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On December 19 2008 04:21 Hawk wrote:
Oh, this looks like a fun thread.
Riots are the dumbest shit. Burning down cars, stores and other private citizen shit does absolutely nothing for your cause, besides making the group look like a bunch of idiots. It's a mob mentality—half those people are probably destroying shit for no other reason than it's fun, or because they can get free shit from stores. The other half are just doing it wrong.
If you're gonna do a violent protest/riot, why not target the people that started it, like the Govt. buildings, or the police?
And even then, it's stupid, because this whole thing hasn't even been reviewed. The cop says he got hit with a molatov, while eye witnesses say he was hit with a stone.
And it sucks that the dudes doing it right—the peaceful protests—get limited coverage.
Its being said that it was a bottle of water (the boy that got shot) stones and molotovs were the things people threw in the riots etc after the boy was killed.
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Yeah, I understand that's what's being said, but still, nothing's been proven yet. Totally hypothetical, but what if it was proven that he was throwing a molatov or something?
Even still, I just think it's retarded to burn the entire city and damage the stuff of people who haven't a thing to do with it. Go to the source—govt and police—if you must.
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SO FUCKING WHAT? you kill someone because of that? Thank god we are not like the United States were the authorities have the right to kill. We will start discussing about the appreciation of the human life now? wake up.
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On December 19 2008 02:48 Smorrie wrote:
Hahaha I saw all the movies that's from, that's jokes. The day the world stopped one is so recent too.
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Can you please stop Quoting over and over again those pictures. Yes they are nice. Save them in ur desktop and look at them every day. Here we are discussing about a very big change in my country's history. Its not fun to quote over and over again these pictures!!! A moderator should clean those quotes imo...
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heres the thing, if you try to target "the government", the president or head of police or whatever, what happens? you get killed or jailed. a huge massive riot becomes unpunishable because of the amount of people, because no civilized country can possibly incarcerate more than 0.5% of the population (oh look what I did there lol)
also. riots always end up being an outlet for some people who have a lot of destructive energy, and they channel this in a negative way. but these are only some, usually a fraction, of the people involved. and we must not dismiss their reasoning behind rioting even if the way they are going about it is entirely wrong. and even more important, we certainly must not dismiss the peaceful protestors just because a fraction of them are so frustrated that they become violent.
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People should be aware of what you said Drone.. too bad some arent..
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What makes me the most sad (sorry if my english sentence was bad) is that the media and the goverment labeled the death of the 15y old as a "isolated incident".
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Americans who don't back riots against any corrupt institution aren't very pro-Americans. Our country was founded by a massive riot, and civil liberties gained through getting the government to fear a massive amount of riots.
Everyone in the USA who thinks that what the greeks are doing is uncalled should take a moment to look up Kent State riots.
"Just five days after the shootings, 100,000 people demonstrated in Washington, D.C. against the war and the killing of unarmed student protesters. Ray Price, Nixon's chief speechwriter from 1969-74 recalled the Washington demonstrations saying, "The city was an armed camp. The mobs were smashing windows, slashing tires, dragging parked cars into intersections, even throwing bedsprings off overpasses into the traffic down below. This was the quote, student protest. That's not student protest, that’s civil war."[22] Not only was Nixon taken to Camp David for two days for his own protection, but Charles Colson (Counsel to President Nixon from 1969 to 1973) stated that the military was called up to protect the administration from the angry students, he recalled that "The 82nd Airborne was in the basement of the executive office building, so I went down just to talk to some of the guys and walk among them, and they're lying on the floor leaning on their packs and their helmets and their cartridge belts and their rifles cocked and you’re thinking, 'This can't be the United States of America. This is not the greatest free democracy in the world. This is a nation at war with itself.'"[22]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#Long-term_effects
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On December 19 2008 05:06 ffswowsucks wrote:
SO FUCKING WHAT? you kill someone because of that? Thank god we are not like the United States were the authorities have the right to kill. We will start discussing about the appreciation of the human life now? wake up.
If he threw a molatov cocktail at a cop? Yeah, that's way beyond swinging or throwing a rock at a cop dude. That's in the same neighborhood as shooting at or trying to stab a cop. The other shit—rocks, garbage, etc—obviously doesn't merit response with a deadly weapon.
On December 19 2008 05:11 Liquid`Drone wrote:
heres the thing, if you try to target "the government", the president or head of police or whatever, what happens? you get killed or jailed. a huge massive riot becomes unpunishable because of the amount of people, because no civilized country can possibly incarcerate more than 0.5% of the population (oh look what I did there lol)
also. riots always end up being an outlet for some people who have a lot of destructive energy, and they channel this in a negative way. but these are only some, usually a fraction, of the people involved. and we must not dismiss their reasoning behind rioting even if the way they are going about it is entirely wrong. and even more important, we certainly must not dismiss the peaceful protestors just because a fraction of them are so frustrated that they become violent.
I don't mean the President, per se, but more like just smashing empty cop cars, throw your firebombs at the police station instead of regular people's cars, something like that. Get the people who fucked up, not the people who are on your side or neutral. That doesn't accomplish anything.
