
1. Because being black belt means zero in a real fight. Unless its a very uncommon martial arts like Muay Thai kickboxing where it really does help you in real life, black belt in karate / Tae kwon Do doesn't mean jack.
Exactly, most fights is just two guys wrestling eachother on the ground until they get tired. The only reason its even mentioned cuz whoever wrote that article has the same stupid stereotypes as the kid that striked first.
Hey guys, the article didnt mention this but the white kid liked baseball and cheeseburgers. Useful information.
Both can be charged with assault, and both are guilty. Both can be charged with battery and both are guilty. I think if we took away the broken nose, we wouldn't have an issue here.
The school obviously thinks breaking a kids nose is worse than punching a kid in the face. Schools can't expell every lad who gets into a fight, but it is reasonable to expell a student who breaks another students nose. Frankly I think the little white bastard deserved it, but the young Korean lad is far from innocent and meets the requirements to have his punishment. The rallying just shows how fucking retarded people are.
On May 03 2009 13:17 aRod wrote: Both can be charged with assault, and both are guilty. Both can be charged with battery and both are guilty. I think if we took away the broken nose, we wouldn't have an issue here.
The school obviously thinks breaking a kids nose is worse than punching a kid in the face. Schools can't expell every lad who gets into a fight, but it is reasonable to expell a student who breaks another students nose. Frankly I think the little white bastard deserved it, but the young Korean lad is far from innocent and mets the requirements to have his punishment. The rallying just shows how fucking retarded people are.
Huh? I think you underestimate just how easy it is to break someones nose when you give them a good punch to the face.
I'm pretty sure the white kid hit hard enough to cause a broken nose but just didn't hit the kids nose the right way... You should be looking for intent here. If there was intent to cause harm, bam assault charge (assuming they went through with it... which they did)
Also if someone attacks you then you have EVERY right to fight back. You can pretty much be assured you aren't going to get beat to death in a school setting but you never really know. To just stay there and say "well call the police" is only said by people that haven't been jumped before.
On May 03 2009 13:19 Jayme wrote: Also if someone attacks you then you have EVERY right to fight back. You can pretty much be assured you aren't going to get beat to death in a school setting but you never really know. To just stay there and say "well call the police" is only said by people that haven't been jumped before.
I'd take whatever battery/assault charge they throw on me knowing that I at least got one good punch. The only 2 people that I know that never hit back were Jesus and Gandhi...and if you have that kind of restraint you are a very extrodinary human being. But for everyone else, hit back.
"It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea: i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time
Fuck that, let the kids fight it out. Waiting to calling the police is stupid. Taking those punches while waiting for the police will set a precedent where any kid knows they have a window of opportunity to just beat the crap of someone before the police arrives. Allowing that to happen is idiotic.
The punishment should be a slap on the wrist by the law. The school should take whatever measure necessary for teaching's sake.
On May 03 2009 13:32 catbert1 wrote: "It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea: i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time
He didn't say America/Canada on it's own just 'another country' , every country is racist, you should come visit Australia.
Every Time I hear about punishment to this extremity I am further saddened by how pussified our kids are becoming. They should let them duke it out and toughen up.
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
well it's not purely racism, it's semi realistic. koreans simply don't start shit ever, meanwhile US army guys in korea are always starting fights giving all whites a bad name
but man do i love it when they try to say 'sorry koreans only' to me
then u just say 'but i am korean...' in korean and they are like wtf and let u in LOL
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
well it's not purely racism, it's semi realistic. koreans simply don't start shit ever, meanwhile US army guys in korea are always starting fights giving all whites a bad name
but man do i love it when they try to say 'sorry koreans only' to me
then u just say 'but i am korean...' in korean and they are like wtf and let u in LOL
On May 03 2009 13:17 aRod wrote: Both can be charged with assault, and both are guilty. Both can be charged with battery and both are guilty. I think if we took away the broken nose, we wouldn't have an issue here.
The school obviously thinks breaking a kids nose is worse than punching a kid in the face. Schools can't expell every lad who gets into a fight, but it is reasonable to expell a student who breaks another students nose. Frankly I think the little white bastard deserved it, but the young Korean lad is far from innocent and mets the requirements to have his punishment. The rallying just shows how fucking retarded people are.
Huh? I think you underestimate just how easy it is to break someones nose when you give them a good punch to the face.
I'm pretty sure the white kid hit hard enough to cause a broken nose but just didn't hit the kids nose the right way... You should be looking for intent here. If there was intent to cause harm, bam assault charge (assuming they went through with it... which they did)
Also if someone attacks you then you have EVERY right to fight back. You can pretty much be assured you aren't going to get beat to death in a school setting but you never really know. To just stay there and say "well call the police" is only said by people that haven't been jumped before.
I completely agree intent matters, but you speak as if the results of the violence doesn't matter. The results are what people see and have to deal with. Practically, we as a society dole out punishments based on results and intent. Attempted murder gets a lesser sentence than murder and punching a kid in the face gets a lesser sentence than breaking a kids nose. This is perfectly reasonable. The white lad is getting the standard sentence for punching, and the korean is getting the standard sentence for breaking a kids nose.
The teasing and bullying also has results. I think there should be a little extra in there for mocking and making fun of the korean lad. Nevertheless, we don't expell every student who makes fun of another student, we'd lose every boy in middle school otherwise.
And for those of you who think otherwise, a little clarification about fighting back. You're allowed to fight back ONLY IF there is no other option. This means, you couldn't get out of the situation in some other way. I don't know the particulars of this fight, but I doubt the Korean boy was in a situation where he could not have ran to an administrator and reported the issue.
The white kid is a little bastard and I'm glad his nose is broken, but it shouldn't be broken.
If you've got a black belt in some form of martial art and are involved in a fight, you can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon based solely on your expertise. Can't say I know the reasoning behind the police's charges, just thought it was an interesting (and possibly relevant) tidbit.
A friend of mine from high school actually has certification saying that his body is classified as a deadly weapon, so if he were to beat someone up, he'd be in much more trouble than the average kid in a school yard scrap.
well it's not purely racism, it's semi realistic. koreans simply don't start shit ever, meanwhile US army guys in korea are always starting fights giving all whites a bad name
but man do i love it when they try to say 'sorry koreans only' to me
then u just say 'but i am korean...' in korean and they are like wtf and let u in LOL
believing the stereotypes about a certain people and acting based on those prejudices is the definition of racism, rekrul
I have heard some fucked up stories about kids I went to high school with and what they've done in asian countries. I would fully understand if I went to certain areas of japan and was treated badly. Alot of members of the united states military give us all a bad name (Not a majority of our armed forces at all, please take it in the context of 'a few bad apples' rather then dissing our military, I'm not looking to start that kind of flame war)
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
well it's not purely racism, it's semi realistic. koreans simply don't start shit ever, meanwhile US army guys in korea are always starting fights giving all whites a bad name
but man do i love it when they try to say 'sorry koreans only' to me
then u just say 'but i am korean...' in korean and they are like wtf and let u in LOL
probably would've been tae kwon do since that is the korean martial art. Anyway, he was acting in self defence which is what tae kwon do trains people to do and i doubt he intended to break his nose, though its a good thing he did. Should've punched him in the throat then gouged his eyes, ripped out his intestines and strangled him with them imo.
well it's not purely racism, it's semi realistic. koreans simply don't start shit ever, meanwhile US army guys in korea are always starting fights giving all whites a bad name
but man do i love it when they try to say 'sorry koreans only' to me
then u just say 'but i am korean...' in korean and they are like wtf and let u in LOL
believing the stereotypes about a certain people and acting based on those prejudices is the definition of racism, rekrul
not when the preconception is factual often times
i'm not saying i agree with them but it's not all-out racism, it's a business decision
even 1 bad event with foreigners starting trouble in a place can kill it's business with koreans
lol the other night at casino poker room this white kid on the smaller table lost all his money and some korean guy talked shit, then the white guy was going nuts standing up saying LETS TAKE THIS OUTSIDE MAN U WANNA GO, ILL FUK U UP
he kept being all huffy puffy like a pathetic faggot then i looked at him like he's a retard and said in korean to ppl "wtf is wrong with white people in korea, if this loser was in america he'd never be acting like this" then all these koreans that NEVER talk started chiming up about how pathetic whites r in agreement and talking about all the problems they've seen
apparently the guy was smart enough to realize i was shit talking him cuz he was like "WTF U SAY MAN? WE CAN GO TOO IF U WANT"
then security made him leave
i don't know how that story is relevant at all actually, but it's funny how soooo many koreans have a flawed view on whites because of a small % of fuckups. but anyways fuck the whites in korea.
i'm not entirely sure why they found it really important to include his performances in each of his classes... it's not a bad thing, but the percentages are distracting in regards to the rest of the article.
if a black kid did it instead of the asian kid, would they also include a dossier of his athletic abilities?
"a black student defended himself in a hideous hate crime. oh by the way, speaking of stereotypes, he makes approximately 97% of his layups, 85% of his free throws, and 60% of his three pointers"
I find it kind of refreshing for one person in a fight to be suspended and one not be. Often times, we see a bully and a kid that fights back get the same treatment. Unfortunately, in this case it seems like it might not have been a good idea.
What a stupid decision on the Principal of the school...
That Korean kid had every right to defend himself. When you are in a fight, you don't know what kind of crazy shit can happen, getting hit the wrong way or falling down the wrong way can get you killed or injured in a major way...Only way to minimize those risks is to fight back and defend yourself....
I mean common, who here would just cuddle up and wait it out while some dumb ass keeps hitting you, would you not fight back to minimize the damage done to you and the pain??? Seriously would you not?
Arguing that the Korean kid should be punished for defending himself is freaking crazy...HELLO the other guy started punching you why the fuck don't you have the right to defend your life???
On May 03 2009 14:15 Makiva wrote: i'm not entirely sure why they found it really important to include his performances in each of his classes... it's not a bad thing, but the percentages are distracting in regards to the rest of the article.
if a black kid did it instead of the asian kid, would they also include a dossier of his athletic abilities?
"a black student defended himself in a hideous hate crime. oh by the way, speaking of stereotypes, he makes approximately 97% of his layups, 85% of his free throws, and 60% of his three pointers"
This is the one thing I don't like about America. If someone starts a fight with me(throwing a punch or whatever) I should have the right to defend myself until the threat is incapacitated. Then the starter of the fight should be punished accordingly.
On May 03 2009 14:15 Makiva wrote: i'm not entirely sure why they found it really important to include his performances in each of his classes... it's not a bad thing, but the percentages are distracting in regards to the rest of the article.
if a black kid did it instead of the asian kid, would they also include a dossier of his athletic abilities?
"a black student defended himself in a hideous hate crime. oh by the way, speaking of stereotypes, he makes approximately 97% of his layups, 85% of his free throws, and 60% of his three pointers"
They just included that because it's rare for someone who's a really good student to face criminal charges. Whereas, there's plenty of people that are good at basketball but also criminals hell there might even be a positive correlation there lol.
God the worlds so PC now. a Hate crime unit for calling a kid a racist name and geting into a fight with him? Fuck do the cops really need to be called in for a fight in school even wtf?
Kids get into fights shit happens its not that serious
well when you have an all-volunteer army like America, who wants to go to the army? mostly ppl who couldnt be anything or get into college (except officers) are at the bottom of American society and end up going to other counties to represent. Foreigners in korea facing racism is real too but how many of them speak korean? if you cant speak the country's language thats ur own problem.
Hm.. wow... that is pretty harsh... I suppose this is what the real world is and what reality is whereas most of us in the world don't even have such incident happen but for those misfortunate unlucky ones....
In any case, best of lucks for the case (and for lilsusie's friend case) to be resolved as best as possible!!
On May 03 2009 13:17 aRod wrote: Both can be charged with assault, and both are guilty. Both can be charged with battery and both are guilty. I think if we took away the broken nose, we wouldn't have an issue here.
The school obviously thinks breaking a kids nose is worse than punching a kid in the face. Schools can't expell every lad who gets into a fight, but it is reasonable to expell a student who breaks another students nose. Frankly I think the little white bastard deserved it, but the young Korean lad is far from innocent and meets the requirements to have his punishment. The rallying just shows how fucking retarded people are.
how can you honestly call someone a criminal for fighting back after he was verbally and physically assaulted. your comment just shows how retarded you really are. I would love to show up to your house and verbally assault you and then physically attack you, just to see how much of a hypocrite you are.
On May 03 2009 13:56 arsonist wrote: If you've got a black belt in some form of martial art and are involved in a fight, you can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon based solely on your expertise. Can't say I know the reasoning behind the police's charges, just thought it was an interesting (and possibly relevant) tidbit.
A friend of mine from high school actually has certification saying that his body is classified as a deadly weapon, so if he were to beat someone up, he'd be in much more trouble than the average kid in a school yard scrap.
This is true. You get into more shit just for having a degree in martial arts as opposed to not having a degree. But at least the white kid should get charged as well.
On May 03 2009 13:32 catbert1 wrote: "It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea: i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time
You think ALL of America is "accepting" as you put it? Maybe the bigger cities, maybe the metropolitan areas. You go out west more, south more and you really think that racism doesn't exist there? As a fuckin' grad student in Indiana I got told several times "Oh, you speak good English!" (to which I reply, No, I speak English WELL), or have people say things like "oh but your people blah blah blah".
We have a black president after HOW many years of black citizens fighting for their freedom?
