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So as I am sure someone has said in last 12 pages, the issue is simply that marriage without religion EXISTS, I know this is shocking news to some but atheists get married and not through church, I am also 100% positive that the church frowns on atheists stating that they will forever burn in the fiery pits of hell or something to that effect.
I believe gay marriage should be aloud simply because I think we should jump the hurdle on not offering equal legal rights ( and don't say marriage isn't a right because saying it's something only some people of a certain community is privileged to is very KKKesque) to people because of their race, gender, sexual, orientation, religion, etc...
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
But this is a controversial piece of the constitution I guess...
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On November 06 2008 18:39 Fen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 18:07 Yaqoob wrote:
I am glad they banned gay marriage. I wish they'd ban it in Ontario, Canada too. Any reasoning behind this opinion?
I am very religious person and I don't like gay people. I'm just being honest.
As for centric saying to Murk 'its people like you that make me be embarrassed to be a christian'...
In the bible the people of Lot were all destroyed for being gay and committing acts of homosexuality. Its Christians who try to sugar coat their religion that disgusts me. In Christianity marriage is between man and woman and the fact that the people of Lot were punished and destroyed for being gay and committing acts of homosexuality should ring a bell in any christian minds as to what their religion thinks of this.
Also, I am not a Christian but I have read the whole Bible about 2 times.
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Also, I am not a Christian but I have read the whole Bible about 2 times.
And after reading it two times you still believe it to be factual?
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On November 06 2008 19:32 Yaqoob wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 18:39 Fen wrote:On November 06 2008 18:07 Yaqoob wrote:
I am glad they banned gay marriage. I wish they'd ban it in Ontario, Canada too. Any reasoning behind this opinion? I am very religious person and I don't like gay people. I'm just being honest. As for centric saying to Murk 'its people like you that make me be embarrassed to be a christian'... In the bible the people of Lot were all destroyed for being gay and committing acts of homosexuality. Its Christians who try to sugar coat their religion that disgusts me. In Christianity marriage is between man and woman and the fact that the people of Lot were punished and destroyed for being gay and committing acts of homosexuality should ring a bell in any christian minds as to what their religion thinks of this. Also, I am not a Christian but I have read the whole Bible about 2 times.
I am not religious though I do not contest those who say to be spiritual, I have read the bible, only once though for educational purposes I think it's essential like Plato and E.Kant, and I plainly agree with you, it's pretty clear what the bible says, (all 5 of it's original books, considered the old testament and the new testament (gospels and epistles)) I believe that when you believe in something it should be wholeheartedly or not at all, so i applaud your different view on life and the world around us but most of all your honesty in how you go about it, no one should be ashamed in faith, it's redundant.
Even though I am for gay marriage, though Never through the church, since that is just hypocritical.
EDIT: clarification here by church i mean any church that condemns homosexuality I.E. Catholic, Cristian, and Muslim.
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On November 06 2008 19:38 DM20 wrote:And after reading it two times you still believe it to be factual?
We are not talking about whether the bible is fiction or not. I am talking about what is contained in the Bible for those who base their religion of it. Anyways the post right above this one sums up everything pretty well.
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I was driving to work and I saw people protesting - Yes on one side and No on the other. The funny thing is, the No's outnumbered the Yes's 4:1. Must be the bay area. =/
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I woke up today and realized that I am actually a woman trapped in a man's body! My name is Susan!
Everybody shall refer to me as "she" from now on, OK?
All sex related terms MUST refer to gender identity, not sex, or else YOU ARE VIOLATING MY CIVIL RIGHTS!!!!
My feelings > established semantics!
I demand you change language semantics accommodate me or else YOU ARE VIOLATING MY CIVIL RIGHTS!!!!
