Blu-Ray vs DVD

On March 12 2009 10:36 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:
on a lap top screen?

no you won't see a difference.

edit: plus blu rays are more expensive than dvds

On March 12 2009 10:37 renegade_zerg wrote:



unless you have a new laptop with a 1080p screen

On March 12 2009 10:44 xmShake wrote:
Depends on the resolution of your laptop, but 19/20 times its not worth it.

On March 12 2009 10:46 statix wrote:


Edge-to-Edge HD Widescreen 16.0 inch WLED LCD (1366x768) W/2.0 MP is what the specs say


oh and this is the laptop that im looking at picking up.

On March 12 2009 10:48 renegade_zerg wrote:
nice. i just bought that laptop and i love it. Definately worth the blueray if you watch a lot of movies on the go like i do.

On March 12 2009 11:35 Chuiu wrote:
There is a huge difference between DVD and HD in both resolution and color. Colors are much more defined and since the resolution is much higher everything becomes much clearer. These are crude comparisons but they give you a good idea of how much better HD is. Notice how closeups are significantly better in HD.

http://www.cornbread.org/FOTRCompare/index.html

On March 12 2009 11:35 Chuiu wrote:
There is a huge difference between DVD and HD in both resolution and color. Colors are much more defined and since the resolution is much higher everything becomes much clearer. These are crude comparisons but they give you a good idea of how much better HD is. Notice how closeups are significantly better in HD.

http://www.cornbread.org/FOTRCompare/index.html

On March 12 2009 11:41 PobTheCad wrote:
is the dvd player you are upgrading from double as a burner?

On March 12 2009 11:33 teh leet newb wrote:
If you have a 1080p TV that you can hook your laptop up to via HDMI, then yeah, it's probably worth it. Also, it looks like that screen can be upgraded to 1080p, so if you're going to do that, get the Blu-Ray drive. Standard definition DVDs just look like shit compared to HD once you've seen it. Although, you can always just pirate HD movies and watch them on your laptop without the need for a Blu-Ray drive.

On March 12 2009 11:45 statix wrote:


So even without 1080p the quality will be a lot better than a regular dvd? That's what I got from that link anyway.



Yes.

On March 12 2009 11:59 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:

a lap top screen just seems too small to really be able to fully appreciate it, regardless of whether or not it's capable of playing 1080p.

On March 12 2009 11:53 Jonoman92 wrote:
Meh.. I don't understand why the retarded public doesn't just resist new Blu-Ray crap and stay with DVD. It's good enough... I'm all for fueling the economy with new innovations and such but it seems so pointless.

On March 12 2009 12:45 .Ix wrote:


Yeah, just as pointless as using component cables instead of composite cables, right?

Obviously many people don't think DVD quality is good enough anymore. Something MUCH better is out there, and many people think the video and audio quality is worth the money. Besides, why resist it? It's there already, so if you don't want it, just ignore it.

OP:
If your laptop can't output HDMI or Optical audio, I don't think there's much sense in using it as a bluray player.

On March 12 2009 13:24 PobTheCad wrote:

wouldn't it be true that anything made before the turn of this century would not be recorded on good enough equipment to get any benefit from blu-ray over dvd?

On March 12 2009 12:45 .Ix wrote:


Yeah, just as pointless as using component cables instead of composite cables, right?

Obviously many people don't think DVD quality is good enough anymore. Something MUCH better is out there, and many people think the video and audio quality is worth the money. Besides, why resist it? It's there already, so if you don't want it, just ignore it.

OP:
If your laptop can't output HDMI or Optical audio, I don't think there's much sense in using it as a bluray player.

On March 12 2009 11:53 Jonoman92 wrote:
Meh.. I don't understand why the retarded public doesn't just resist new Blu-Ray crap and stay with DVD. It's good enough... I'm all for fueling the economy with new innovations and such but it seems so pointless.

On March 12 2009 11:53 Jonoman92 wrote:
Meh.. I don't understand why the retarded public doesn't just resist new Blu-Ray crap and stay with DVD. It's good enough... I'm all for fueling the economy with new innovations and such but it seems so pointless.

On March 12 2009 13:38 Jonoman92 wrote:


lol what's funny is you must assume whatever you're talking about in your first line is common knowledge to everyone. I mean... I'm sure one is newer/better than the other right?

I mean I understand that new stuff will come out whether I like it or not. And it will effect me eventually when DVDs stop being made just like VHS stopped being made.

On March 12 2009 13:32 IzzyCraft wrote:
Apparently everyone has a use it fully or it's a waste! don't bother, give up on lif,e you just go die in a ditch.

