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try and figure out which statments are really true and which are really false. enjoy... each true keeps the statement the same, each false reverses it. start with statement 1.
statement 1) 2 and 3 are false. statement 2) 1 is false, 3 is true. statement 3) 4 is false, 5 is true. statement 4) 2 is true, 3 is false. statement 5) 1 is true, 3 is true.
ill give you guys a while to figure it out before posting the answer. 
edit: hint, tally up all the true/false for each statement on a piece of paper as you go.
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well, technically it depends on their starting values
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On August 19 2008 06:33 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1-4 are false, 5 is true. Am i right? ill let you sweat on it till more ppl try.
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Okay let's give it a shot... Let me assume they're all true to begin with... 1t 2t 3t 4t 5t
Execute statement 1: 1t 2f 3f 4t 5t Exe 2: 1t 2f 3f 4t 5t Exe 3: 1t 2f 3f 4t 5f Exe 4: 1t 2t 3f 4t 5t Exe 5: 1t 2t 3t 4t 5t
But oh wait I think I did it the bad way hmm
Hmm after some more thoughts and a method I made up it seems that it has no solution.
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On August 19 2008 06:35 evanthebouncy! wrote: Okay let's give it a shot... Let me assume they're all true to begin with... 1t 2t 3t 4t 5t
Execute statement 1: 1t 2f 3f 4t 5t Exe 2: 1t 2f 3f 4t 5t Exe 3: 1t 2f 3f 4t 5f Exe 4: 1t 2t 3f 4t 5t Exe 5: 1t 2t 3t 4t 5t
But oh wait I think I did it the bad way hmm when reaching a new statement you have to recheck the others/reverse them/leave them alone.
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+ Show Spoiler +assuming they start as true, it's 1,2 and 4 false, 3 and 5 true. assuming they start as false, it's the opposite my guess at least
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On August 19 2008 06:36 X.xDeMoNiCx.X wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 06:35 evanthebouncy! wrote: Okay let's give it a shot... Let me assume they're all true to begin with... 1t 2t 3t 4t 5t
Execute statement 1: 1t 2f 3f 4t 5t Exe 2: 1t 2f 3f 4t 5t Exe 3: 1t 2f 3f 4t 5f Exe 4: 1t 2t 3f 4t 5t Exe 5: 1t 2t 3t 4t 5t
But oh wait I think I did it the bad way hmm when reaching a new statement you have to recheck the others/reverse them/leave them alone. Like I said that doesn't work(As in I've alredy know what ur gonna say so no worries)
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+ Show Spoiler + I think no solution To put it this way, let's consider 1's statement: "2,3 are false"
Assume 1t, then 2f 3f. Assume 1f, then 2t 3t.
As we can see, no matter 1's true/falseness, 1 and 3 will always be opposite. Either 1t 3f, or 1f 3t.
Now let's consider 5's statement: "1, 3 are true"
Assume 5t, then 1t 3t Assume 5f, then 1f 3f
As we can see, no matter 5's true/falseness, 1 and 3 will always be the same, Either 1t 3t, or 1f 3f.
Thus we reach a contradiction >_< Thus no solution I guess.
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+ Show Spoiler +if 1 is true, then 2 and 3 are false (as stated) => 1 is true and 3 is false (so far so good) and 4 is true, 5 is false (the reverse of 3) => 2 is true, 3 is false and 1 is false and 3 is true - contradiction with the initial presupposition
if 1 is false, then 2 and 3 are true => 1 is false, 3 is true and 4 is false, 5 is true => 2 is false, 3 is true (the reverse of 4) and 1 is true - contradicting the initial supposition
So 1 can't be true or false, therefore the exercise has no solution?
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+ Show Spoiler +1: true 2: false 3: false 4: false 5: false
Edit: sorry added spoiler
I think I can retrace my steps and explain it. I know it's a solution, dunno if it's the only solution.