At the same time, do you feel that teh white people in Korea represent all white people? The ones here are GIs who like to pick fights and English teachers who think that they are the shit. Arrogant and cocky and degrading, as if they are gracing us with their presence.
No matter which country I go to, it's pretty apparent that there is a level of racism. The looks I get for walking around with my white boyfriend range from disgust to jealousy - all depending on the individual who is looking. So don't give me the whole "America is so wonderful" because although it might be nice for immigrants on a legal level, there's a reason why most asians stick with their own (Chinatowns, Korea towns) - and it's not mainly because of the language.
A Korean boy was called a F@#$ing Chinese in gym class by a white classmate and the white classmate punched him in the mouth and caused bleeding then the Korean kid fought back broke his nose then he was the only one charged with assault and expulsion while the white kid got suspension.
I don't see how he got assault charges when it was self defense. Expulsion is just up to the school so you really cant say anything there, but the fact that only he was explelled and the other kid wasn't doesn't even make sense. Racist Committee imo.
On May 03 2009 13:32 catbert1 wrote: "It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea: i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time
You think ALL of America is "accepting" as you put it? Maybe the bigger cities, maybe the metropolitan areas. You go out west more, south more and you really think that racism doesn't exist there? As a fuckin' grad student in Indiana I got told several times "Oh, you speak good English!" (to which I reply, No, I speak English WELL), or have people say things like "oh but your people blah blah blah".
We have a black president after HOW many years of black citizens fighting for their freedom?
At the same time, do you feel that teh white people in Korea represent all white people? The ones here are GIs who like to pick fights and English teachers who think that they are the shit. Arrogant and cocky and degrading, as if they are gracing us with their presence.
No matter which country I go to, it's pretty apparent that there is a level of racism. The looks I get for walking around with my white boyfriend range from disgust to jealousy - all depending on the individual who is looking. So don't give me the whole "America is so wonderful" because although it might be nice for immigrants on a legal level, there's a reason why most asians stick with their own (Chinatowns, Korea towns) - and it's not mainly because of the language.
Yeah it's not cause of the language, it's because they are closed minded conformists scared of straying from what they know, which is why the whites say and assume all those 'racist' things.
You don't get looks of disgust and/or jealousy littlesusan, it's in your head. And if it is happening it's merely because Jamie could get any girl he wants in this world. Don't deny it, u know he's outa ur league!!!
On May 03 2009 13:05 AzureEye wrote: Yeah its extremely unfair but what can you do? Racism is obvious everywhere in the world. Obviously they're gonna be harsher on the Asian kid because he's not white
Hope they fix this screwed up issue
cops may be racist too =/
On May 03 2009 13:15 il0seonpurpose wrote: Wow lilsusie, I feel bad for him.
So the white students that called for injustice were saying it was injustice for the white guy or the Korean?Btw, epic name lol
On May 03 2009 13:17 aRod wrote: Both can be charged with assault, and both are guilty. Both can be charged with battery and both are guilty. I think if we took away the broken nose, we wouldn't have an issue here.
The school obviously thinks breaking a kids nose is worse than punching a kid in the face. Schools can't expell every lad who gets into a fight, but it is reasonable to expell a student who breaks another students nose. Frankly I think the little white bastard deserved it, but the young Korean lad is far from innocent and mets the requirements to have his punishment. The rallying just shows how fucking retarded people are.
Huh? I think you underestimate just how easy it is to break someones nose when you give them a good punch to the face.
I'm pretty sure the white kid hit hard enough to cause a broken nose but just didn't hit the kids nose the right way... You should be looking for intent here. If there was intent to cause harm, bam assault charge (assuming they went through with it... which they did)
Also if someone attacks you then you have EVERY right to fight back. You can pretty much be assured you aren't going to get beat to death in a school setting but you never really know. To just stay there and say "well call the police" is only said by people that haven't been jumped before.
I completely agree intent matters, but you speak as if the results of the violence doesn't matter. The results are what people see and have to deal with. Practically, we as a society dole out punishments based on results and intent. Attempted murder gets a lesser sentence than murder and punching a kid in the face gets a lesser sentence than breaking a kids nose. This is perfectly reasonable. The white lad is getting the standard sentence for punching, and the korean is getting the standard sentence for breaking a kids nose.
The teasing and bullying also has results. I think there should be a little extra in there for mocking and making fun of the korean lad. Nevertheless, we don't expell every student who makes fun of another student, we'd lose every boy in middle school otherwise.
And for those of you who think otherwise, a little clarification about fighting back. You're allowed to fight back ONLY IF there is no other option. This means, you couldn't get out of the situation in some other way. I don't know the particulars of this fight, but I doubt the Korean boy was in a situation where he could not have ran to an administrator and reported the issue.
The white kid is a little bastard and I'm glad his nose is broken, but it shouldn't be broken.
u got it wrong.. at least in america though the self-defense act allows you to protect urself the perpetrator is still allowed to charge a victim for fighting back... though it's very very unlikely the person will win and therefore they won't do such a thing, they still hold the right to charge their victim for fighting back... it's pretty retarded but that's how it is...
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On May 03 2009 15:36 MuffiN wrote: how do we evne know this kid is korean. it said F'ing chinese........
which is wat most fukin asshole white kids say to any asians...
LOL lilsusie, you are going overboard i dont know many black politicians worthy of becoming a president, it has nothing to do with them fighting for their freedom. If anything, the fact that this country got a black president should speak in the favor of the guy you arguing with, but you trying to flip it over before someone uses it in the argument. racism is absolutely common, nothing new here. In US it probably generates worse scenarios overall, but imo in asian countries people are less accepting and more traditional in general also funny quote about your white boyfriend, im sure u get WAY more "looks" in korea then the hateful US
Later on, some 400+ kids in the school whom are majority white protested for injustice and unfair treatment which made the police reopen the case and assigned a hate crime unit to it.
Look if THEY'RE protesting about unfairness on behalf of the Asian, I mean come on Keswick High School people, if that isn't saying anything than what will make them correctly identify what happened?
On May 03 2009 13:05 AzureEye wrote: Yeah its extremely unfair but what can you do? Racism is obvious everywhere in the world. Obviously they're gonna be harsher on the Asian kid because he's not white
On May 03 2009 13:17 aRod wrote: Both can be charged with assault, and both are guilty. Both can be charged with battery and both are guilty. I think if we took away the broken nose, we wouldn't have an issue here.
The school obviously thinks breaking a kids nose is worse than punching a kid in the face. Schools can't expell every lad who gets into a fight, but it is reasonable to expell a student who breaks another students nose. Frankly I think the little white bastard deserved it, but the young Korean lad is far from innocent and mets the requirements to have his punishment. The rallying just shows how fucking retarded people are.
Huh? I think you underestimate just how easy it is to break someones nose when you give them a good punch to the face.
I'm pretty sure the white kid hit hard enough to cause a broken nose but just didn't hit the kids nose the right way... You should be looking for intent here. If there was intent to cause harm, bam assault charge (assuming they went through with it... which they did)
Also if someone attacks you then you have EVERY right to fight back. You can pretty much be assured you aren't going to get beat to death in a school setting but you never really know. To just stay there and say "well call the police" is only said by people that haven't been jumped before.
I completely agree intent matters, but you speak as if the results of the violence doesn't matter. The results are what people see and have to deal with. Practically, we as a society dole out punishments based on results and intent. Attempted murder gets a lesser sentence than murder and punching a kid in the face gets a lesser sentence than breaking a kids nose. This is perfectly reasonable. The white lad is getting the standard sentence for punching, and the korean is getting the standard sentence for breaking a kids nose.
The teasing and bullying also has results. I think there should be a little extra in there for mocking and making fun of the korean lad. Nevertheless, we don't expell every student who makes fun of another student, we'd lose every boy in middle school otherwise.
And for those of you who think otherwise, a little clarification about fighting back. You're allowed to fight back ONLY IF there is no other option. This means, you couldn't get out of the situation in some other way. I don't know the particulars of this fight, but I doubt the Korean boy was in a situation where he could not have ran to an administrator and reported the issue.
The white kid is a little bastard and I'm glad his nose is broken, but it shouldn't be broken.
u got it wrong.. at least in america though the self-defense act allows you to protect urself the perpetrator is still allowed to charge a victim for fighting back... though it's very very unlikely the person will win and therefore they won't do such a thing, they still hold the right to charge their victim for fighting back... it's pretty retarded but that's how it is...
On May 03 2009 13:05 AzureEye wrote: Yeah its extremely unfair but what can you do? Racism is obvious everywhere in the world. Obviously they're gonna be harsher on the Asian kid because he's not white
Hope they fix this screwed up issue
cops may be racist too =/
Cops are more likely to be racist than children, but they back that up with a gun that they can use with impunity. And the school administrators, too.
You can see it in the way they handled the situation - the asymmetrical punishment that they handed out to the aggressor and the initial victim. Trusting people in positions of authority to dole out justice is naive.
To be fair, the article says that he's only up for expulsion, but can defend himself to a committee. He probably won't get expelled after the student protest and media coverage. As for the charges, I have no idea what will happen with that. He did break a kid's nose, albeit unintentionally. Given that he's a minor, and criminal records are reset when you turn 18, at least it shouldn't prevent him from getting a good job down the line.
America is too large to give it the label of racist or not. We all know middle America is as fucking racist as any other country in the world, if not the biggest bigots in the western world. I live in New York where white men tend to get screwed out of school or jobs as administrators look to diversify their system. Case in point, My school is 62% Asian with a White minority. LA is racist only due to its socio-economic issues, not much else, but East Coast (NYC) you pretty much can't commit a hate crime lest you want your life shat on.
Is America on a whole to be considered Racist? Nah.
And Susie, to act as if its been too long a time between civil right movement and having a black president, it should be noted that we're actually one the only western countries to be able to do so - and that is overcoming some of the biggest bigotry that is the American south and mid-west. Try getting a Jewish President, and that isn't even skin color ;p
-_- i'd cheer for the kid for kickin some white ignorant ass. I'm one that would walk away when someone says shit like that but i like this kid for not like taking crap.
oh common, everybody in this thread is acting like there so pure about racism and such. we all know everybody is a little bit racist inside and have biases. But this kid went overboard i agree.
Any kid that starts shit deserves whatever the beating they get. Doesn't matter what it was, racism, sexism, or a shove. If you're the provoker, you deserve to get your ass beat cuz no one asked to be put down.
Wow, some intense discussions going on in here. I'll chime in.
A long time ago I made this thread to share my lil confrontation with some dude who I was friendly with (or so I thought). It was my first in-my-face physical encounter with racism. Being the proud boxer I wanted to knock 'em out. Nevertheless I went through the company and learned that he twisted things around and said that I called him a "cracka" first (please, I'd never used that weakass word).
Anyway, I went to a mutual friend on the job and learned a bit more. Turns out he was beaten up quite a bit in school coming up, until his police officer father put his foot down and said enough is enough. They bulked him up and supposedly he fought the bullies off. He's carried the complex with him since, which explains why his fight-never-flight instincts are so active. They really did a number on him that he's gonna be carrying for the rest of his life.
In an odd way I identified with that. He apologized later and the whole thing just kinda went away. But as I got to see more of him on the job, his antics became crazier and crazier. His laughs were maniacal, he'd take huge chances unnecessarily, as if he wanted to die. I didn't have to do shit, that stuff's gonna catch up with him sooner or later.
Anyway I just wanna say that racism is one form of bigotry, what makes it racism is simply the motivation behind it. Its intensely personal, which can really blind and damage a person. It stops a lot of people from thinking. There's always other ways to settle a score, even physically, but it takes thinking and planning. If I had gone through with the "carve a fear into him" option I'd be satisfied for a week...and arrested most likely. It's not worth it. You wanna plan your entry AND your exit. Either say fuck it and be unbreakable (and confident in the fact that plenty of good people exist) or stealth-fuck the person (physical or otherwise) and be gone when he comes to.
It's like SC, different race plays different. It's not always fair but playing smart wins, period. In any tricky situation (doesn't have to be racism, could be about anything that blows outta proportions), ask yourself how much it's really worth to you, and do the proper thing.
On May 03 2009 16:26 .risingdragoon wrote: Wow, some intense discussions going on in here. I'll chime in.
A long time ago I made this thread to share my lil confrontation with some dude who I was friendly with (or so I thought). It was my first in-my-face physical encounter with racism. Being the proud boxer I wanted to knock 'em out. Nevertheless I went through the company and learned that he twisted things around and said that I called him a "cracka" first (please, I'd never used that weakass word).
Anyway, I went to a mutual friend on the job and learned a bit more. Turns out he was beaten up quite a bit in school coming up, until his police officer father put his foot down and said enough is enough. They bulked him up and supposedly he fought the bullies off. He's carried the complex with him since, which explains why his fight-never-flight instincts are so active. They really did a number on him that he's gonna be carrying for the rest of his life.
In an odd way I identified with that. He apologized later and the whole thing just kinda went away. But as I got to see more of him on the job, his antics became crazier and crazier. His laughs were maniacal, he'd take huge chances unnecessarily, as if he wanted to die. I didn't have to do shit, that stuff's gonna catch up with him sooner or later.