There is a def quality difference from started resolution of a DVD and the full quality that blu-ray will deliver to your TV even if it's only 720. Guess what even if it's a bit downscaled to fit your resolution it will look better, clearer and sound better due to the audio is not compressed and video isn't compressed at all. Blu-ray is lossless codecs all over that shit it's full quality. So what you don't have HDMI alot of tv's support VGA from your laptop to TV and audio from it. Sure it's only 2 channel audio and the VGA will probably only be best at 720p but it will still look better then a DVD.

On March 12 2009 14:19 Chuiu wrote:

Retarded public? Sorry if I want



Instead of



That doesn't make me retarded. I prefer higher audio and video quality anyday.

EDIT:

On March 12 2009 11:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

I was thinking pretty much this exact thing, just out of curiosity, do you have surround sound/home theater? The only problem with the laptop as a bluray/dvd player is that they do NOT output sound through HDMI, because its on the video card. So if you wanted to hook it up to your home theater (if you have one) it needs a digital optical out as well. Without that, you just have stereo sound :D I personally love the effect of 5.1 speaker set up. Its cool in bioshock when fucking enemies are behind me, I hear the assholes shouting from the back speakers.

Edit: and yes, bluray is a MUCH higher resolution than DVD's, from whatever you read, that is true. DVD's can look grainy on TV's that are like 32in or bigger. One of the best examples of bluray definition that I saw was in The Dark Knight when batman is kid napping the asian guy in hong kong or whatever, and it pans out and you can see an entire city, the definition is beautiful, it really shows how it captures even the smallest of details, its quite beautiful.

I am not too sure how up conversion works, but you should see if it can also up convert DVD's to 1080p/1080i/720p. It makes it look better, but bluray and movies that are meant to be displayed at 1080p still look a lot better, I vaguely recall something about uncompressed vs compressed formats? I am not too sure. I will read up on it later.

On March 12 2009 14:54 IzzyCraft wrote:

I'll take the blurry one she looks ugly nice and clear haha

On March 12 2009 14:54 IzzyCraft wrote:

I'll take the blurry one she looks ugly nice and clear haha

On March 12 2009 15:03 teh leet newb wrote:


I have a home theater back home, but alas, being a poor college student, it's still 480p unless I get a computer/Blu-Ray player to output HD content onto it. I watch 720p stuff on my 22" computer monitor though, and SD still looks like crap compared to HD. Even without surround sound, though, the picture quality of HD is just amazingly crisp. Ever since anime started coming out in HD, it's looked so much better lol. Gundam 00 ftw.

On March 12 2009 11:59 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:
blu ray is definitely worth it if you've got a decent home entertainment center.

a lap top screen just seems too small to really be able to fully appreciate it, regardless of whether or not it's capable of playing 1080p.

On March 12 2009 11:35 Chuiu wrote:
There is a huge difference between DVD and HD in both resolution and color. Colors are much more defined and since the resolution is much higher everything becomes much clearer. These are crude comparisons but they give you a good idea of how much better HD is. Notice how closeups are significantly better in HD.

http://www.cornbread.org/FOTRCompare/index.html

On March 12 2009 11:49 Chuiu wrote:
Yes, the jump from DVD to 720 is a noticeable difference.

On March 12 2009 16:15 nttea wrote:
wow i just watched those comparison images, and i feel shocked the difference would be that huge :o i smell something fishy here.

On March 12 2009 11:35 Chuiu wrote:
There is a huge difference between DVD and HD in both resolution and color. Colors are much more defined and since the resolution is much higher everything becomes much clearer. These are crude comparisons but they give you a good idea of how much better HD is. Notice how closeups are significantly better in HD.

http://www.cornbread.org/FOTRCompare/index.html

On March 12 2009 20:38 HanN00b wrote:
Blue Ray has a superb quality. We have a home cinema system with DVD player and normally only watch DVD. But my notebook has a blue ray drive (and a hdmi adapter) so I tested blue ray. The quality is great you really see every detail (I watches I am Legend). Before I tested it I did not know how great the difference is.

On March 12 2009 20:28 hni wrote:


there's no color that dvd movies can't represent. so if there is any difference between the color palette between the two it's not because of some flaw in the dvd format, but the studio just decided to encode them with different colors.

On March 12 2009 10:36 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:
on a lap top screen?

no you won't see a difference.

edit: plus blu rays are more expensive than dvds

On March 13 2009 01:06 gusbear wrote:
HD-DVD is dead, don't get it.