And a little hint I think at least one person here missed: + Show Spoiler +When you set, f.e., (1) to FALSE you get 3 optional REAL statusses: -(2) FALSE, (3) TRUE -(2) TRUE, (3) FALSE -(2) TRUE, (3) TRUE
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Does "false" mean "completely false"?
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+ Show Spoiler +Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but it looks like the only one that never changes is statement 5 (by the time you read statement 3 it always says statement 5 is true, and it's the only statement that can change 5), but 5 can't be true because 1 says statement 2&3 are true/false (depending on whether it's been reversed) and statement 2 never agrees that both statement 1 and statement 3 are true.... just looking at it, I'd say that statements 2 or 3 can be true, but not both of them... and I'm not sure how to determine which if either of them are true. Statements 1, 4 and 5 look to be definitely false.
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i actually remembered this from a long long time ago but cannot remember the answer. i actually do not KNOW the answer but assume its either one of the following...
answer 1 with my "work" wrong or right. + Show Spoiler +statement 1) 2 and 3 are false.
1= 2=f 3=f 4= 5=
statement 2) 1 is false, 3 is true.
1=f 2=f 3=ft 4= 5=
statement 3) 4 is false, 5 is true.
1= 2=f 3=f 4=ftf 5=t
statement 4) 2 is true, 3 is false.
1= 2=ft 3=ff 4=ftf 5=t
statement 5) 1 is true, 3 is true.
1=t 2=ft 3=fft 4=ftf 5=t
2 false cancel out, no matter how many true's, a leftover false will make the statment false. end result:
1=t 2=f 3=t 4=t 5=t
answer 2 with my "work" wrong or right + Show Spoiler +statement 1) 2 and 3 are false. statement 2) 1 is false, 3 is true. statement 3) 4 is false, 5 is true. statement 4) 2 is true, 3 is false. statement 5) 1 is true, 3 is true.
1) says 2 and 3 are false. 2) can no longer say 1 is false and 3 is true. it now says 1 is true and 3 is false 3) can no longer say 4 is false and 5 is true. it now says 4 is true and 5 is false. 4) says 2 is true, and 3 is false. 5) can no longer say 1 is true, 3 is true. now says 1 is false, 3 is true.
remember: one statement saying another statement is true, therefore keeps the statement the same.
the curren't status of the statements are:
1=tf 2=ft 3=ffft 4=t 5=f
final answer:
1=f 2=f 3=f 4=t 5=f
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On August 19 2008 06:57 Mindcrime wrote: Does "false" mean "completely false"? false means a reversal of the statement. and "possible" reversal of other staments. i forgot to mention you can only run the statements once down through (or maybe once down through and then read and tallied, idk)
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On August 19 2008 06:57 Mindcrime wrote: Does "false" mean "completely false"? Eh, can there be "incompletely false"? If a statement is false then it is false.
Maybe lemme try explain more it'll be better... Let's say... A: Apples are red and Apples are orange. ^ That is false B: Apples are red or Apples are orange ^ That is true
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Pholon, he specifically said that "each true keeps the statement the same, each false reverses it", so you don't get 3 options.
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a really smart friend of mine gave me this problem a long time ago before he moved. i wish i could remember the answer.
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Lets see if I understood this correctly
+ Show Spoiler + statement 1) 2 and 3 are false. statement 2) 1 is false, 3 is true. statement 3) 4 is false, 5 is true. statement 4) 2 is true, 3 is false. statement 5) 1 is true, 3 is true. Starting at 1 = T
T 1) 2 false, 3 false F 2) 1 true, 3 false F 3) 4 true, 5 false T 4) 2 false, 3 true
go back to 3)
T 3) 4 false, 5 true F 4) 2 true, 3 false
go back to 2)
T 2) 1 false, 3 true
go back to 1)
F 1) 2 true 3 true T 2) 1 false, 3 true T 3) 4 false, 5 true F 4) 2 true, 3 false
Loop???
Or are we just supposed to change the values once? Or are we supposed to find a pattern where all the statements are correct in such a way that the false statements are simply negating the truth?
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