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On November 06 2008 17:49 XaI)CyRiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 11:44 Murk wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin, and marriage is a holy thing, it shouldnt of never been allowed in the first place. a Preist that host gay marriages is making a mockery of everything hes supposed to stand for, and im not talking out of my ass homosexuality IS A SIN read the bible And this is exactly the kind of narrow-minded, self-centered point of view that allowed Prop 8 to pass. "I believe in Christianity, therefore everyone must also believe in Christianity. If I believe everything people tell me about what the Bible says is true, then everyone should believe everything I am told about the Bible is true. The only kind of marriage I recognize is the kind that involves a man and a woman and is presided over by a priest, therefore everyone else should not recognize any other kind of alleged non-Christian 'marriage'." Marriage is a concept that is beyond any single religion or faith. The idea that the Christian faith should somehow define what the US should recognize as a valid marriage is about as far from the idea of freedom of religion as you can get. The Constitution specifically prohibits the establishment of a national or official US religion, and specifically allows for each citizen to follow whatever set of beliefs he or she wishes too. What part of that in any way suggests that the government, state or federal, has the power to deny two persons the right to marry as a result of the way ONE religion (or ANY religion) defines the term "marriage"? As far as I know, marriage is a concept present in many societies, many of which have nothing to do with Christianity or the Bible. People get married in the US under different faiths (or even no faith at all) all the time, and yet the government has no issue recognizing those marriages. Marriage between a neo-nazi and a pagan? No problemo. Marriage between a Jew and a Muslim? Go right ahead. Marriage between two secular, non-religious people? Just sign on the dotted line. Marriage involving oaths based upon a fictional religion/faith/philosophy, i.e. Star Wars, Lord of the Rings? Live on in geeky matrimony. But marriage between two people of the same gender? Noooooooo, that's not marriage as it was intended to be defined. The rest of those? Yeah, that's what marriage was always supposed to be about. Whatever faith or non-faith you choose to adopt, the FACT remains that marriage has become a non-religious, secular institution that serves a non-religious, secular purpose in the US. People get married for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with religion or faith, such as tax benefits, marital property rights, immigration status, etc. The notion that gay marriage should not be recognized because of any religion, let alone one, ignores the facts and reality surrounding marriage in the present in the US.
There should be nothing left to say after this post
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Marriage? What is marriage?
Female, what is female?
What is male?
I feel like I am a female, you must call me a female, regardless. Because feelings are more important than semantics!
Theatrics aside, I still support Garriage.
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On November 06 2008 18:36 Centric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 11:44 Murk wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin, and marriage is a holy thing, it shouldnt of never been allowed in the first place. a Preist that host gay marriages is making a mockery of everything hes supposed to stand for, and im not talking out of my ass homosexuality IS A SIN read the bible It's people like you who make me embarrassed to be a Christian.
How can you be a christian, but yet approve of homosexuality??? seriously how old are you....
And to the people that say im narrow minded ... look IMO Homosexuality disgust me, i live in toronto and gay people have more rights then me, THEY HAVE A GAY FLAG NEXT TO THE CANADIAN FLAG DOWNTOWN !!!!! For the last5 6 yeears everytime i go downtown, i cant wait to get the fuck out of there, go home and take a damn long shower. GOD DID NOT INTEND FOR MAN TO LAY WITH MAN, IF YOU WERE A CHRISTIAN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT, And as i said before a preist that host gay marriages, is mocking his own religion, and spittin in the face of god as far as im concerned, i know some of you are not gonna agree with what i said, alot of you are infact homosexual, If you dont believe me check this forum out http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66695
the guys in here that are posting saying they are joking, but their not... because how can you joke about something so disgusting. This should be a world wide law, not just cali. This is a serious issue, and i would go as far as saying it should be illegal (yes that might be alittle over the top) But seriously Adam and Eve , Not adam and steve , or even Eve and sarah lol
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Im a christian, and I wholeheartly belive the Bible must not be followed up for every word.
Its been hugely missinterpreted along history, people dont want to think about it on the context it represents for each period of history, but as a final guideline for spirituality
If i must put it this way, the bible to me is a guide, an inspiration.