Anyway I just wanna say that racism is one form of bigotry, what makes it racism is simply the motivation behind it. Its intensely personal, which can really blind and damage a person. It stops a lot of people from thinking. There's always other ways to settle a score, even physically, but it takes thinking and planning. If I had gone through with the "carve a fear into him" option I'd be satisfied for a week...and arrested most likely. It's not worth it. You wanna plan your entry AND your exit. Either say fuck it and be unbreakable (and confident in the fact that good people do exist) or stealth-fuck the person (physical or otherwise) and be gone when he comes to.
most of your post has a nice beat too it, it was like you were rapping it. ontopic: "do the smart thing" ammirite?
i dont get how the white kid getting get charged. fuckers gets away with anything, haha. i wonder if this korean played SC. i bet he didnt bc he sure as fuck mismicro'd the punch to the jaw and nipped at the nose. police are stupid as far as i can tell.
On May 03 2009 15:37 food wrote: LOL lilsusie, you are going overboard i dont know many black politicians worthy of becoming a president, it has nothing to do with them fighting for their freedom. If anything, the fact that this country got a black president should speak in the favor of the guy you arguing with, but you trying to flip it over before someone uses it in the argument. racism is absolutely common, nothing new here. In US it probably generates worse scenarios overall, but imo in asian countries people are less accepting and more traditional in general also funny quote about your white boyfriend, im sure u get WAY more "looks" in korea then the hateful US
my point is that both countries have their flaws in being racist. as for the black politician statement, it was to show that it's just NOW something people accept. he's a smart cookie, and thus why people voted him into office unlike the white president before him who wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
I hate to say it but when it comes to immigration and accepting different cultures, USA is better than pretty much any country out there with maybe Canada as an exception. Not that America is really great at it, it is just that all other countries sucks when it comes to immigration and how to handle it. Racism in Asia is pretty rampage, and Korea is one of the worst offenders.
On May 03 2009 17:10 Eury wrote: I hate to say it but when it comes to immigration and accepting different cultures, USA is better than pretty much any country out there with maybe Canada as an exception. Not that America is really great at it, it is just that all other countries sucks when it comes to immigration and how to handle it. Racism in Asia is pretty rampage, and Korea is one of the worst offenders.
On May 03 2009 17:10 Eury wrote: I hate to say it but when it comes to immigration and accepting different cultures, USA is better than pretty much any country out there with maybe Canada as an exception. Not that America is really great at it, it is just that all other countries sucks when it comes to immigration and how to handle it. Racism in Asia is pretty rampage, and Korea is one of the worst offenders.
Canada?
I said maybe because I honestly don't know that much about Canada. They might be as terrible as Europe when it comes to these issues for all that I know.
You think ALL of America is "accepting" as you put it? Maybe the bigger cities, maybe the metropolitan areas. You go out west more, south more and you really think that racism doesn't exist there? As a fuckin' grad student in Indiana I got told several times "Oh, you speak good English!" (to which I reply, No, I speak English WELL), or have people say things like "oh but your people blah blah blah".
We have a black president after HOW many years of black citizens fighting for their freedom?
At the same time, do you feel that teh white people in Korea represent all white people? The ones here are GIs who like to pick fights and English teachers who think that they are the shit. Arrogant and cocky and degrading, as if they are gracing us with their presence.
No matter which country I go to, it's pretty apparent that there is a level of racism. The looks I get for walking around with my white boyfriend range from disgust to jealousy - all depending on the individual who is looking. So don't give me the whole "America is so wonderful" because although it might be nice for immigrants on a legal level, there's a reason why most asians stick with their own (Chinatowns, Korea towns) - and it's not mainly because of the language.
If that's the most racism you've experienced in america you are pretty lucky. I've had situations where i'm with a korean chick and guys will straight up come up to her and ask her why she isn't dating one of her kind, and I'm totally fluent in Korean and respond 'shut the fuck up' and everyone thinks i did something wrong...lol
I'm not sure what your point is about how long it took to get a black president. We have one, that's the point. North Korea has a nuclear weapon, would you say, YEAH SURE BUT LOOK HOW LONG IT TOOK FOR THEM TO GET IT THERES NO DANGER!!!1 DUHHHH!! No. It makes no sense, I have no idea what kind of argument you are trying to make.
I'm not a GI or english teacher and will not speak for them.
Some Asian ethnic groups in america stick together because of their crazy nationalism and xenophobia. Never in my life have I been told that I shouldn't date a certain group of people. I know guys whose girls would never tell their parents they are dating a non-korean because they would literally disown them and kick them out the house. Asian culture is oppressively suffocating and you have no room to be an independent thinker. Don't blame racism. Every china/korea town is in a big city and large cities are the most tolerant places on the planet.
On May 03 2009 17:10 Eury wrote: I hate to say it but when it comes to immigration and accepting different cultures, USA is better than pretty much any country out there with maybe Canada as an exception. Not that America is really great at it, it is just that all other countries sucks when it comes to immigration and how to handle it. Racism in Asia is pretty rampage, and Korea is one of the worst offenders.
Canada?
I said maybe because I honestly don't know that much about Canada. They might be as terrible as Europe when it comes to these issues for all that I know.
No I think we're pretty good - I mean, of course racist people exist here but in my opinion we have always been good at accepting immigrants into our country. I think the real racial tension here is between natives and white people :\ But even that has pretty much settled down. I am proud of my country in regards to how we accept other cultures/embrace them.
The original article is really an isolated event... Yea it's "retarded" but I honestly don't think it's that newsworthy. It'll get settled probably rightly in court.
Bah, discrimination based on skin color is so lame. Real smart people knows that discriminating against toss 1a2a3a lamers and bisu fanboi makes far more sense.
my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
not a kid, pretty sure i'm older than you and that means you are my slave in korea, didn't you know?
On May 03 2009 17:40 catbert1 wrote: If that's the most racism you've experienced in america you are pretty lucky. I've had situations where i'm with a korean chick and guys will straight up come up to her and ask her why she isn't dating one of her kind, and I'm totally fluent in Korean and respond 'shut the fuck up' and everyone thinks i did something wrong...lol
On May 03 2009 17:02 lilsusie wrote: my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but you seem to be intentionally (or unintentionally) twisting some things around here. Just because he claimed that the US is one of the "nicest" places for immigrants doesn't mean that he was claiming that there aren't still many cases of racism in the United States (in fact no one in this thread is arguing that, quite the opposite actually). I don't think that what he said was out of line at all, nor do I think that your last line in the quote above really addresses what he said. Just what I think, though.
I also found this quote from you particularly interesting:
On May 03 2009 15:18 lilsusie wrote: You think ALL of America is "accepting" as you put it? Maybe the bigger cities, maybe the metropolitan areas. You go out west more, south more and you really think that racism doesn't exist there? As a fuckin' grad student in Indiana I got told several times "Oh, you speak good English!" (to which I reply, No, I speak English WELL), or have people say things like "oh but your people blah blah blah".
First off, I fail to see how a compliment of all things is a good example of America not being accepting. If anything, that's a good example to COUNTER the point that you were trying to make. Compared to what Rekrul wrote in regards to some Korean places not allowing foreigners in and how that, while racist, is perfectly acceptable (and honestly I would probably agree with him, without knowing any more information on the matter), your comments here are particularly intriguing, and it's interesting to see how opinions differ on the notion of acting a certain way based upon one's past experiences when the country and races change.
To elaborate on that last point a bit, I know that the school that you're referring to is Purdue (I have a good memory ). And I, as well as anyone who's ever been there, can tell you that Purdue has a very high number of Asian students. Asian graduate students. Many of which are fresh off the boat. We all know one of the common qualities that fobbish Asians have is a less-than-stellar command of the English language. For whoever made that comment to you, chances are they, and many others in West Lafayette, have had a number of encounters with fobbish Asians and have clearly recognized this tendency. So, don't you think that it would be reasonable to be somewhat surprised when an Asian who appears to be a graduate student does have a pretty strong command of the English language? Is that, as well as giving a compliment as a result of such, really a bad thing? I'm not sure if that's the way you intended it to come off as, but that's certainly what it seems like. Again, I fail to see how that's any kind of an example of America being unaccepting towards immigrants, people being rude in general, or even relevant at all to the point that you were trying to make. Even without this paragraph giving some background information about Purdue, you would think that a compliment is a good thing.
Although, when you said "or have people say things like "oh but your people blah blah blah"", that's a different story and my comments don't really apply to that
Anyway, not that I'm trying to start an argument or that I disagree with your bottom line at all (nor am I trying to pick on you by any means), but I did find some of these things particularly interesting and worth commenting on. I agree that there's racism in all countries, but I also think that many people tend to attach more significance to things (such as race) than they should. I also agree that the article in the original post is a sad story, and that the punishments should be better balanced, but I've seen far more racism in this thread than I can see in the article =[
I really think that it was a mistake to make a thread here about this article, it's almost certain to get ugly (and I guess it's not exactly pleasant now either).
You think ALL of America is "accepting" as you put it? Maybe the bigger cities, maybe the metropolitan areas. You go out west more, south more and you really think that racism doesn't exist there? As a fuckin' grad student in Indiana I got told several times "Oh, you speak good English!" (to which I reply, No, I speak English WELL), or have people say things like "oh but your people blah blah blah".
We have a black president after HOW many years of black citizens fighting for their freedom?
At the same time, do you feel that teh white people in Korea represent all white people? The ones here are GIs who like to pick fights and English teachers who think that they are the shit. Arrogant and cocky and degrading, as if they are gracing us with their presence.
No matter which country I go to, it's pretty apparent that there is a level of racism. The looks I get for walking around with my white boyfriend range from disgust to jealousy - all depending on the individual who is looking. So don't give me the whole "America is so wonderful" because although it might be nice for immigrants on a legal level, there's a reason why most asians stick with their own (Chinatowns, Korea towns) - and it's not mainly because of the language.
If that's the most racism you've experienced in america you are pretty lucky. I've had situations where i'm with a korean chick and guys will straight up come up to her and ask her why she isn't dating one of her kind, and I'm totally fluent in Korean and respond 'shut the fuck up' and everyone thinks i did something wrong...lol
I'm not sure what your point is about how long it took to get a black president. We have one, that's the point. North Korea has a nuclear weapon, would you say, YEAH SURE BUT LOOK HOW LONG IT TOOK FOR THEM TO GET IT THERES NO DANGER!!!1 DUHHHH!! No. It makes no sense, I have no idea what kind of argument you are trying to make.
I'm not a GI or english teacher and will not speak for them.
Some Asian ethnic groups in america stick together because of their crazy nationalism and xenophobia. Never in my life have I been told that I shouldn't date a certain group of people. I know guys whose girls would never tell their parents they are dating a non-korean because they would literally disown them and kick them out the house. Asian culture is oppressively suffocating and you have no room to be an independent thinker. Don't blame racism. Every china/korea town is in a big city and large cities are the most tolerant places on the planet.
now i dont know how korea is at all so I wont say anything on susie's points but I can most certainly vouch on catbert's rant of dating and crazy nationalism its sickening to a point where you really dont want to get along anymore
my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
not a kid, pretty sure i'm older than you and that means you are my slave in korea, didn't you know?
Oh, I'm so sorry I didn't know, I'll get back into the kitchen now.
my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
not a kid, pretty sure i'm older than you and that means you are my slave in korea, didn't you know?
Oh, I'm so sorry I didn't know, I'll get back into the kitchen now.
susie this isn't a sexism thread it's a racism thread
Asians in america seem really well integrated into society to me. I can't remember ever seeing any sign of racism towards asians in my town, though it is a college town. At the least, the racism isn't so overt here, which doesn't mean more subversive/subtle racism doesn't exist. Still, graduate schools here are often 70-80%+ foreign students (with the other being from america, whether korean american or a white american). In many ways you have a great chance here if you're not white because of affirmative action policies, from what I've seen...
You think ALL of America is "accepting" as you put it? Maybe the bigger cities, maybe the metropolitan areas. You go out west more, south more and you really think that racism doesn't exist there? As a fuckin' grad student in Indiana I got told several times "Oh, you speak good English!" (to which I reply, No, I speak English WELL), or have people say things like "oh but your people blah blah blah".
We have a black president after HOW many years of black citizens fighting for their freedom?
At the same time, do you feel that teh white people in Korea represent all white people? The ones here are GIs who like to pick fights and English teachers who think that they are the shit. Arrogant and cocky and degrading, as if they are gracing us with their presence.
No matter which country I go to, it's pretty apparent that there is a level of racism. The looks I get for walking around with my white boyfriend range from disgust to jealousy - all depending on the individual who is looking. So don't give me the whole "America is so wonderful" because although it might be nice for immigrants on a legal level, there's a reason why most asians stick with their own (Chinatowns, Korea towns) - and it's not mainly because of the language.
If that's the most racism you've experienced in america you are pretty lucky. I've had situations where i'm with a korean chick and guys will straight up come up to her and ask her why she isn't dating one of her kind, and I'm totally fluent in Korean and respond 'shut the fuck up' and everyone thinks i did something wrong...lol
You did do something wrong. You said "shut the fuck up" instead of "because my dick is bigger than yours."
my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
not a kid, pretty sure i'm older than you and that means you are my slave in korea, didn't you know?
Oh, I'm so sorry I didn't know, I'll get back into the kitchen now.
susie this isn't a sexism thread it's a racism thread
FUCK. ok um... let's try that again.
