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Tuxedo.Bond
Profile Joined February 2009
19 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-28 22:33:26
February 28 2009 22:32 GMT
#21
It is still illegal under federal law.

Attorney General Eric Holder’s statement this week that the Drug Enforcement Administration would end its raids on state-approved marijuana dispensaries.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29433708

Also this news does not specify individuals.
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
February 28 2009 22:35 GMT
#22
They should tax it like they do cigarettes, maybe to a lesser degree. The amount of revenue they'd generate off of weed tax would be enormous. And most people wouldn't stop smoking it because it's illegal. I don't know a single person that smokes weed (and pretty much everyone I know smokes weed) because it's illegal; I've never seen a single post here from someone saying they smoke it purely because it's illegal. This is a good step in the right direction, though.
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Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-28 22:38:35
February 28 2009 22:36 GMT
#23
On March 01 2009 07:32 Tuxedo.Bond wrote:
It is still illegal under federal law.

Show nested quote +
Attorney General Eric Holder’s statement this week that the Drug Enforcement Administration would end its raids on state-approved marijuana dispensaries.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29433708

Also this news does not specify individuals.
shit, could've sworn I read that they were stopping arrests as well...
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-28 22:40:22
February 28 2009 22:40 GMT
#24
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radiumz0rz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States253 Posts
February 28 2009 22:58 GMT
#25
On March 01 2009 07:32 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2009 07:10 radiumz0rz wrote:
if it gets heavily, heavily taxed and regulated, i'm for it


If you put heavy taxes on weed then you are not solving the problem at all. Legalizing it with a severely steep tax on top would only make illegal weed dealers more prosperous because no one is going to buy something alot more expensive. Especially when growers / sellers can give it away for much much cheaper. If anything, you would be making the problem worse that way.

The goal is to eliminate the illegal dealers etc, and the violence and crime that go along with it. The best way to do that, is to not only legalize it, but sell it at a cheaper price than it is on the streets. Currently most marijuana goes for $10 a gram. however, dealers can buy it for close to $3 dollars a gram from a grower. If the government dropped the price to $3-4 dollars per gram, then it just wouldn't be worth it for weed dealers to continue selling it.


Let's look at the tobacco industry. There isn't much illegal tobacco trade entering the U.S. I think if we had something similar to that regulated industry it would bring tax revenue, stop the overflow of prisons, stop the three-strikes rule getting out of hand, and stop the criminalization of drug use just to name a few. With legalization, government regulation and taxation is a necessary component not to just scrape every dollar out from users as some cynics would put it but to set up a functioning bureaucracy to stop further black markets.
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MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
February 28 2009 23:03 GMT
#26
and if usa starts doing it, europe and other countries are sure to follow.
Since it was USA's fault that it got illegalized in european countries too :/ (they followed usa)

If home growing would be legal too, non lazy people could get their weed sooo cheap
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 28 2009 23:07 GMT
#27
Tobacco is not a drug though - the comparison isn't so easy.
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Jank
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States308 Posts
February 28 2009 23:12 GMT
#28
Definitely a step in the right direction, though its not true legalization and its not in every state.
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MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
February 28 2009 23:14 GMT
#29
On March 01 2009 08:07 Ace wrote:
Tobacco is not a drug though - the comparison isn't so easy.


uh yeah it is. it has nicotine
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24779 Posts
February 28 2009 23:15 GMT
#30
On March 01 2009 07:35 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
They should tax it like they do cigarettes, maybe to a lesser degree. The amount of revenue they'd generate off of weed tax would be enormous. And most people wouldn't stop smoking it because it's illegal. I don't know a single person that smokes weed (and pretty much everyone I know smokes weed) because it's illegal; I've never seen a single post here from someone saying they smoke it purely because it's illegal. This is a good step in the right direction, though.

That's not necessarily something that people would be consciously aware of if it were true.
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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
February 28 2009 23:20 GMT
#31
it just went to class B here...That's 5-10 if i get caught with intent.....
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swat
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Australia142 Posts
February 28 2009 23:25 GMT
#32
On March 01 2009 08:07 Ace wrote:
Tobacco is not a drug though - the comparison isn't so easy.


rofl
so all those people are just getting addicted to nicotine because... it is cool?
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-28 23:30:08
February 28 2009 23:28 GMT
#33
The title should say: Medical marijuana legalized in some states.
edit: a mod really should fix that.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-28 23:35:13
February 28 2009 23:33 GMT
#34
Either way the point is you can't just say "ok, they did it with Cigarettes so omg they can do it with weed too!".