The radical interpretations that the zealots use as an excuse for exclusion and "tradition" are just something else we need to break in order to fullfill jesus ideals of love and charity.
We are all gods children, and no sheep will be lost, someday I hope all you against it for religious reasons will look back and realize that gay people are as human as we are, and deserve as much as we do.
Using a book whose purpose is inspire mankind to greatness for the opposite is, in my opinion, the true work of evil forces in mankind.
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You know, I just dont understand. Every chrisitan should be agreein with me, but yet they stick up for the homo's, and in the same sentence say their christian.Its obvious alot agree with me or this law wouldnt have passed, so it just leads me to wat i said before, alot of you guys are infact homosexual, its the only reason why you would have a problem with this law, cause it shouldnt affect you in any way
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On November 06 2008 23:26 Murk wrote:
You know, I just dont understand. Every chrisitan should be agreein with me, but yet they stick up for the homo's, and in the same sentence say their christian.Its obvious alot agree with me or this law wouldnt have passed, so it just leads me to wat i said before, alot of you guys are infact homosexual, its the only reason why you would have a problem with this law, cause it shouldnt affect you in any way
You are just not ready for progress, im sorry something as great as religion is your excuse, but dont come insulting us that are not tied to meaningless tradition because you cant understand how can someone be christian and not be tied by a few divisive words in the midst of a book that promote love for your brother, forgiviness and charity.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On November 06 2008 23:26 Murk wrote:
You know, I just dont understand. Every chrisitan should be agreein with me, but yet they stick up for the homo's, and in the same sentence say their christian.Its obvious alot agree with me or this law wouldnt have passed, so it just leads me to wat i said before, alot of you guys are infact homosexual, its the only reason why you would have a problem with this law, cause it shouldnt affect you in any way
What's much more obvious is that you are either a troll or retarded (or maybe both).
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Bottom line is the majority of the state of California voted a certain way.
If the issue comes up again and the majority goes the other way, then the law can be changed.
You can mumble on for pages formulating mediocre arguements for either side, but we should let the voice of the people dictate this.
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Let me clear up another thing, my disgust for gay's has nothing to do with god, i just dont understand how christians are sticking up for homosexuality, and if your idea of progress, is homosexuality being accepted, i dont want any part of it, your from brazil how do they look at gays down there? cause i know in jamaica you can get shot for that, and i know brazil isnt any better lol
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On November 06 2008 23:36 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 23:26 Murk wrote:
You know, I just dont understand. Every chrisitan should be agreein with me, but yet they stick up for the homo's, and in the same sentence say their christian.Its obvious alot agree with me or this law wouldnt have passed, so it just leads me to wat i said before, alot of you guys are infact homosexual, its the only reason why you would have a problem with this law, cause it shouldnt affect you in any way What's much more obvious is that you are either a troll or retarded (or maybe both).
or neither if this was 10 years ago this wouldnt even be up for discussion, times are changing for the worst, look were not gonna agree on anything on this subject, its obvious cali agree's with me, so i dont gotta debate anything, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66695
as you can see im fighting an up hill battle, where even admins were posting in here, so im just gonna stop before i get banned
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Perhaps I would take an interest in defending the sanctity of marriage if I believed that there was anything left to defend. The complete breakdown of family life in modern society and the retreat of civilized family life into vestigial pockets of resistance makes the entire concept of marriage worthless on a social level.
You want to defend the sanctity of marriage? Defend it in your home and in your hearts. Don't speak of homosexual fornication while you yourself practise heterosexual fornication. There is no merit to the idea that one is a lesser sin than the other.
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In the UK we avoided this whole issue by inventing civil partnerships which have the same legal status as marriage but are in no way religious. Anyone can get them. Separation of Church and State etc.
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On November 06 2008 23:56 Kwark wrote:
In the UK we avoided this whole issue by inventing civil partnerships which have the same legal status as marriage but are in no way religious. Anyone can get them. Separation of Church and State etc.
That's far too rational to work here.
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