I'm sorry I didn't know I'll ... go date a yellow skinned, slanty-eyed man who will beat me now.
your parents would probably think your husband was right to beat you and also at least he's not black or something lol
got a story, i was walking in 명동 area and that's super populated with the giant intersections... all of a sudden this korean dude just whap hits his gf and is screaming at her and no one does anything, or acts like anything is in anyway wrong, i mean their poker faces would make rekrul jealous, so i run over and grab the dude's hand to make him stop and shove him away........ yep somehow i was wrong on this one
On May 03 2009 19:54 catbert1 wrote: your parents would probably think your husband was right to beat you and also at least he's not black or something lol
got a story, i was walking in 명동 area and that's super populated with the giant intersections... all of a sudden this korean dude just whap hits his gf and is screaming at her and no one does anything, or acts like anything is in anyway wrong, i mean their poker faces would make rekrul jealous, so i run over and grab the dude's hand to make him stop and shove him away........ yep somehow i was wrong on this one
you should have slapped her too. obviously she did something faulty.
You think ALL of America is "accepting" as you put it? Maybe the bigger cities, maybe the metropolitan areas. You go out west more, south more and you really think that racism doesn't exist there? As a fuckin' grad student in Indiana I got told several times "Oh, you speak good English!" (to which I reply, No, I speak English WELL), or have people say things like "oh but your people blah blah blah".
We have a black president after HOW many years of black citizens fighting for their freedom?
At the same time, do you feel that teh white people in Korea represent all white people? The ones here are GIs who like to pick fights and English teachers who think that they are the shit. Arrogant and cocky and degrading, as if they are gracing us with their presence.
No matter which country I go to, it's pretty apparent that there is a level of racism. The looks I get for walking around with my white boyfriend range from disgust to jealousy - all depending on the individual who is looking. So don't give me the whole "America is so wonderful" because although it might be nice for immigrants on a legal level, there's a reason why most asians stick with their own (Chinatowns, Korea towns) - and it's not mainly because of the language.
If that's the most racism you've experienced in america you are pretty lucky. I've had situations where i'm with a korean chick and guys will straight up come up to her and ask her why she isn't dating one of her kind, and I'm totally fluent in Korean and respond 'shut the fuck up' and everyone thinks i did something wrong...lol
I'm not sure what your point is about how long it took to get a black president. We have one, that's the point. North Korea has a nuclear weapon, would you say, YEAH SURE BUT LOOK HOW LONG IT TOOK FOR THEM TO GET IT THERES NO DANGER!!!1 DUHHHH!! No. It makes no sense, I have no idea what kind of argument you are trying to make.
I'm not a GI or english teacher and will not speak for them.
Some Asian ethnic groups in america stick together because of their crazy nationalism and xenophobia. Never in my life have I been told that I shouldn't date a certain group of people. I know guys whose girls would never tell their parents they are dating a non-korean because they would literally disown them and kick them out the house. Asian culture is oppressively suffocating and you have no room to be an independent thinker. Don't blame racism. Every china/korea town is in a big city and large cities are the most tolerant places on the planet.
On May 03 2009 13:40 DV8 wrote: Every Time I hear about punishment to this extremity I am further saddened by how pussified our kids are becoming. They should let them duke it out and toughen up.
On May 03 2009 21:54 ktp wrote: Everytime theres talk of racism, its always with more racism. People justify/fight racism with racism, god i love how human beings work.
On May 03 2009 13:40 DV8 wrote: Every Time I hear about punishment to this extremity I am further saddened by how pussified our kids are becoming. They should let them duke it out and toughen up.
100% agreed.
When I get hit it's really hard to not hit back. Just some kind of human nature. Sure it's wrong ect. But one really cant help it.
Cause it's right. I mean seriously, I'm not one to get into fights, but if someone else is going to start it then you have every damn right to do whatever the hell you please to defend yourself.
On May 03 2009 21:54 ktp wrote: Everytime theres talk of racism, its always with more racism. People justify/fight racism with racism, god i love how human beings work.
On May 03 2009 22:04 FrozenArbiter wrote: Cause it's right. I mean seriously, I'm not one to get into fights, but if someone else is going to start it then you have every damn right to do whatever the hell you please to defend yourself.
On May 03 2009 22:04 FrozenArbiter wrote: Cause it's right. I mean seriously, I'm not one to get into fights, but if someone else is going to start it then you have every damn right to do whatever the hell you please to defend yourself.
Morally perhaps, legally no. It's shit, but that's just how it is.
I don't even see the point of questioning why he is Korean or not. The racist obviously is poorly educated, didn't bother to find out where he was from and frankly F%&^ing Chinese is all he knows.
On May 03 2009 14:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: WTF is with the name of the OP...?
This is the incident happened in Hwasin's bnet attack, he did some nuke rush against some noob then the noob typed sex sex pussy hair in korean and pulled the plug. It was all live on TV.
On May 03 2009 13:17 aRod wrote: Both can be charged with assault, and both are guilty. Both can be charged with battery and both are guilty. I think if we took away the broken nose, we wouldn't have an issue here.
The school obviously thinks breaking a kids nose is worse than punching a kid in the face. Schools can't expell every lad who gets into a fight, but it is reasonable to expell a student who breaks another students nose. Frankly I think the little white bastard deserved it, but the young Korean lad is far from innocent and mets the requirements to have his punishment. The rallying just shows how fucking retarded people are.
Huh? I think you underestimate just how easy it is to break someones nose when you give them a good punch to the face.
I'm pretty sure the white kid hit hard enough to cause a broken nose but just didn't hit the kids nose the right way... You should be looking for intent here. If there was intent to cause harm, bam assault charge (assuming they went through with it... which they did)
Also if someone attacks you then you have EVERY right to fight back. You can pretty much be assured you aren't going to get beat to death in a school setting but you never really know. To just stay there and say "well call the police" is only said by people that haven't been jumped before.
I completely agree intent matters, but you speak as if the results of the violence doesn't matter. The results are what people see and have to deal with. Practically, we as a society dole out punishments based on results and intent. Attempted murder gets a lesser sentence than murder and punching a kid in the face gets a lesser sentence than breaking a kids nose. This is perfectly reasonable. The white lad is getting the standard sentence for punching, and the korean is getting the standard sentence for breaking a kids nose.
The teasing and bullying also has results. I think there should be a little extra in there for mocking and making fun of the korean lad. Nevertheless, we don't expell every student who makes fun of another student, we'd lose every boy in middle school otherwise.
And for those of you who think otherwise, a little clarification about fighting back. You're allowed to fight back ONLY IF there is no other option. This means, you couldn't get out of the situation in some other way. I don't know the particulars of this fight, but I doubt the Korean boy was in a situation where he could not have ran to an administrator and reported the issue.
The white kid is a little bastard and I'm glad his nose is broken, but it shouldn't be broken.
I understand that our society, and probably most societies, hand out greater sentences to murder than attempted murder, but I don't think it is perfectly reasonable, as you claim. If you view punishments for crimes as a form of vengeance and payback for wrongs committed, then yes, it makes sense that murder gets a greater punishment than attempted murder. But if you view punishments for crimes in a more civilized and rational way, for example, used to take dangerous individuals out of society, possibly correct their behavior, etc., it is extremely unreasonable to make a distinction between murder and attempted murder.
Take, for example, a case where a man tries to murder another man with a gun and has good aim, versus another who does the exact same thing for the exact same reasons and has bad aim. They're both dangerous, they're both unstable and capable of murder, and yet you believe one should get a much greater penalty because he was successful in murdering someone. Under what rationale do you give this greater penalty?
On May 03 2009 13:32 catbert1 wrote: "It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea: i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time
You think ALL of America is "accepting" as you put it? Maybe the bigger cities, maybe the metropolitan areas. You go out west more, south more and you really think that racism doesn't exist there? As a fuckin' grad student in Indiana I got told several times "Oh, you speak good English!" (to which I reply, No, I speak English WELL), or have people say things like "oh but your people blah blah blah".
We have a black president after HOW many years of black citizens fighting for their freedom?
At the same time, do you feel that teh white people in Korea represent all white people? The ones here are GIs who like to pick fights and English teachers who think that they are the shit. Arrogant and cocky and degrading, as if they are gracing us with their presence.
No matter which country I go to, it's pretty apparent that there is a level of racism. The looks I get for walking around with my white boyfriend range from disgust to jealousy - all depending on the individual who is looking. So don't give me the whole "America is so wonderful" because although it might be nice for immigrants on a legal level, there's a reason why most asians stick with their own (Chinatowns, Korea towns) - and it's not mainly because of the language.
Metropolitan areas are not any less racist; the people there just tend to know better how to keep it to themselves.
And it's definitely not like white people are the only or "the most" racist people either (as I've picked up heavy undertones of in this thread). I am not saying that white people are less racist, but that racism is an individual choice rather than an ethnic one. I am a white person and I've been on the receiving end of racism many times. My brother was once on the receiving end of a racial hate crime from a black person and very narrowly escaped getting beaten brutally when a teacher arrived on the scene. Asian people aren't exactly immune to being racist either. The biggest difference is the ways in which different peoples discriminate. Blacks and whites are more likely to be confrontational; asians tend to get socially exclusive. I'm generalizing of course, but that seems to be the way things go.
Part of the problem, I think, is that as a society we are hung up on race to begin with. Even the same people who claim to be racially friendly go out of there way to be politically correct rather than treating people how they deserve to be treated as individuals. Take for the incident with the Duke lacrosse team. Currently they are suing the school because the school administrators went out of their way to sabotage the case the students had even though it turned out the students were innocent ("[The Dean of Students abused her position] by advising the plaintiff lacrosse players not to tell their parents of the rape allegations made against them and of the legal jeopardy facing them, and advising them not to seek and obtain legal representation."). Why did the administration betray the students? Because they wanted to be perceived as racially friendly.
For the record, Obama might not be the best example to bring up in this thread either. Exit polls indicated that race helped him more than it hurt him and that age hurt McCain. Should we be talking about discrimination by age instead? Or if we want to keep things racial, why are there so few asian and hispanic political leaders in this country?
But then again, as I was trying to point out earlier, thinking like that is also dangerous -- the individual running for office is all that should be considered, and factors such as age, race, physical appearance, etc, should be discarded. If we wanted to be truly fair, we probably shouldn't even allow anyone to see who they are voting for. But Americans would probably be unhappy if they elected a 400 pound fat guy with greasy hair and a pock-marked face.
On May 03 2009 13:32 catbert1 wrote: "It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea: i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time
You think ALL of America is "accepting" as you put it? Maybe the bigger cities, maybe the metropolitan areas. You go out west more, south more and you really think that racism doesn't exist there? As a fuckin' grad student in Indiana I got told several times "Oh, you speak good English!" (to which I reply, No, I speak English WELL), or have people say things like "oh but your people blah blah blah".
We have a black president after HOW many years of black citizens fighting for their freedom?
At the same time, do you feel that teh white people in Korea represent all white people? The ones here are GIs who like to pick fights and English teachers who think that they are the shit. Arrogant and cocky and degrading, as if they are gracing us with their presence.
No matter which country I go to, it's pretty apparent that there is a level of racism. The looks I get for walking around with my white boyfriend range from disgust to jealousy - all depending on the individual who is looking. So don't give me the whole "America is so wonderful" because although it might be nice for immigrants on a legal level, there's a reason why most asians stick with their own (Chinatowns, Korea towns) - and it's not mainly because of the language.
Metropolitan areas are not any less racist; the people there just tend to know better how to keep it to themselves.
And it's definitely not like white people are the only or "the most" racist people either (as I've picked up heavy undertones of in this thread). I am not saying that white people are less racist, but that racism is an individual choice rather than an ethnic one. I am a white person and I've been on the receiving end of racism many times. My brother was once on the receiving end of a racial hate crime from a black person and very narrowly escaped getting beaten brutally when a teacher arrived on the scene. Asian people aren't exactly immune to being racist either. The biggest difference is the ways in which different peoples discriminate. Blacks and whites are more likely to be confrontational; asians tend to get socially exclusive. I'm generalizing of course, but that seems to be the way things go.
Part of the problem, I think, is that as a society we are hung up on race to begin with. Even the same people who claim to be racially friendly go out of there way to be politically correct rather than treating people how they deserve to be treated as individuals. Take for the incident with the Duke lacrosse team. Currently they are suing the school because the school administrators went out of their way to sabotage the case the students had even though it turned out the students were innocent ("[The Dean of Students abused her position] by advising the plaintiff lacrosse players not to tell their parents of the rape allegations made against them and of the legal jeopardy facing them, and advising them not to seek and obtain legal representation."). Why did the administration betray the students? Because they wanted to be perceived as racially friendly.
For the record, Obama might not be the best example to bring up in this thread either. Exit polls indicated that race helped him more than it hurt him and that age hurt McCain. Should we be talking about discrimination by age instead? Or if we want to keep things racial, why are there so few asian and hispanic political leaders in this country?
But then again, as I was trying to point out earlier, thinking like that is also dangerous -- the individual running for office is all that should be considered, and factors such as age, race, physical appearance, etc, should be discarded. If we wanted to be truly fair, we probably shouldn't even allow anyone to see who they are voting for. But Americans would probably be unhappy if they elected a 400 pound fat guy with greasy hair and a pock-marked face.
Mortality you got a good point, the reason whites and blacks are more confrontational is because different culture values compared to asians. This is just how most asians are shy and less social compared to others. In asian culture, it emphasizes obedience, respect, rely on parents, not get in trouble. In western society, it is more independence, outgoing, freedom of speech.
Pfft, racism is everywhere. Even in Singapore, except we have cyborgs watching our every move so that we won't run amok and start swearing at every differently-colored-skin people or people with funny accent.
