EPTEpic Riot In Greece - Page 10
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32148 Posts
Like kidd said, more diplomatic means. Rioting for every single thing—I think the stones and the bus was just a hypothetical example, not something that actually happened, right?—sets a shitty precedent. Violent riots should be the last resort in any situation. Especially ones where the people primarily getting fucked by the riots have not a damn thing to do with it. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On December 19 2008 07:25 HeadBangaa wrote: How else could you explain the unilateral and immediate reactions of the people? Rioting is insane fun and all people need is a reason to start it. A kid shot by police in a country depressed by recession is as good a kick-off as you can get. Doesn't change the fact that most people riot just for riot's sake cause it's fun as hell. | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2298 Posts
On December 19 2008 07:25 HeadBangaa wrote: These riots aren't some random act of violence. This has been coming to a head for a long time in Greece (from what I've been reading). Appealing to the press or protesting outside the police station? Those are things to raise the people's awareness. The corruptions have persisted, and the people are well-aware of them. It seems like the people ARE executing their last resort. They are well past the stage of raising awareness to the problem. How else could you explain the unilateral and immediate reactions of the people? They have every right to riot. Hawk seems to not have read his lessons well so he fails. you sir pass. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32148 Posts
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WastedYouth
United States563 Posts
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
On December 19 2008 07:41 Hawk wrote: Regardless, like I said, it's fucking retarded to burn down the store, home or car of someone who isn't even involved with the shit. anarchists consist of many different subgroups. Some of them think that they only have to riot against cops. Others think that they must go against cops and major targets like banks and huge stores. Others oppose to all kinds of property, thus they're only looking for a reason to start destroying every thing that they see around. Don't treat them all like one. To understand what I'm saying, there was a time that some anarchists (not during the riot, some random night) wanted to destroy a bank. However there were many cars parked around so, they started ringing every bell of the houses nearby to wake them up and have them remove the cars so they wouldn't be damaged as well. Most anarchists fall into this category It is proven again and again that there are many cops in desguise that go into these riots and start destroying cars and random small shops. These are the ones doing most of the "unmoral" stuff. Also, just because it's mentionted again and again in this thread. Get it clear in your head: The kid that got shot, did NOT throw anything at the cops, definitely not a molotov, there was only a verbal fight between the cops and the group of kids and THAT'S ALL. Cop got out of the car, and murdered the kid. This happened somewhere with coffee shops nearby and many many people saw it happen | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On December 19 2008 07:41 Hawk wrote: Regardless, like I said, it's fucking retarded to burn down the store, home or car of someone who isn't even involved with the shit. People who are fighiting for a cause need attention and support. The people who are neutral that become victims from the rioting will be spurned to action. They will 1) either join the protest (very unlikely) or 2) demand a proper reaction from their government. I mean, if my house was burned down, i can gauruntee you i'd be hell bent on justice being handed out. If i lost everything and the government didn't do anything to help me, or punish those who did it to me, i'd be starting a riot of my own. I'm not saying that the random destruction is a good thing or that it is the most effective way of dealing with the situation, but more pointing out that it's not 'useless'. The intentions of the majority of the rioters are irrelevant. It makes very little difference if someone joins the riot for fun, or because they believe in the cause. Assuming that there is a core of people that had real intentions for change, everyone who joins in - even those for fun - gives the cause momentum. (again, not saying that it is the most effective form of momentum, but is momentum none the less). I don't know the situation in Greece at all. I do not know the specifics or if they've exhausted other more peaceful options. Regardless, i hope that some good comes from all this; it would be so sad if nothing came to pass but the destruction itself. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On December 19 2008 08:19 WastedYouth wrote: wow those are some incredible photos! some of the best photos i've ever seen. amazing. | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
On December 19 2008 09:07 Mora wrote: I don't know the situation in Greece at all. I do not know the specifics or if they've exhausted other more peaceful options. Regardless, i hope that some good comes from all this; it would be so sad if nothing came to pass but the destruction itself. Yeah, the fact is that the ones causing the chaos, like the anarchists they are, the have no organisation, as I said they have many different subgroups so they can't act like one and they definitely have no demands (as in feasible ones, not just their opposition to all kinds of authority and the founding of a new form of an anarchist society etc) The only result of their actions (which are the ones shown by the media all the time) is making this government look bad so that the next one can come and continue the same kind of politics, in the same system with the same weaknesses and the same results after a similar incident a few years later. This scenario replays itself over and over again pretty much the same in the whole world, giving the illusion of change (just like the Obama election. People believe change has taken place when in reality, capitalism is the same and it goes on, no matter what clothes you put on it.) | ||
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Faronel
United States658 Posts
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
On December 19 2008 09:28 Faronel wrote: Sucks for Greece, I guess the government had it coming to them with all their corruption and inanity. Government is not the one being punished. Its the hard working store owners that are having their stores burned down. All the poor law abiding people will do now is want to give the government more power so that they can stop the rioters. Pretty stupid huh? Rioters hurting their own cause by making the government out to be ones "saving" and the rioters are the ones destroying. | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:36 CommanderFluffy wrote: yes, burning, pillaging, rioting will bring back the poor 15 year old. Mob mentality is a scary fucking thing. If you did a 10 second google search, you'd realize that this is not only about the kid. | ||
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
On December 19 2008 11:49 Rev0lution wrote: If you did a 10 second google search, you'd realize that this is not only about the kid. And destroying law-abiding citizens' stores will fix all of the deep and complex problems right? No. Mob mentality IS retarded. EDIT: I am mad at George Bush so I am going to go to my neighbor's house and rape his daughter. It all makes sense. | ||
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warribbons
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On December 19 2008 11:59 Savio wrote: I am mad at George Bush so I am going to go to my neighbor's house and rape his daughter. It all makes sense. Winner ![[image loading]](http://pix.nofrag.com/f/3/4/cd21742f8b67a925779ec4a1aaa85.gif) Seriously how can u make comments like that ... | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On December 18 2008 12:09 cz wrote: Yeah shame North America is so far behind Greece, Italy and Spain. Oh wait, those countries are not nearly as good in any metric. =\ I'd expect that kinda response. I never said Canada or America were not "good" countries. I just said we... because I am Canadian and proud of it actually... but WE would not take to the streets like that, I just don't see it happening at all. The North American system as I have studied in university has it's people scared or controlled by the government. I'm not say mind-controlled or whatever but decisions seem to be made without general consent for whatever reason. Whether it be trade regulations, laws, whatever. We often let it go by with MAYBE a protest, but to cause havoc across the country is a whole new level. While other countries all over the world, the people have been more motivated to fight for rights, rebel groups, w/e. Obviously because the conditions of their living are not identical to North Americans but that's what I'm trying to say... that WE DON'T have the balls like them because actually we don't. Nothing has given us the reason to have such big balls except maybe the Quebec separatists in Canada who kidnapped officials and forced Pierre Elliot Trudeau and put his foot down but in general, I don't see a lot of this in North America. (Not anymore anyway) Like the riots among Black people when that innocent Black guy was attacked by cops and it was filmed... I forgot his name. But I've read news about even more police ignorance, accidental shootings but even then, where is the public reaction? It just wouldn't move the WHOLE nation and I'm guessing political ties, financial background and race play a part in it. *Also, I mentioned in my OP that this is not fact. I have not done any primary or secondary research, and this is all just personal opinion with some random memories of past events that has happened in North America. NOT FACT, I am not saying all of this is the truth and solid and can not be changed so don't cry over it. | ||
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