On March 13 2009 01:22 .Ix wrote:



fixed.

On March 12 2009 20:28 hni wrote:


there's no color that dvd movies can't represent. so if there is any difference between the color palette between the two it's not because of some flaw in the dvd format, but the studio just decided to encode them with different colors. in those shots the bluray movies look green... but the dvd ones could have looked green too if that was how they encoded it.

the resolution is a bit better... but that link exaggerates the difference. you can just look at the method the guy used "I used Photoshop to bicubically resample the DVD source images from 852x480 to match the 1920x1080 of the HD images.". so... basically he took a low resolution image, made it a lot bigger in photoshop, then shrank it back down for his webpage. you're going to lose detail if you do that. so it makes the dvd look a lot worse in comparison to bluray.

On March 13 2009 01:29 gusbear wrote:


No they are both dead they spent too much time in the format war while technology caught up. People will stick to DVDs esp dual layer for spinning media / digital downloads / solid state media unless they start giving out blu-ray players for free.

On March 13 2009 05:24 IzzyCraft wrote:
You must be slow... Blu-ray won becuase it allowed everyone to creative blu-ray not just monopolized which is why it won alot more stuff can be put out there for cheaper. If you don't remember jack shit back in like 2001 or w.e when dvd players cost 400 bucks guess what gave that 4 years and you can get them for 100 now you can get one for 25 bucks. You can get really nice quality blu-ray players for about 150 give it a year or two and that be down to 100

On March 13 2009 05:24 IzzyCraft wrote:

You must be slow... Blu-ray won becuase it allowed everyone to creative blu-ray not just monopolized which is why it won alot more stuff can be put out there for cheaper. If you don't remember jack shit back in like 2001 or w.e when dvd players cost 400 bucks guess what gave that 4 years and you can get them for 100 now you can get one for 25 bucks. You can get really nice quality blu-ray players for about 150 give it a year or two and that be down to 100

On March 13 2009 05:24 IzzyCraft wrote:

You must be slow... Blu-ray won becuase it allowed everyone to creative blu-ray not just monopolized which is why it won alot more stuff can be put out there for cheaper. If you don't remember jack shit back in like 2001 or w.e when dvd players cost 400 bucks guess what gave that 4 years and you can get them for 100 now you can get one for 25 bucks. You can get really nice quality blu-ray players for about 150 give it a year or two and that be down to 100

On March 13 2009 06:10 T.O.P. wrote:

Right now, every laptop manufacturer is offering blu ray players as a upgrade for only $150. The reason that blu ray players are so expensive now is because it takes a lot of cpu/gpu power to decode a 1080p h264 file. As technology progresses, the prices will only go down.

I don't think streaming will come close to blu ray for the next 5 years. The best HD streaming site is youtube right now. But you can't watch copyrighted material on youtube. Youtube HD is 720p at 2000 kb/s. The resolution and bitrate is not even close to Blu ray. It seems like google is the only company that could afford the bandwidth to stream in HD. I remember Stage6 closed down last year because bandwidth costs were too high.

The VUDU box costs $299.00. Rentals range from $0.99 to $3.99, and purchased movies range from $4.99 to $19.99.

On March 13 2009 08:11 Chuiu wrote:

What a crappy service. Others have the same prices without the box. I can rent HD movies for the same prices on my PS3 through PSN.

On March 13 2009 10:10 IzzyCraft wrote:
20gigs woot imma download oh shi- i didn't know there was a 150gig limit on my internet now my bill is 400 dollars waaaa??? Yeah download and play all those 20+ gigs movies watch how much your isp loves you after that.

On March 13 2009 06:19 Louder wrote:
I have a 1080p 50" plasma and DVDs through an upconverting player look awesome. They're not QUITE as sharp as Blu Ray but it's a nominal difference. The added cost of Blu Ray and the fact they're not nearly as convenient to rent as DVDs also discourages me from buying them.

I think streaming video / video on demand / downloadable video / yada yada is going to make Blu Ray obsolete before it ever really gets big.


As for the OP... an extra $150 for Blu Ray and 1080p is only worth if if you're willing to pay $30 for movies instead of $20, and if you're willing to choose from a limited selection of movies, and if you're willing to rent from the few places that have Blu Ray.

On March 13 2009 12:45 MiniRoman wrote:
For everoyne who didn't bother to look at his laptop

"16" ultrawide 16 aspect ratio with 1080p HD support & optional RGB-LED for brighter and more vivid colors" <----- 1080p support, get the blue-ray player.