On May 03 2009 13:32 catbert1 wrote: "It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea: i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time
America was built on immigration. There isn't a single person living in America that hasn't come from somewhere else within the last 400 or so years, besides the Native Americans. American growth is fueled mostly by immigration. If you go to a country where the population is virtually homogeneous, you are pretty much asking to be discriminated against.
The OP's article missed a few facts. The town in question is a place called Keswick, small farming, blue collar community. Apparently the town is mostly white but there's a small community of Koreans in the area. There's already been previous acts of racism in the area, mostly something called "nipper tipping", where local kids go around the docks and push Korean people in the water while they're fishing. Awhile ago some kids pushed a few fishermen in the water and then got their asses kicked. While the Koreans were on their way home the bloodied racists chased them down in their car and knocked em off the road, killing one and paralyzing two of them. The driver is about a month away from going to prison 5 years.
If anyone looks up the "model minority" motif and ethnic antagonism, they'd realize citing Obama as a sign of civil rights progress is one of the biggest fallacies they can make. Also catbert, for someone claiming the equality of American culture, you have a rather condescending tone towards Koreans.
On May 03 2009 15:37 food wrote: LOL lilsusie, you are going overboard i dont know many black politicians worthy of becoming a president, it has nothing to do with them fighting for their freedom. If anything, the fact that this country got a black president should speak in the favor of the guy you arguing with, but you trying to flip it over before someone uses it in the argument. racism is absolutely common, nothing new here. In US it probably generates worse scenarios overall, but imo in asian countries people are less accepting and more traditional in general also funny quote about your white boyfriend, im sure u get WAY more "looks" in korea then the hateful US
my point is that both countries have their flaws in being racist. as for the black politician statement, it was to show that it's just NOW something people accept. he's a smart cookie, and thus why people voted him into office unlike the white president before him who wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
obama mirrors bush so far in his actions chief. nice fail liberal bias
On May 03 2009 15:37 food wrote: LOL lilsusie, you are going overboard i dont know many black politicians worthy of becoming a president, it has nothing to do with them fighting for their freedom. If anything, the fact that this country got a black president should speak in the favor of the guy you arguing with, but you trying to flip it over before someone uses it in the argument. racism is absolutely common, nothing new here. In US it probably generates worse scenarios overall, but imo in asian countries people are less accepting and more traditional in general also funny quote about your white boyfriend, im sure u get WAY more "looks" in korea then the hateful US
my point is that both countries have their flaws in being racist. as for the black politician statement, it was to show that it's just NOW something people accept. he's a smart cookie, and thus why people voted him into office unlike the white president before him who wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
obama mirrors bush so far in his actions chief. nice fail liberal bias
you're gonna tell me that people voted for him because he's just like bush? ps. i didnt vote.
On May 03 2009 15:37 food wrote: LOL lilsusie, you are going overboard i dont know many black politicians worthy of becoming a president, it has nothing to do with them fighting for their freedom. If anything, the fact that this country got a black president should speak in the favor of the guy you arguing with, but you trying to flip it over before someone uses it in the argument. racism is absolutely common, nothing new here. In US it probably generates worse scenarios overall, but imo in asian countries people are less accepting and more traditional in general also funny quote about your white boyfriend, im sure u get WAY more "looks" in korea then the hateful US
my point is that both countries have their flaws in being racist. as for the black politician statement, it was to show that it's just NOW something people accept. he's a smart cookie, and thus why people voted him into office unlike the white president before him who wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
obama mirrors bush so far in his actions chief. nice fail liberal bias
Allow me to be the first of many people, from both sides of the aisle, to call you an idiot
On May 03 2009 22:04 FrozenArbiter wrote: Cause it's right. I mean seriously, I'm not one to get into fights, but if someone else is going to start it then you have every damn right to do whatever the hell you please to defend yourself.
including pull out a gun and shoot them?
Íf it's warranted, sure. School fight I'd say, no, not really :D
Anyway I knew someone would bring something like that up with the way I worded it -.-
On May 04 2009 01:50 lilsusie wrote:DOWN WITH AMERICA!!!! (ps. Most Koreans are very happy that Obama is in the office now. Oh the sheep that we are...)
you means it's only because of Bush? sure? it ain't that simple.. (anywhere) http://www.usinkorea.org/
On May 04 2009 03:28 eMbrace wrote: i cannot even fathom being a racist, let alone punching someone in the face because i dont like their race.
no seriously though, you really have to hate asian people to just walk up to them and punch em in the mouth.
racism should be identified as a disorder.
lol funny how the white kid cousin said next day to the korean guy "you f#%^ing chinese, that's my cousin you punched." He is smart enough to not to punch the korean guy knowing he will just end up like his cousin, but a teacher overheard this racist comment and suspended him.
On May 03 2009 15:37 food wrote: LOL lilsusie, you are going overboard i dont know many black politicians worthy of becoming a president, it has nothing to do with them fighting for their freedom. If anything, the fact that this country got a black president should speak in the favor of the guy you arguing with, but you trying to flip it over before someone uses it in the argument. racism is absolutely common, nothing new here. In US it probably generates worse scenarios overall, but imo in asian countries people are less accepting and more traditional in general also funny quote about your white boyfriend, im sure u get WAY more "looks" in korea then the hateful US
my point is that both countries have their flaws in being racist. as for the black politician statement, it was to show that it's just NOW something people accept. he's a smart cookie, and thus why people voted him into office unlike the white president before him who wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
obama mirrors bush so far in his actions chief. nice fail liberal bias
you're gonna tell me that people voted for him because he's just like bush? ps. i didnt vote.
hate to break it to you but people don't elect presidents, so people voting for him is a dead argument. maybe the correct question is how many people voted for him because hes a democrat? how many people voted for him just because hes black? i dont have any faith in the majority of people's ability to choose a correct politician.
this particular one has alienated a group of americans, reversed the majority of bushie boy's policies which is whats expected of democrats regardless whether or not its correct. thats my point, thats my problem with obama so far, i only put faith in his ability to smooth diplomatic relations
im an independent party member (e) meaning i stick to the middle gray area and decide which guy sucks less in a demo v repub vote-off, because as i was signing up to vote i think i had to choose a party affliation, that was a long time ago for me
On May 03 2009 15:37 food wrote: LOL lilsusie, you are going overboard i dont know many black politicians worthy of becoming a president, it has nothing to do with them fighting for their freedom. If anything, the fact that this country got a black president should speak in the favor of the guy you arguing with, but you trying to flip it over before someone uses it in the argument. racism is absolutely common, nothing new here. In US it probably generates worse scenarios overall, but imo in asian countries people are less accepting and more traditional in general also funny quote about your white boyfriend, im sure u get WAY more "looks" in korea then the hateful US
my point is that both countries have their flaws in being racist. as for the black politician statement, it was to show that it's just NOW something people accept. he's a smart cookie, and thus why people voted him into office unlike the white president before him who wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
obama mirrors bush so far in his actions chief. nice fail liberal bias
you're gonna tell me that people voted for him because he's just like bush? ps. i didnt vote.
hate to break it to you but people don't elect presidents, so people voting for him is a dead argument. maybe the correct question is how many people voted for him because hes a democrat? how many people voted for him just because hes black? i dont have any faith in the majority of people's ability to choose a correct politician.
this particular one has alienated a group of americans, reversed the majority of bushie boy's policies which is whats expected of democrats regardless whether or not its correct. thats my point, thats my problem with obama so far, i only put faith in his ability to smooth diplomatic relations
im an independent party member
what do you mean "people don't elect presidents"? I always thought they did lol. Unless your talking about the electoral college, but then thats just geting technical about the whole thing.
On May 03 2009 15:37 food wrote: LOL lilsusie, you are going overboard i dont know many black politicians worthy of becoming a president, it has nothing to do with them fighting for their freedom. If anything, the fact that this country got a black president should speak in the favor of the guy you arguing with, but you trying to flip it over before someone uses it in the argument. racism is absolutely common, nothing new here. In US it probably generates worse scenarios overall, but imo in asian countries people are less accepting and more traditional in general also funny quote about your white boyfriend, im sure u get WAY more "looks" in korea then the hateful US
my point is that both countries have their flaws in being racist. as for the black politician statement, it was to show that it's just NOW something people accept. he's a smart cookie, and thus why people voted him into office unlike the white president before him who wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
my retaliation was to the kid who was telling me that the US was the nicest place for immigrants; stating "i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea"
bottom line. both countries have their racist/prejudice/double standardness.
obama mirrors bush so far in his actions chief. nice fail liberal bias
you're gonna tell me that people voted for him because he's just like bush? ps. i didnt vote.
hate to break it to you but people don't elect presidents, so people voting for him is a dead argument. maybe the correct question is how many people voted for him because hes a democrat? how many people voted for him just because hes black? i dont have any faith in the majority of people's ability to choose a correct politician.
this particular one has alienated a group of americans, reversed the majority of bushie boy's policies which is whats expected of democrats regardless whether or not its correct. thats my point, thats my problem with obama so far, i only put faith in his ability to smooth diplomatic relations
im an independent party member
what do you mean "people don't elect presidents"? I always thought they did lol. Unless your talking about the electoral college, but then thats just geting technical about the whole thing.
He says "people don't elect presidents" meaning a large amount of people that votes don't vote for the correct reasons. They don't follow politics often and do not know the issues.
On May 03 2009 22:04 FrozenArbiter wrote: Cause it's right. I mean seriously, I'm not one to get into fights, but if someone else is going to start it then you have every damn right to do whatever the hell you please to defend yourself.
On May 04 2009 00:51 ZeaL. wrote: The OP's article missed a few facts. The town in question is a place called Keswick, small farming, blue collar community. Apparently the town is mostly white but there's a small community of Koreans in the area. There's already been previous acts of racism in the area, mostly something called "nipper tipping", where local kids go around the docks and push Korean people in the water while they're fishing. Awhile ago some kids pushed a few fishermen in the water and then got their asses kicked. While the Koreans were on their way home the bloodied racists chased them down in their car and knocked em off the road, killing one and paralyzing two of them. The driver is about a month away from going to prison 5 years.
I want to rage against white people so badly right now. Damn it why do I have to be half white fuck.
This happened recently and caught my attention while I was watching TV. Initially it was just some brief news caption then I dug a little deeper on the internet and found the whole story.
A Korean boy was called a F@#$ing Chinese in gym class by a white classmate and the white classmate punched him in the mouth and caused bleeding then the Korean kid fought back broke his nose then he was the only one charged with assault and expulsion while the white kid got suspension. Later on, some 400+ kids in the school whom are majority white protested for injustice and unfair treatment which made the police reopen the case and assigned a hate crime unit to it.
To me I can see where the cops are coming from, if you get assaulted, you shouldn't fight back, instead call cops and let them handle it. But from fairness point of view the white kid who started this and he also assaulted and is the aggrevator in this case, why isn't he charged and facing expulsion?
It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE.
Just something to add, the Korean kid was also voted the 'World's Best Person' on MSNBC's Countdown With Keith Olbermann on Thursday night.
I haven't read through the thread and I'm sure someone said something about this, but if you fucking get punched in the face, you punch back. You don't stand there playing with your phone trying to dial 911 as he's curbstomping you.
On May 04 2009 00:51 ZeaL. wrote: The OP's article missed a few facts. The town in question is a place called Keswick, small farming, blue collar community. Apparently the town is mostly white but there's a small community of Koreans in the area. There's already been previous acts of racism in the area, mostly something called "nipper tipping", where local kids go around the docks and push Korean people in the water while they're fishing. Awhile ago some kids pushed a few fishermen in the water and then got their asses kicked. While the Koreans were on their way home the bloodied racists chased them down in their car and knocked em off the road, killing one and paralyzing two of them. The driver is about a month away from going to prison 5 years.
I want to rage against white people so badly right now. Damn it why do I have to be half white fuck.
Rage against retards & racists, they exist in all flavors & colors. & maybe yourself, since that sounds pretty racist too.
To me I can see where the cops are coming from, if you get assaulted, you shouldn't fight back, instead call cops and let them handle it.
Disagree. I believe legally you are able to fight back with no reprecussion if you did not initiate it. This isn't to say if the white kid threw the punch and then the korean kid was knocked on the ground and the white kid walked away because then it's over. Rather, if the korean kid struck back immediately, from what I'm aware (in the states at least) it's considered self-defense.
Just as if you were stabbed by someone and they are walking away, yuo can't shoot them in the back anymore, but if they are still a threat, you can. I bet you could lie in a lot of those situations though and say they were still being the aggressor.
On May 04 2009 00:51 ZeaL. wrote: The OP's article missed a few facts. The town in question is a place called Keswick, small farming, blue collar community. Apparently the town is mostly white but there's a small community of Koreans in the area. There's already been previous acts of racism in the area, mostly something called "nipper tipping", where local kids go around the docks and push Korean people in the water while they're fishing. Awhile ago some kids pushed a few fishermen in the water and then got their asses kicked. While the Koreans were on their way home the bloodied racists chased them down in their car and knocked em off the road, killing one and paralyzing two of them. The driver is about a month away from going to prison 5 years.
I want to rage against white people so badly right now. Damn it why do I have to be half white fuck.
To me I can see where the cops are coming from, if you get assaulted, you shouldn't fight back, instead call cops and let them handle it.
Disagree. I believe legally you are able to fight back with no reprecussion if you did not initiate it. This isn't to say if the white kid threw the punch and then the korean kid was knocked on the ground and the white kid walked away because then it's over. Rather, if the korean kid struck back immediately, from what I'm aware (in the states at least) it's considered self-defense.