And I know that not all the people rioting are doing it for kicks. I do think the peaceful guys shoulda got more press—that pic with the kid holding the flower was only one of how many pics??
I'm just playing devils advocate here because the media sometiems gets biased—police brutality is always one of those tiems—where they accuse before all the facts come out. Yeah, cops do absolutely retarded shit at times, and this likely could be one of them. But there's also plenty that get hung by the media, and then you never hear from it again if it's found out that the cop was acting properly.
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On December 19 2008 05:28 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2008 05:06 ffswowsucks wrote:
SO FUCKING WHAT? you kill someone because of that? Thank god we are not like the United States were the authorities have the right to kill. We will start discussing about the appreciation of the human life now? wake up. If he threw a molatov cocktail at a cop? Yeah, that's way beyond swinging or throwing a rock at a cop dude. That's in the same neighborhood as shooting at or trying to stab a cop. The other shit—rocks, garbage, etc—obviously doesn't merit response with a deadly weapon.
They are even questioning whether the kid threw the Cocktail himself.
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On December 19 2008 05:28 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2008 05:06 ffswowsucks wrote:
SO FUCKING WHAT? you kill someone because of that? Thank god we are not like the United States were the authorities have the right to kill. We will start discussing about the appreciation of the human life now? wake up. If he threw a molatov cocktail at a cop? Yeah, that's way beyond swinging or throwing a rock at a cop dude. That's in the same neighborhood as shooting at or trying to stab a cop. The other shit—rocks, garbage, etc—obviously doesn't merit response with a deadly weapon.
thats relative, hes a kid, and unless he has a massive stock of molotovs and the guard was on fire there was no reason to shot, since his 1 round of ammo was gone.
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On December 19 2008 05:31 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2008 05:28 Hawk wrote:On December 19 2008 05:06 ffswowsucks wrote:
SO FUCKING WHAT? you kill someone because of that? Thank god we are not like the United States were the authorities have the right to kill. We will start discussing about the appreciation of the human life now? wake up. If he threw a molatov cocktail at a cop? Yeah, that's way beyond swinging or throwing a rock at a cop dude. That's in the same neighborhood as shooting at or trying to stab a cop. The other shit—rocks, garbage, etc—obviously doesn't merit response with a deadly weapon. thats relative, hes a kid, and unless he has a massive stock of molotovs and the guard was on fire there was no reason to shot, since his 1 round of ammo was gone.
Unless you've got x-ray goggles on and can see that he's not packing heat under his coat or he doesn't have a knife, then year. But cops don't have that. All they go on is that someone (allegedly—I'm doing hypothetical here) threw a cocktail at him.
Look at the pic with teh cop on fire from a cocktail—you don't think that's grounds to take out whoever threw it?
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Because some people dont have a clue about Greece. I ll bring up an example
Some of us are into a bus. The bus has left outside some people. The question is. Are we going to hold into the bus and leave the other people outside or are we going to open the doors and let them in? Or are we going to try and bring in a 2nd bus to put more people in. IF we decide to close up in our bus then the people outside will start throwing stones and try to break the windows to come in. Thats an example of how a society might work. We strive for a better tomorrow, we strive for young people get jobs and reduce unemployment. Striving for all these things have led our country have riots etc. Thats all being done for good reasons. Imagine yourself living in a country and the money you make from the job you work doesnt afford you your power supply. Not everyone have their own shops to live. There are people that right now in greece live with borrowed money. The situation is pretty bad!! 
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On December 19 2008 05:37 ffswowsucks wrote:Because some people dont have a clue about Greece. I ll bring up an example Some of us are into a bus. The bus has left outside some people. The question is. Are we going to hold into the bus and leave the other people outside or are we going to open the doors and let them in? Or are we going to try and bring in a 2nd bus to put more people in. IF we decide to close up in our bus then the people outside will start throwing stones and try to break the windows to come in. Thats an example of how a society might work. We strive for a better tomorrow, we strive for young people get jobs and reduce unemployment. Striving for all these things have led our country have riots etc. Thats all being done for good reasons. Imagine yourself living in a country and the money you make from the job you work doesnt afford you your power supply. Not everyone have their own shops to live. There are people that right now in greece live with borrowed money. The situation is pretty bad!!
I feel you that that stuff is all shitty, but I don't think rioting for every issue is the best way to go about getting what you want =p
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Ok then Im waiting what ur suggestions are.
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On December 19 2008 05:44 ffswowsucks wrote:
Ok then Im waiting what ur suggestions are.
You are expressing your anger towards your country using the symbol of this boys death for all the fucked up things in Greece. When you calm down a little bit, you will see that and understand that there are other ways to solve problems diplomatically.
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You quoted something that is irrelevant with what you said. I asked from Hawk his suggestion. If you have one as well I am open to hear it. Gosh I should make a topic asking for a suggestion on where to migrate. I think Germany would be nice.
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I only quoted that post so that you knew I was talking to you. My post still applies, and it is only irrevelant because you might be having trouble comprehending it.
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Say something constructive and usefull to me and then I might comprehend what u are writing.
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