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On April 18 2009 15:44 sigma_x wrote:
Regarding torture, there is universal jurisdiction over the matter (and if i recall correctly, the US has signed and ratified the UN Convention against Torture). So really anyone anywhere in the world can prosecute them (e.g. Judge Garzon in Spain).
Not with the power that is Bill O'Reilly who is boycotting the country. What match is a country with a $1,439 trillion GDP against a man with his own show on Fox news?
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placing inmates in rooms full of insects and "attention grasping" them is small potatoes. they should be extracting some teeth or smashing testicles if they really want to get info.
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Those methods of torture suck. That's not even torture for god's sake: putting soaked cloth on a person to cause him discomfort? Bush should not be getting heat for this at all. There are so many better methods like:
-cutting off body parts like fingers, ears, nose, eyelids....
-threatening to cut off balls or cock (this usually works, if it doesn't then cut em off)
-depriving of senses: putting a black hood on head, then leaving them in a very uncomfortable position tied up in a freezing room
-then of course almost killing them then reviving them, like drowning in a bucket of water and pulling out at the last second
-burning them or causing great pain in any other fashion
etc..
Compared to this, bush was a humanitarian
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On April 18 2009 02:43 gophillies3939 wrote:
i don't see anything wrong with this, these people are terrorists after all.
It's like saying it's right for them to fuck up people's lives because they are terrorists after all.
Then it's all good right?
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On April 20 2009 03:43 Hyperbola wrote:
Those methods of torture suck. That's not even torture for god's sake: putting soaked cloth on a person to cause him discomfort? Bush should not be getting heat for this at all. There are so many better methods like
- almost killing them then reviving them, like drowning in a bucket of water and pulling out at the last second
Compared to this, bush was a humanitarian
The soaked cloth isn't just there to make them slightly wet. It's there to drown them. The extreme torture method you're describing is the one they were doing.
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um fyi the vast majority of people, even in gitmo, are not terriorists. and the US cant prove it, or they would put them on trail. that is why there ARE no trials, because the US knows that they would be shams.
although, its hard to argue with most americans, that anyone of Islamic faith ISNT a terrorist. so i wont get into it i guess.
edit: ya they call it waterboarding to make it sound like a Sport, like "hey, wanna go waterboarding in Miami this weekend?" but it should be called "simulated drowning". cause when youre dragged out of your cell, in the middle of the night, after being kept awake for 5 days, Blindfolded, strapped to a table- with a wet cloth straped all over your face- then have water poored over your mouth for 1-2 minutes, ever 20 seconds, for an hour- you might think you were being drowned.
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I really wish all of you poeople who defend torture would have to actually watch people get tortured. The only reason you are not against it is because you can't understand it fully.
Take a serious look at yourself and consider what kind of person you are when you feel that torturing innocent people is ok. If someone you knew or loved would get tortured you would be in the front line of all demonstrations.
There is NO way you can guarantee that innocents won't get tortured if you chose to torture prisoners.
There is NO way to guarantee that the information you're getting is true.
There is NO valid reason for torture at all. The only reasons people have for it anger and sadism and frustration of not being able to take it out on someone.
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On April 21 2009 20:49 StarBrift wrote:
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Take a serious look at yourself and consider what kind of person you are when you feel that torturing innocent people is ok.
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There is NO way you can guarantee that innocents won't get tortured if you chose to torture prisoners.
The only way to torture innocent prisoners is if innocent people go to jail.
There is NO way of guarenteeing innocent people are not imprisoned if you chose to imprison anybody.
Take a serious look at yourself and consider what kind of person you are when you feel that imprisoning innocent people is ok.
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