Just as if you were stabbed by someone and they are walking away, yuo can't shoot them in the back anymore, but if they are still a threat, you can. I bet you could lie in a lot of those situations though and say they were still being the aggressor.
first of all i am not white and i sympathize for the korean kid since i have gone through similar situations. but from a rational point of view with no biase, you can tell why police laid charge only against him although i do disagree with only charging him, at least charge the aggrevator for assault and hate crime too.
There was no enough evidence to suggest that the korean kid life was in danger in order to justify the right of self defense. like i have said it was simply a taunt and punch, the white kid never proceeded by continuously punching after the first punch nor did he use other objects to hurt the korean kid. the korean kid just did what a normal person would do, reacted by punching the white kid. in the eyes of the law this is assault ausing bodily harm, battery or whatever, however both should be charge but more emphasis on the white kid.
On May 03 2009 13:32 catbert1 wrote: "It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea: i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time
I agree that Korea is a racist country like any other country but you underemphasize the degree of racism that exists in America/ Canada. The reason WHY american businesses would get sued if they did that is because America is built on foundations that claim that its a free country. They have internal laws that they've created against themselves to ensure that. You don't see Korea trying to tell the world that its a free country with equal opportunities for everyone. And it doesn't so its perfectly fine that racism exists there. You have GOT to be kidding me when you say America is the nicest place for immigrants. Talk to a Mexican immigrant worker who get faced with discrimination and slave-like labor job. The only reason they put up with this shit is because the little scrap of money they make here is actually better then the amount they would make back at home
Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town.
On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote: Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town.
i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all.
not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed...
if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man.
On May 03 2009 13:32 catbert1 wrote: "It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea: i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time
I agree that Korea is a racist country like any other country but you underemphasize the degree of racism that exists in America/ Canada. The reason WHY american businesses would get sued if they did that is because America is built on foundations that claim that its a free country. They have internal laws that they've created against themselves to ensure that. You don't see Korea trying to tell the world that its a free country with equal opportunities for everyone. And it doesn't so its perfectly fine that racism exists there. You have GOT to be kidding me when you say America is the nicest place for immigrants. Talk to a Mexican immigrant worker who get faced with discrimination and slave-like labor job. The only reason they put up with this shit is because the little scrap of money they make here is actually better then the amount they would make back at home
So moving to America was an improvement...I dont think they were expecting a free ride. Most immigrants I know are the hardest working people out there. They know that they come from a crappy situation but with lots of work they can change that, and they do. They took the shot, started from the bottom and worked their way up. Thats essentially how america works. One group of immigrants comes in, at first no one likes them because they "took R Jurbs!" but once they establish themselves as a community they steadily work there way up. Is it perfect? No not by any means but America is one of the few places to offer immigrants a chance like that.
On May 03 2009 13:32 catbert1 wrote: "It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea: i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time
i really agree with this. I visited Japan for 2 weeks a couple years ago. Most racist and xenophobic culture i've ever seen in my life. And the sad part is the kids are unquestioningly only because thats how their parents are.
On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote: Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town.
i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all.
not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed...
if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man.
In the end it boils down to what you consider a man and a kid. Reading from your statement, I presume your standard of maturity is based on legal standards. Fair enough. From my side, my belief in maturity is based on one's sense of respect for onself and others. This means if someone acts like a racist dude and attacks me, out of respect for myself I will stand my ground. That doesn't mean I'll place the other guy in a vegetative state, but I will let him know that I will not be messed with. And you know what, I accept the consequences of my actions which I feel is the real basis for maturity. Btw, I'm blackbelt hiya!
On May 04 2009 06:26 IzzyCraft wrote: Lol who's the racist in the thread calling one guy korean and the other guy just "white".
You do realize that "White" is the accepted term of ethnicity just like "Korean". Check any standardized test and you'll see.
But why is that acceptable to call someone white when they are French or German. But no no no i am KOREAN Chinese japaneese not just Asian.
Uh I really don't care about being called Asian. And all my White friends don't care about being called "White." I think White is derived for mainly American Whites because the term "American" is too broad to place only on the White population of America. So again, I have no idea what your beef is. I believe for Europeans we generally state based on their nationality like "French" or "German".
It seems from the article that the bully who punched him cause and immediate reprisal, That is how self defense is defined. And it is only to the extent that the aggressor is no longer a threat and with appropriate force. It Also says the korean kid only threw a single punch to break the kids nose. That is in no way overstretching his right to self defense.
It seems that the kid was wrongly charged in my opinion and to state that the aggressor was being hospitalized was a bit of an overstatement. He probably got an xray and got sent home.
On May 04 2009 06:26 IzzyCraft wrote: Lol who's the racist in the thread calling one guy korean and the other guy just "white".
You do realize that "White" is the accepted term of ethnicity just like "Korean". Check any standardized test and you'll see.
But why is that acceptable to call someone white when they are French or German. But no no no i am KOREAN Chinese japaneese not just Asian.
Well first of all it's not usually racist to describe someone as Asian instead of their nationality..( I guess it can be, depending on how you say it) But if you tried to do that for white people it would be way too confusing, since most of us in America would be like, 1/8 Irish 1/8 Polish 1/16 German 1/16 French etc... You don't really see that as much with Asian countries. They're still pretty racially homogenous.
When I first read this article, I thought it was the sequel to some wild crazy YouTube video.
On topic though, the guy DID provoke the kid by attacking him/insulting him. That is grounds for a self-defense. However, if the Korean kid just let the guy hit him without retaliating, he could have simply filed assault charges/battery and be done with it. Much more easier imo. It also appears that if he took that course of action, he would get support, after all, many students did testify about how the aggressor acted. However, slapping the Korean kid with an expulsion whilst giving the white kid a suspension for the same action (punching one another) is unfair. If both students were slapped with an expulsion or if both students got a suspension it'd be fine (though the former is may seem unfair due to the fact that the Korean got provoked and was not the instigator.). But, rather than being consistent with their punishments, the administration decided to give one student a harsher penalty for the same action as the other kid, especially if the student that got provoked was the one with the harsher punishment. It makes no sense and I see no basis in it.
I live in a small community in West Canada called FraserHeights. Here, the population is literally 50% koreans, and there is a pc bang here. I enjoy playing koreans every once in a while here, and I don't think there is much racism going on.
I believe they should both be punished, but the white kid should get a slightly severer punishment. The korean guy acted in self defence, and didn't instigate or provoke anything. However, the korean guy shouldn't of punched back, but instead of should of just called a teacher or something[ Although i understand why he would of punched the white kid], and the white kid shouldn't of taunted him/hit him in the first place. The justice system fails if the korean guy gets a harsher punishment then the white guy, imo.
On May 04 2009 08:39 Meretricious wrote: I believe they should both be punished, but the white kid should get a slightly severer punishment. The korean guy acted in self defence, and didn't instigate or provoke anything. However, the korean guy shouldn't of punched back, but instead of should of just called a teacher or something[ Although i understand why he would of punched the white kid], and the white kid shouldn't of taunted him/hit him in the first place. The justice system fails if the korean guy gets a harsher punishment then the white guy, imo.
Why shouldn't he have punched back? What if the white kid decided to take another swing? No the korean kid is in the clear here. You can't just try to run from a fight. That's how you get hit in the back of the head.
Does anyone else find it funny how the article delves deeply into the asian student's academics? I mean why don't they talk about the academics of the white kid?
On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote: Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town.
i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all.
not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed...
if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man.
In the end it boils down to what you consider a man and a kid. Reading from your statement, I presume your standard of maturity is based on legal standards. Fair enough. From my side, my belief in maturity is based on one's sense of respect for onself and others. This means if someone acts like a racist dude and attacks me, out of respect for myself I will stand my ground. That doesn't mean I'll place the other guy in a vegetative state, but I will let him know that I will not be messed with. And you know what, I accept the consequences of my actions which I feel is the real basis for maturity. Btw, I'm blackbelt hiya!
the law doesn't care if you stand up for yourself or not, if you severely injury the other guy, you will end up getting the most charges. sometimes you can't control the consequence of your actions, just like the korean kid, he intentionally used his left hand(weakest hand) and aimed for the jaw and look what happened -punch landed much higher and broke his nose instead. there is always great uncertainty in the outcome in any fight, you could knock the guy out in 1 hit, then he falls down and head bangs on the floor and get a concussion lose whatever ability, then you will pay for all the consequence no matter how you justify your actions in response to his actions. you have to know how the law system works, you let your emotion get the better side of you then it is over for good.
if you don't think before you act, you suffer the consequence, there is chinese saying think three times before you act and I am sure you parents always tell you to be cautious, there is a reason behind that. your maturity is not real maturity, just think about why are there so many laws based on age? drinking law, driving law, insurance policy etc... because they know once most people get to that stage, they act and behave differently than what a 15yr old hot head kid would do. i'm not here to force you to act in any other way than you normally would, i can't change that, i am just here to offer advices; it is always good to learn from examples from others and from people before you so you don't make the same mistake again and regret for life.
On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote: Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town.
i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all.
not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed...
if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man.
In the end it boils down to what you consider a man and a kid. Reading from your statement, I presume your standard of maturity is based on legal standards. Fair enough. From my side, my belief in maturity is based on one's sense of respect for onself and others. This means if someone acts like a racist dude and attacks me, out of respect for myself I will stand my ground. That doesn't mean I'll place the other guy in a vegetative state, but I will let him know that I will not be messed with. And you know what, I accept the consequences of my actions which I feel is the real basis for maturity. Btw, I'm blackbelt hiya!
the law doesn't care if you stand up for yourself or not, if you severely injury the other guy, you will end up getting the most charges. sometimes you can't control the consequence of your actions, just like the korean kid, he intentionally used his left hand(weakest hand) and aimed for the jaw and look what happened -punch landed much higher and broke his nose instead. there is always great uncertainty in the outcome in any fight, you could knock the guy out in 1 hit, then he falls down and head bangs on the floor and get a concussion lose whatever ability, then you will pay for all the consequence no matter how you justify your actions in response to his actions. you have to know how the law system works, you let your emotion get the better side of you then it is over for good.
if you don't think before you act, you suffer the consequence, there is chinese saying think three times before you act and I am sure you parents always tell you to be cautious, there is a reason behind that. your maturity is not real maturity, just think about why are there so many laws based on age? drinking law, driving law, insurance policy etc... because they know once most people get to that stage, they act and behave differently than what a 15yr old hot head kid would do. i'm not here to force you to act in any other way than you normally would, i can't change that, i am just here to offer advices; it is always good to learn from examples from others and from people before you so you don't make the same mistake again and regret for life.
good thing california law states that if you honestly feel you are in immediate danger and react reasonably to it, then it is considered self defense.
On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote: Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town.
i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all.
not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed...
if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man.
In the end it boils down to what you consider a man and a kid. Reading from your statement, I presume your standard of maturity is based on legal standards. Fair enough. From my side, my belief in maturity is based on one's sense of respect for onself and others. This means if someone acts like a racist dude and attacks me, out of respect for myself I will stand my ground. That doesn't mean I'll place the other guy in a vegetative state, but I will let him know that I will not be messed with. And you know what, I accept the consequences of my actions which I feel is the real basis for maturity. Btw, I'm blackbelt hiya!
the law doesn't care if you stand up for yourself or not, if you severely injury the other guy, you will end up getting the most charges. sometimes you can't control the consequence of your actions, just like the korean kid, he intentionally used his left hand(weakest hand) and aimed for the jaw and look what happened -punch landed much higher and broke his nose instead. there is always great uncertainty in the outcome in any fight, you could knock the guy out in 1 hit, then he falls down and head bangs on the floor and get a concussion lose whatever ability, then you will pay for all the consequence no matter how you justify your actions in response to his actions. you have to know how the law system works, you let your emotion get the better side of you then it is over for good.
if you don't think before you act, you suffer the consequence, there is chinese saying think three times before you act and I am sure you parents always tell you to be cautious, there is a reason behind that. your maturity is not real maturity, just think about why are there so many laws based on age? drinking law, driving law, insurance policy etc... because they know once most people get to that stage, they act and behave differently than what a 15yr old hot head kid would do. i'm not here to force you to act in any other way than you normally would, i can't change that, i am just here to offer advices; it is always good to learn from examples from others and from people before you so you don't make the same mistake again and regret for life.
Well, would most mature people have a username like "sexsexpussyhair"?
On May 03 2009 13:32 catbert1 wrote: "It bothers me alot when someone moves to another country, working hard and doing nothing but living life and get beaten up, yet wind up as the guilty. WHERE IS THE FUCKING JUSTICE."
this is pretty lol
are you aware that america/canada are the absolute nicest countries in the world for immigrants? if you are white and living in an asian country the racism is absolutely overwhelming, you can not expect in any way to live any kind of normal life, and everything is your fault i can't believe someone like susie who has lived in korea and america can come here and spout nonsense about america being in any way a worse place for minorities to live in than korea
just random shit i have seen in korea: i was coming back to korea and at the airport they had about ~70 vietnamese people that were obviously being imported as slave labor to work in the factories up north near the dmz... the viets were being screamed at and hit by customs agents
koreans backed by the police import south east asian girls on the premise of being dancers to work in brothels for sleezy salaryman
sometimes i'll try to go to some places and they'll tell me "korean only", so ill be like what why, and they'll say oh one time a white guy came here and had a fight or something retarded
lol
if american businesses did that, they'd get sued if america started importing slave labor, the world would go fucking nuts even half koreans trying to go to school in korea end up committing suicide for all the abuse they get from insanely racist LITTLE KIDS taught by their parents to hate everything not korean
god i could go on but its pointless if you have lived this long and not realized such a simple truth. we have a black president ffs, i've never seen so many stupid posts in such a short amount of time
America was built on immigration. There isn't a single person living in America that hasn't come from somewhere else within the last 400 or so years, besides the Native Americans. American growth is fueled mostly by immigration. If you go to a country where the population is virtually homogeneous, you are pretty much asking to be discriminated against.