The illegal weed industry is monstrously huge. It won't just go away because it's legalized in a few states.

edit: Actually nm. It's just semantics I guess.
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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
February 28 2009 23:47 GMT
#35
Hooray for Obama and congratulations to all US citizens! One step closer to freedom (:

As with any pleasurable matter, marijuana should not be used to any excess, and it is of course not a 'gateway' drug. There's no such thing.

I'm still hoping that here in the netherlands, marijuanna (in general) will be completely legalized. Poltics and public ignorant opinion are still in the way. City wide experiments were very close to happening recently. I don't use weed, but it would go a long way to show how backwards the war on drugs is and undo something that popularity politics has caused.
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
February 28 2009 23:49 GMT
#36
I don't consider it legal until people can grow fields of the stuff. Including hemp for industrial purposes.

Also legalizing something by choosing not to prosecute is kind of a bad deal. Technically if they chose to, they could individually target someone they didn't like.
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PhorClayton
Profile Joined July 2008
United States198 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-28 23:51:32
February 28 2009 23:50 GMT
#37
On March 01 2009 07:32 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2009 07:10 radiumz0rz wrote:
if it gets heavily, heavily taxed and regulated, i'm for it


If you put heavy taxes on weed then you are not solving the problem at all. Legalizing it with a severely steep tax on top would only make illegal weed dealers more prosperous because no one is going to buy something alot more expensive. Especially when growers / sellers can give it away for much much cheaper. If anything, you would be making the problem worse that way.

The goal is to eliminate the illegal dealers etc, and the violence and crime that go along with it. The best way to do that, is to not only legalize it, but sell it at a cheaper price than it is on the streets. Currently most marijuana goes for $10 a gram. however, dealers can buy it for close to $3 dollars a gram from a grower. If the government dropped the price to $3-4 dollars per gram, then it just wouldn't be worth it for weed dealers to continue selling it.


Agreed. I'd imagine that the major players in the market of legal US marijuana would be the tobacco companies. With steep taxes, if they felt they couldn't gain an edge over illegal street sold marijuana, why wouldn't they lobby the government for lower taxes on it?

But also, and more probable, is that if it were made legal, why wouldn't marijuana, with all it's trendy strains, become like micro-breweries, a unique one in every major town and city?

Simply compare buying street marijuana (in a legal environment) to buying your beer from someone's basement... it doesn't make sense. Everyone is going to want a brand name, because it will be better, probably cheaper and most importantly, convenient.
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
February 28 2009 23:55 GMT
#38
For real though how leniant will doctors be in ,prescribing marijuana. I highly doubt a young-adult would be able to walk up and say "I'm neurotic gimme weed~" and walk away with a prescription. I'm sure you need proof of a painful medical illness.

I'm just pumped cause that means the weed from Michigan wont get seized. Non-seizures will make it easier for dealers to expand their enterprise :O~
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MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
March 01 2009 00:55 GMT
#39
On March 01 2009 08:55 MiniRoman wrote:
For real though how leniant will doctors be in ,prescribing marijuana. I highly doubt a young-adult would be able to walk up and say "I'm neurotic gimme weed~" and walk away with a prescription. I'm sure you need proof of a painful medical illness.

I'm just pumped cause that means the weed from Michigan wont get seized. Non-seizures will make it easier for dealers to expand their enterprise :O~

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MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
March 01 2009 01:08 GMT
#40
On March 01 2009 07:32 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2009 07:10 radiumz0rz wrote:
if it gets heavily, heavily taxed and regulated, i'm for it


If you put heavy taxes on weed then you are not solving the problem at all. Legalizing it with a severely steep tax on top would only make illegal weed dealers more prosperous because no one is going to buy something alot more expensive.


I think "legal" would trump "cheaper" for most people. Not dealing with criminals is a plus.

Not like you see a lot of illegal cigarette dealers. Well, I was going to say that before I read this: http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-468es.html . So I don't know. I guess a balance would need to be achieved.
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