1080p isn't going to be replaced for a long ass time and everyone who says cds are too fragile and spinning discs are a bad form of media are fucking stupid. + When that comes out the same people would bitch about the price being too high anyways.

Spend the money and enjoy your upgrade. Hopefully that laptop will last you 3 years and by the end of it your screen will still look sick as fuck.


Also net neutrality is going down hill (since were talking about hypothetical downloading in the future). There's no way people will be able to download and stream huge files like we do now. Shits gonna get cracked down for sure. Policy changes have been in discussion and will remain on the agenda for awhile.

VHS took awhile to get phased out but they did and eventually DVDs will meet the same fate and blue-rays will stop being expensive and become the standard (or the standard will just be slightly more expensive, either way)

On March 13 2009 12:11 hacpee wrote:

Once you encode them and cut the quality a little bit, you can prob fit 1080p vidoes into 5gb files.

On March 13 2009 14:55 gusbear wrote:


1) He has said he was getting the one with 1366x768 res.

2) Spinning optical discs are a relatively bad and dated form of media. Blu ray discs now have protective coatings so its not so bad, but have you seriously not encountered a bad CD or DVD? Anyone who buys CDs and DVDs on a regular basis will also know how much space they take up.

3) Net neutrality going down hill? I would think Obama was a step in the up hill. And why are you talking about stuff getting "cracked down"? We are talking about legit vendors renting / selling HD content online, not P2P. HD is the last thing you need to worry about if you are gonna download stuff like aXXo's rips, which only have about 300 lines.

4) VHS vs DVD and DVD vs Blu-ray is a completely different fight. The move from VHS to DVD had huge benefits in many areas. As for DVD to Blu-ray the only change is capacity, which is irrelevant for movies now that we have multi layer DVDs.

On March 13 2009 15:04 IzzyCraft wrote:

Guess what a 720p tv can downmix a 1080i source to fit and it will still look glorious. 1920x1080 is hell of alot better then 640x480 or w.e format they will use for 480 due to changes in VGA from the original 4:3 aspect raito

Spinning disk do you even know how they are made they are a strong plastic ALL FUCKING CD SINCE CREATION HAD PROTECTIVE COATING, guess what the reflective shit you see doesn't have any data on it a thin plastic disk between 2 outer coatings holds the information... and ssd will never replace a disk a disk costs pennys on the dollar to make a ssd costs dollars on the dollars why do you think n64 when broke shit on nintendo it's fucking costly as hell to make ssmemory. If your DVD or CD is broken guess what you a fucking bad owner you fucking suck put it in the case don't use them as throwing disks T_T

THERE is little cost difference in making a blu-ray disk and a dvd disk the only reason why blu-ray costs more is because there are less manufactures of the disk and the lazer is still expensive.

You sound like you don't own a HD tv and don't see the clear differences in quality.

On March 13 2009 16:42 PobTheCad wrote:
gusbear what exactly is the next technology do you think?
something to do with flash cards?
this is certainly something i would look at before blu-ray , just for the fact optical discs are so fragile and easily scratched.

On March 13 2009 15:06 GTR wrote:
is it worth the extra download if you can get a blu-ray rip over a dvd rip?
because i download at a max of 55kB/s and that's super slow, it will take me atleast 3 days to download a 1080p rip over a normal dvd rip.

On March 13 2009 16:42 PobTheCad wrote:
gusbear what exactly is the next technology do you think?
something to do with flash cards?
this is certainly something i would look at before blu-ray , just for the fact optical discs are so fragile and easily scratched.

On March 13 2009 16:49 IzzyCraft wrote:
You do know flash based SSD have write limits... they are hardly industry level esp with the cheap ones you are talking about usually hovers between 1000-10000 erases. Saying blu-ray is dead is saying VHS is dead 20 years ago when CD where breaking out. Guess what grand ideas of everyone watching tv though a pc is bull shit people need infrastructure why else do people use tivo instead of a HTPC? people frankly it's just too much work for people to do things your way. Simple point is disk costs near nothing to make they wont be going away for a long time.

On March 13 2009 16:56 [X]Ken_D wrote:

Depends if it is worth it to download something for 3-5 days just see something that last around 2 hours

On March 13 2009 14:55 gusbear wrote:As for DVD to Blu-ray the only change is capacity, which is irrelevant for movies now that we have multi layer DVDs.

On March 12 2009 15:39 NrG.ZaM wrote:


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On March 12 2009 10:56 renegade_zerg wrote:
i upgraded to the 1080p. I dont think the bluray drive is worth it if you dont. Stick to the regular dvd drive if you're on a budget.... the picture still looks crisp and clear