On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote: Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town.
i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all.
not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed...
if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man.
In the end it boils down to what you consider a man and a kid. Reading from your statement, I presume your standard of maturity is based on legal standards. Fair enough. From my side, my belief in maturity is based on one's sense of respect for onself and others. This means if someone acts like a racist dude and attacks me, out of respect for myself I will stand my ground. That doesn't mean I'll place the other guy in a vegetative state, but I will let him know that I will not be messed with. And you know what, I accept the consequences of my actions which I feel is the real basis for maturity. Btw, I'm blackbelt hiya!
the law doesn't care if you stand up for yourself or not, if you severely injury the other guy, you will end up getting the most charges. sometimes you can't control the consequence of your actions, just like the korean kid, he intentionally used his left hand(weakest hand) and aimed for the jaw and look what happened -punch landed much higher and broke his nose instead. there is always great uncertainty in the outcome in any fight, you could knock the guy out in 1 hit, then he falls down and head bangs on the floor and get a concussion lose whatever ability, then you will pay for all the consequence no matter how you justify your actions in response to his actions. you have to know how the law system works, you let your emotion get the better side of you then it is over for good.
if you don't think before you act, you suffer the consequence, there is chinese saying think three times before you act and I am sure you parents always tell you to be cautious, there is a reason behind that. your maturity is not real maturity, just think about why are there so many laws based on age? drinking law, driving law, insurance policy etc... because they know once most people get to that stage, they act and behave differently than what a 15yr old hot head kid would do. i'm not here to force you to act in any other way than you normally would, i can't change that, i am just here to offer advices; it is always good to learn from examples from others and from people before you so you don't make the same mistake again and regret for life.
Well, would most mature people have a username like "sexsexpussyhair"?
dude is this even relevant? if you got nothing good to say in this thread other than to post some bs to increase your post count, do it else where. i use this because i thought it is funny because of its origin. why the fuck would i use some regular name like some people...
On May 04 2009 06:05 berkguyyy wrote: Anyone advocating calling the cops after an assault is either a lawyer, complete wimp, or a hypocrite (or all the above). As a rule of thumb, cops are useless unless you're a rich guy or a hot female. White guy deserved to have his ass beaten and I'm happy this is making news because now everyone will see he's what a complete wimp he is. Bet he cried like a baby after getting his precious nose broken, lol serves him right. Props to the Korean boy for standing up to retards like the dude and the entire flaming racist town.
i don't wan't to start a flame war or whatever, but as you get older you understand why reacting by fighting isn't the best choice. suppose i fight back and seriously beat up the guy and he gets into a vegetative state for the rest of his life, who will be responsible for that? not only do i get to go to jail for several decades, but also he won't get any charges and i have to pay for all the bills for taking care him for the rest of his life. or i lose an eye and stood up for myself and he goes to jail for several years, is that really worth it? so now do you see why retaliation isn't the best choice after all.
not fighting doesn't mean you can't fight, it means you can keep composure, you are mature, you are smart, and you know what is more important. would you like to give up the rest of you life for some stupid fighting shit just because you thought other people would see you as a wimp? i see so many black guys lose their life because a bad judgment call, kill somebody over $10 weed...
if you don't fight back there are many options, like i've said, if you are smart, you don't fight back, sue and have him pay all the money you want him to pay and land him in jail. this separates who is a kid and who is a man.
In the end it boils down to what you consider a man and a kid. Reading from your statement, I presume your standard of maturity is based on legal standards. Fair enough. From my side, my belief in maturity is based on one's sense of respect for onself and others. This means if someone acts like a racist dude and attacks me, out of respect for myself I will stand my ground. That doesn't mean I'll place the other guy in a vegetative state, but I will let him know that I will not be messed with. And you know what, I accept the consequences of my actions which I feel is the real basis for maturity. Btw, I'm blackbelt hiya!
the law doesn't care if you stand up for yourself or not, if you severely injury the other guy, you will end up getting the most charges. sometimes you can't control the consequence of your actions, just like the korean kid, he intentionally used his left hand(weakest hand) and aimed for the jaw and look what happened -punch landed much higher and broke his nose instead. there is always great uncertainty in the outcome in any fight, you could knock the guy out in 1 hit, then he falls down and head bangs on the floor and get a concussion lose whatever ability, then you will pay for all the consequence no matter how you justify your actions in response to his actions. you have to know how the law system works, you let your emotion get the better side of you then it is over for good.
if you don't think before you act, you suffer the consequence, there is chinese saying think three times before you act and I am sure you parents always tell you to be cautious, there is a reason behind that. your maturity is not real maturity, just think about why are there so many laws based on age? drinking law, driving law, insurance policy etc... because they know once most people get to that stage, they act and behave differently than what a 15yr old hot head kid would do. i'm not here to force you to act in any other way than you normally would, i can't change that, i am just here to offer advices; it is always good to learn from examples from others and from people before you so you don't make the same mistake again and regret for life.
good thing california law states that if you honestly feel you are in immediate danger and react reasonably to it, then it is considered self defense.
lol this is where lawyers in court argue over, what you think may not be the same in the eyes of the judge and certainty not when it comes to the jury. just when you think you are right, boom you are wrong and you get charged and sentenced the other guy gets a slap on the wrist and walks away. i support the korean kid, but if i have a biased thought and still act like a kid i would not get a rational objective view.
On May 04 2009 00:51 ZeaL. wrote: The OP's article missed a few facts. The town in question is a place called Keswick, small farming, blue collar community. Apparently the town is mostly white but there's a small community of Koreans in the area. There's already been previous acts of racism in the area, mostly something called "nipper tipping", where local kids go around the docks and push Korean people in the water while they're fishing. Awhile ago some kids pushed a few fishermen in the water and then got their asses kicked. While the Koreans were on their way home the bloodied racists chased them down in their car and knocked em off the road, killing one and paralyzing two of them. The driver is about a month away from going to prison 5 years.
I want to rage against white people so badly right now. Damn it why do I have to be half white fuck.
On May 03 2009 13:56 arsonist wrote: If you've got a black belt in some form of martial art and are involved in a fight, you can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon based solely on your expertise. Can't say I know the reasoning behind the police's charges, just thought it was an interesting (and possibly relevant) tidbit.
A friend of mine from high school actually has certification saying that his body is classified as a deadly weapon, so if he were to beat someone up, he'd be in much more trouble than the average kid in a school yard scrap.
LOL thats so stupid man. so your basically suppose to not use what you learned when your well being is physically threatened and major physical harm is about to inflicted upon you. being able to defend yourself is a big part of martial arts.
Having black belt or not, you still have a right to defend yourself...If the Korean kid did not instigate the fight he has every right to defend himself..
Hell man, like i said before, would you lay there taking the massive amount of hits somebody is throwing at you which could potentially seriously harm you, or would you fight back with all you had to survive? This being a HS fight or not does not matter, in every fight there is potential to get seriously hurt, tough shit if the white kid got his nose broke or whatever, he should of not hit him end of story....You can't expect to hit somebody and not get some consequences out of it i.e. retaliation by the other person.
just so you guys don't read too much into that one article: the Toronto Sun has its origins as a tabloid, its gotten slightly more respectable, but it's still heavily exaggerated and opinionated.
On May 04 2009 06:26 IzzyCraft wrote: Lol who's the racist in the thread calling one guy korean and the other guy just "white".
You do realize that "White" is the accepted term of ethnicity just like "Korean". Check any standardized test and you'll see.
I don't think its acceptable. I'm not a color. That would like be calling all Asians yellow.
I mean sometimes I wonder if people have been living in bubbles. Oh noes someone called me white, I am so offended! My friend, "white" is completely acceptable because this refers to the white population of those in America. "Americans" is too broad a term to refer solely to the white population and I doubt you see "caucasian" being used often. Not to mention, "caucasian" would technically be incorrect anyhow. Look at ANY respected journals, newspapers, website, etc and they'll all use "whites." Same with blacks. People of African origin identify themselves as "blacks" and this is most generally accepted. These terms are actual ethnicities my friend, not judgement of color of the skin. So please get off your high horse and come back to Earth. Btw, props to the Korean kid.
To me this sounds like a school brawl which actually went *right*... Until the State stepped in.
White kid is insulting Asian for being Asian and hits him. Asian kid fights back and wins. Over, justice has won. Both live happy ever after and the white kid probably will have an a little deformed nose...
Was one of them actually going to the police or why has this come to the attention of the public?
I don't know about you guys but it looks like a pretty positive piece of news to me. A kid/school admin is racist, news at 11. What's heartening is that most of the students are up in arms about it even though they could have just kept silent, since it's nothing to do with them anyway. You will always have retards ruining the image of a group anywhere, but people who will speak up about it because it goes against what they believe is right is rare.
On May 04 2009 06:26 IzzyCraft wrote: Lol who's the racist in the thread calling one guy korean and the other guy just "white".
You do realize that "White" is the accepted term of ethnicity just like "Korean". Check any standardized test and you'll see.
But why is that acceptable to call someone white when they are French or German. But no no no i am KOREAN Chinese japaneese not just Asian.
Well first of all it's not usually racist to describe someone as Asian instead of their nationality..( I guess it can be, depending on how you say it) But if you tried to do that for white people it would be way too confusing, since most of us in America would be like, 1/8 Irish 1/8 Polish 1/16 German 1/16 French etc... You don't really see that as much with Asian countries. They're still pretty racially homogenous.
Also, when you say white, that's just a description of an ethnic group, like when they do political polls and separate people into groups, it's always white, black, hispanic/latino, asian, etc.
Calling someone chinese usually has racial connotations behind it and also implies that all Asians are chinese, when there are many different nations in Asia (6 of the top twenty countries with the largest populations are yellow skinned). It's not the meaning of the word that matters the most in this situation, but the intention behind them that defines racism.
Calling someone white isn't offensive, but if you use a condescending tone of voice while saying white boy or something of the sort is rather offensive because you convey a sense of disdain or whatever.
It's just to show that the kid's a honor student. Clearly, they could have simply stated that he was an honor student.
Mistaking someone as Chinese isn't bad for initial encounters. If Asians take excessive offense, it is because they are too sensitive about their own racial identity. People around the world would do themselves favors to take insensitivity training and allow for ignorance in others. East Asians should especially take this to heart, because the sensitivity and offense given to being mistaken in identity is sometimes born out of mutual racism and disdain rather than wounded pride.
On May 05 2009 06:02 TanGeng wrote: It's just to show that the kid's a honor student. Clearly, they could have simply stated that he was an honor student.
Mistaking someone as Chinese isn't bad for initial encounters. If Asians take excessive offense, it is because they are too sensitive about their own racial identity. People around the world would do themselves favors to take insensitivity training and allow for ignorance in others. East Asians should especially take this to heart, because the sensitivity and offense given to being mistaken in identity is sometimes born out of mutual racism and disdain rather than wounded pride.
This is true. Check this site. See if you can tell the difference.
In ethnically homogenous South Korea, such mixed-race offspring are generally viewed with contempt. And because social status is based on being registered under the father's name, children raised by their mothers alone in effect are treated as nonpersons.
n interviews with the media here, Kim [Ward's mother] said she did not move back to South Korea because of discrimination against herself and her child. When she visited in 1998 to attend her mother's funeral, she told the Chosun Ilbo newspaper, people spat at her because she had been married to an African American.
Even in the United States, Korean immigrants excluded her son from their gatherings because of his racial background. "After that, I told Hines never to hang out with Korean kids," Kim said.
From another blog quote: This year, Jang pulled off a rare feat for mixed children in South Korea when she graduated from high school.
Korean Textbook used in the 90's
Man Canada is soooo RACIST and bigoted, damn white people! Korea and Asian countries are so friendly to foreigners and people that look different than themselves. One day Canada will catch up the civilized and open minded Korean people.
To those like lilsusie who say they understand it because the people are visually homogenous I don't think that is a good excuse. We all see what happens when a country is racist or believe they are supperior with the actions of the Japanese Empire in WW2 and before. When you think that other people are below you or inferior it allows you to dehumanize them and do very evil things. Every country that is xenophobic and racist should be ashamed. This doesn't mean they have to open up immigration etc, but at least consider people of other races with respect and common decency.
Also I expect this person in Canada to get off (hopefully) and not be expelled.
kids in elementary school drawing pics of japan burning they are obviously taught from birth to be little fucking bigoted racists, and you can tell because you have all the koreans on this board coming out with WELL IF YOU ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN KOREA ITS OK CAUSE OUR CULTURE
but if it happens to a korean in canada, OH MY GOD WE SUFFER SO MUCH
jesus christ koreans have a sicker persecution complex than republicans
welcome to the politcally correct world, where it's wrong to defend yourself, it's ok to sue somebody for making you eat your own words and the general policy is to have the youth grow up as sheep to be victimized later in life by crime, big business and the government.
Sounds fun don't it?
edit: Also I don't really see why this degenerated into ANOTHER racism discussion when the real issue should be why it's always the guy hitting back who gets punished.
All people are racist everywhere, if you really wanna speak in such generalities, but there is some truth in such a statement :/
im just gonna anwer the only 2 answers i ever hear when i ask koreans this question:
"we are a small country that has been conquered a million times and so we hold our pure blood very important because it's obviously impossible that throughout history of being invaded and occupied by every country we could have ever mixed... and also we won the korean war without help (even though 15 countries from the UN sent troops)"
"we were such a poor country and now we are rich because of our ingenuity so we are so proud" actually because of the US government who are so horrible omg we need to get them out, however, the Department of Defense has since the korean war been a top 5 employer (by total #) of Koreans in korea so that would completely fuck them over
the korean government used to tell women to prostitute to us soldiers to get dollars in the name of korea i love when koreans talk to me about the han river miracle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_on_the_Han_River i call it the miracle of Yongsan Garrison I mean you guys know the billions that go to Iraq for reconstruction blah blah, yeah that's what happened in Korea but Koreans take 100% credit for this Not to mention no foreign country would ever invest a penny into Korea without the security of US forces guaranteeing their money was safe
I just gotta ask, what are you so proud about?
Also a disclaimer, I don't dislike koreans or anything (which is why i live here), but their insane nationalism that ends up creating racism (which i fucking can't stand, no excuses) is irritating to say the least, consider how often their facts are just wrong
Again schools in Korea are basically propaganda machines. Kids are just memorizing what to think.
here you guys, first story and third story relate to this. the kid was first expelled from all York county school and is now being reinstated after the white kid (bully) apologized for his actions (racism) and dropped the charges.
lmao catbert who quotes themselves and answer their own questions?
You are seriously retarded if you think that Korea is the only country that indoctrinates their students. Everyone does it. The Chinese refuse to teach about Tiananmen square or even allow their people to search for it online, the United States tries to keep up the appearance of the "reluctant superpower" with only good motives behind all its military interventions, etc. It seems as though America believes that it always has the moral high ground "the Nazis were so bad, they killed millions of Jews" without considering the horrendous activities of our own soldiers. Obviously people are going to biased in favor of whatever group they feel a part of. There's racism everywhere and there's always oppression of the weak by the strong, no matter where the boundary lines are drawn.
I don't know where that happened, but usually white people get discriminated against more than non-Whites by the authorities and the media. This story probably made the news because it was one of those rare cases where the opposite of the norm occurred. But as your story said, the students demanded justice and the case was re-opened. Follow what happens, and I bet you the white kid who threw the first punch will get the worse punishment.
here you guys, first story and third story relate to this. the kid was first expelled from all York county school and is now being reinstated after the white kid (bully) apologized for his actions (racism) and dropped the charges.
On May 06 2009 05:07 Jaedongisoverrated wrote: I don't know where that happened, but usually white people get discriminated against more than non-Whites by the authorities and the media. This story probably made the news because it was one of those rare cases where the opposite of the norm occurred. But as your story said, the students demanded justice and the case was re-opened. Follow what happens, and I bet you the white kid who threw the first punch will get the worse punishment.
wait, are you serious? Look around man, media so discriminates minorities. They paints Asians as the model minority and Asians Americans only get to play a few select roles on TV, Movie, or anything else for that matter. They only play the delivery man, martial artist, or asexual tech guy. They never get to kiss the girl even when they are the main character and save the girl (Romeo Must Die) and they rarely ever speak fluent English and live a normal life. In Cranked 2, you have a guy using yellow face. Asian women are continually portrayed as either a dragon lady or a shy subservient girl. 21, Dragon Ball, and now Airbender are all movies where the main character, an Asian character, is played by a white dude because the movie industry thinks people won't watch the movie if it's with an Asian dude as the lead role. For christ's sake just look at what Betty Brown, a US Senator, said recently about how Asian Americans should change their names so that it's easier for poll workers to identify them easier. The media still portrays Asian Americans as "the other". And that's just Asian Americans. Look at Cops, almost every arrest is of African Americans. From watching the news it'd seem like the only people who commit crimes are either African American or Hispanic. It's no coincidence that prisons are continually filled with an overabundance of African Americans and Hispanics.
also lets be honest, jackie chan, does a lot more than just martial arts. Same with jet li, they both came from hong kong where they also had heavily martial arts roles.
Sandra Oh
also there are only: 4.4% or 13.1 million asians in America according to the last census. They almost have more hollywood actors than hispanic people that have a much larger population. For their population size they have good coverage in the media and movies.
As far as anime adoptions i dont think that is really important, Dragon Ball Z was a shithouse film just trying to make a quick buck. Also even the japanese film sailor moon was played by a girl who was half white.
At its height, daily demonstrations outside US military bases reminded those inside that South Korean xenophobia extended to those who might be called upon to risk their lives to protect the country.
Foreign language teachers also experience South Korea's brand of unfair criticism from time to time. In Gyeonggi province, the local branch of the Korean Teachers and Educational Workers Union (KTEWU) released a statement squarely blaming foreign teachers for a string of sexual-abuse cases that occurred in English-language-immersion villages. The inadequate education, the lack of morals and the irresponsibility of foreign teachers all contributed to such outcomes, claimed the KTEWU - despite the fact that the alleged sexual-abuse cases involved South Korean English-language instructors.
Mr. Hwang, an ethnic Korean from China, was recently beaten by his Korean coworker at a construction site on the Seoul subway, being told to “go back to China.” He said many of his compatriots have recently been beaten by Koreans at the workplace.
With jobs growing fewer due to the economic downturn, hostility towards foreign workers is on the rise. With the daily wage for Chinese workers in the Sallim-dong area holding at 50,000 won for the last decade, foreign laborers are often made the target of complaints.
The head of the Migrant Workers Center, however, said in a survey of business owners, 70% said they hire foreigners because they cannot hire Koreans. He said foreign laborers do the “3D” jobs avoided by Koreans and are contributing to Korean economic development by supplementing Korea’s labor force.
Lets be honest though, countries like Korea and Japan will be forced to become multiracial most likely as their birth rates are very low.
At its height, daily demonstrations outside US military bases reminded those inside that South Korean xenophobia extended to those who might be called upon to risk their lives to protect the country.
This is a joke. American bases around the world are there to serve American interests only and to promote the American Empire, not for protecting the country. The soviet union fell two decades ago, there's no reason for american bases to still be operating around the world.
At its height, daily demonstrations outside US military bases reminded those inside that South Korean xenophobia extended to those who might be called upon to risk their lives to protect the country.
This is a joke. American bases around the world are there to serve American interests only and to promote the American Empire, not for protecting the country. The soviet union fell two decades ago, there's no reason for american bases to still be operating around the world.
Kim Jong Il?
Taiwann?
Japan?
We still are in Japan because of WW2. We are still acting as guards for taiwann so China doesn't take it over. We are still in South Korea to protect them from North Korea.
Where would south korea be if we did not intervene in the korean civil war?
President Truman's quote
Communism was acting in Korea, just as Hitler, Mussolini and the Japanese had ten, fifteen, and twenty years earlier. I felt certain that if South Korea was allowed to fall communist leaders would be emboldened to override nations closer to our own shores. If the Communists were permitted to force their way into the Republic of Korea without opposition from the free world, no small nation would have the courage to resist threat and aggression by stronger communist neighbors.
World War 2 was over 60 years ago. "Protecting" Taiwan is only done because it supports American economic interests. There would be no South or North Korea if the United States and the Soviet Union did not partition the country. Stop derailing the thread, this has nothing to do with the incident in Canada.
At its height, daily demonstrations outside US military bases reminded those inside that South Korean xenophobia extended to those who might be called upon to risk their lives to protect the country.
This is a joke. American bases around the world are there to serve American interests only and to promote the American Empire, not for protecting the country. The soviet union fell two decades ago, there's no reason for american bases to still be operating around the world.
Kim Jong Il?
Taiwann?
Japan?
We still are in Japan because of WW2. We are still acting as guards for taiwann so China doesn't take it over. We are still in South Korea to protect them from North Korea.
you must be joking. have you even studied history beyond elementary school levels? go take a college history class and come back and claim this statement.
Great Truman quote bro. Not that I'm not thankful for the fact that South Korea is still a capitalist nation, but the domino theory has already been disproved by the Vietnam War. Even China and the Soviet Union at the time were at odds, despite the fact that they were both communist nations.
By this treaty, the USAF are legally responsible for the defense of Japan and in return for this, the Japanese government has offered military bases, funds and various interests as defined by the Status of Forces Agreement.
In 1960, at the expiration of the treaty, the new Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan was signed between the United States and Japan. The status of the United States Forces Japan was defined in the U.S.-Japan Status of Forces Agreement. The treaty is still in effect and the Japanese foreign policy is based on these reciprocal obligations.
Also the Korean government wants American troops to be stationed in South Korea.
Every country acts in their own interests but lets just say that American interests are not necessarily taking over every country, raping and sending the women home for us to use, and establishing American governments in other countries.
The Korean kid probably pummeled the white guy with a 7pool and 14lair tech and swiftly GG'd the game, ending in a prompt counter attack by the White kid on his 7 o'clock expansion, which further aggravated him until the refs decided to come in and make it a draw.
On May 03 2009 17:10 Eury wrote: I hate to say it but when it comes to immigration and accepting different cultures, USA is better than pretty much any country out there with maybe Canada as an exception. Not that America is really great at it, it is just that all other countries sucks when it comes to immigration and how to handle it. Racism in Asia is pretty rampage, and Korea is one of the worst offenders.
i thought the netherlands was prertty good at accepting everyone.
Every country acts in their own interests but lets just say that American interests are not necessarily taking over every country, raping and sending the women home for us to use, and establishing American governments in other countries.[/QUOTE]
I can't tell if you are really an idiot or if you are trying to troll, but in any case: American policy has been about economic domination for a while and its foreign policy has reflected that. I don't know where you got the second thing from. And establishing American friendly governments is tried all the time. Bay of Pigs to overthrow Castro, overthrowing Saddam in Iraq, the CIA reinstalling the shah in the 50s, installing Hamid Karzai in afghanistan, etc. etc. George W. Bush always talked about "spreading freedom" by which he meant spreading liberal democracy.
On May 06 2009 03:17 ghostWriter wrote: lmao catbert who quotes themselves and answer their own questions?
You are seriously retarded if you think that Korea is the only country that indoctrinates their students.
On May 06 2009 09:23 ghostWriter wrote:
How old are you? 13? Jesus Christ.
On May 06 2009 09:50 ghostWriter wrote:
I can't tell if you are really an idiot or if you are trying to troll,
I know Koreans don't learn much in the way of critical thinking or discussion/debate skills. It's not your fault, the schools just create mindless zombies. But here's a tip, when you are trying to make a point you should try using facts instead of using the Bill O'Reilly school of arguing "i dont agree with you ur dum".
Also shouldn't this be a ban for so many personal attacks?
also lets be honest, jackie chan, does a lot more than just martial arts. Same with jet li, they both came from hong kong where they also had heavily martial arts roles.
Sandra Oh
also there are only: 4.4% or 13.1 million asians in America according to the last census. They almost have more hollywood actors than hispanic people that have a much larger population. For their population size they have good coverage in the media and movies.
As far as anime adoptions i dont think that is really important, Dragon Ball Z was a shithouse film just trying to make a quick buck. Also even the japanese film sailor moon was played by a girl who was half white.
List some movies that have been distributed to mainstream audiences where Jackie Chan or Jet Li ISN'T playing someone who knows how to do martial arts. Lucy Liu is constantly portrayed as a sexual object (Charlie's Angel series, ect.) The Harold and Kumar series is a recent development and does not excuse the bullshit that still continues to happen with hollywood and majoe studios not casting asians as foreign, asexual, or geeky. Even Oka Masi (Hiro in Hero) is portrayed as a geeky guy who speaks broken English. I understand that's what they typecasted for but they could have just as easily typecasted for an asian american. There are TONS of asian american actors such as Parry Shen, Jason Tobin, John Cho and Sung Kang just to name a few who are GREAT actors.
And as for anime adaptations, it's not just them. 21, The Last Airbender, they even have yellow-face in Cranked 2. Really? Not chill yo. Just because something you think "is not really important" doesn't mean it's actually not. Why not asians for the role?
By this treaty, the USAF are legally responsible for the defense of Japan and in return for this, the Japanese government has offered military bases, funds and various interests as defined by the Status of Forces Agreement.
In 1960, at the expiration of the treaty, the new Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan was signed between the United States and Japan. The status of the United States Forces Japan was defined in the U.S.-Japan Status of Forces Agreement. The treaty is still in effect and the Japanese foreign policy is based on these reciprocal obligations.
Also the Korean government wants American troops to be stationed in South Korea.
Every country acts in their own interests but lets just say that American interests are not necessarily taking over every country, raping and sending the women home for us to use, and establishing American governments in other countries.
If you knew ANYTHING about Japanese sentiments to American military outfits still being based in Japan you'll know that they're not happy with it and want them out. Also, the Korean government does not solely "want American troops stationed in South Korea". Any country would rather have their own troops protecting their interests than some foreign military force in their territory. Also, recently with the sunshine policy (sadly the new minister does not agree) the South has moved to better relations with the North (though the effectiveness of this policy has yet to be seen with the North constantly demanding more while giving less every time.)
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hell there might even be a positive correlation there lol.
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