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Elite]v[arine
Profile Joined October 2007
United States264 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 21:35:56
August 18 2008 21:29 GMT
#1
try and figure out which statments are really true and which are really false. enjoy...
each true keeps the statement the same, each false reverses it. start with statement 1.

statement 1) 2 and 3 are false.
statement 2) 1 is false, 3 is true.
statement 3) 4 is false, 5 is true.
statement 4) 2 is true, 3 is false.
statement 5) 1 is true, 3 is true.

ill give you guys a while to figure it out before posting the answer.

edit: hint, tally up all the true/false for each statement on a piece of paper as you go.
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brjdrb
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States577 Posts
August 18 2008 21:32 GMT
#2
well, technically it depends on their starting values
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Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 21:33:50
August 18 2008 21:33 GMT
#3
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1-4 are false, 5 is true.

Am i right?
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Elite]v[arine
Profile Joined October 2007
United States264 Posts
August 18 2008 21:35 GMT
#4
On August 19 2008 06:33 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
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1-4 are false, 5 is true.

Am i right?

ill let you sweat on it till more ppl try.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 21:41:08
August 18 2008 21:35 GMT
#5
Okay let's give it a shot... Let me assume they're all true to begin with...
1t 2t 3t 4t 5t

Execute statement 1:
1t 2f 3f 4t 5t
Exe 2:
1t 2f 3f 4t 5t
Exe 3:
1t 2f 3f 4t 5f
Exe 4:
1t 2t 3f 4t 5t
Exe 5:
1t 2t 3t 4t 5t

But oh wait I think I did it the bad way hmm


Hmm after some more thoughts and a method I made up it seems that it has no solution.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Elite]v[arine
Profile Joined October 2007
United States264 Posts
August 18 2008 21:36 GMT
#6
On August 19 2008 06:35 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Okay let's give it a shot... Let me assume they're all true to begin with...
1t 2t 3t 4t 5t

Execute statement 1:
1t 2f 3f 4t 5t
Exe 2:
1t 2f 3f 4t 5t
Exe 3:
1t 2f 3f 4t 5f
Exe 4:
1t 2t 3f 4t 5t
Exe 5:
1t 2t 3t 4t 5t

But oh wait I think I did it the bad way hmm

when reaching a new statement you have to recheck the others/reverse them/leave them alone.
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brjdrb
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States577 Posts
August 18 2008 21:39 GMT
#7
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assuming they start as true, it's 1,2 and 4 false, 3 and 5 true.
assuming they start as false, it's the opposite

my guess at least
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 21:41:57
August 18 2008 21:41 GMT
#8
On August 19 2008 06:36 X.xDeMoNiCx.X wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2008 06:35 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Okay let's give it a shot... Let me assume they're all true to begin with...
1t 2t 3t 4t 5t

Execute statement 1:
1t 2f 3f 4t 5t
Exe 2:
1t 2f 3f 4t 5t
Exe 3:
1t 2f 3f 4t 5f
Exe 4:
1t 2t 3f 4t 5t
Exe 5:
1t 2t 3t 4t 5t

But oh wait I think I did it the bad way hmm

when reaching a new statement you have to recheck the others/reverse them/leave them alone.

Like I said that doesn't work(As in I've alredy know what ur gonna say so no worries)
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
August 18 2008 21:45 GMT
#9
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Assuming 1-5 are all 1t-5t, 1-4 will be false and 5 is true.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 21:48:07
August 18 2008 21:46 GMT
#10
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I think no solution
To put it this way, let's consider 1's statement: "2,3 are false"

Assume 1t, then 2f 3f.
Assume 1f, then 2t 3t.

As we can see, no matter 1's true/falseness, 1 and 3 will always be opposite. Either 1t 3f, or 1f 3t.

Now let's consider 5's statement: "1, 3 are true"

Assume 5t, then 1t 3t
Assume 5f, then 1f 3f

As we can see, no matter 5's true/falseness, 1 and 3 will always be the same, Either 1t 3t, or 1f 3f.

Thus we reach a contradiction >_< Thus no solution I guess.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Doctorasul
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Romania1145 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 22:03:30
August 18 2008 21:47 GMT
#11
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if 1 is true, then 2 and 3 are false (as stated) => 1 is true and 3 is false (so far so good) and 4 is true, 5 is false (the reverse of 3) => 2 is true, 3 is false and 1 is false and 3 is true - contradiction with the initial presupposition

if 1 is false, then 2 and 3 are true => 1 is false, 3 is true and 4 is false, 5 is true => 2 is false, 3 is true (the reverse of 4) and 1 is true - contradicting the initial supposition

So 1 can't be true or false, therefore the exercise has no solution?
"I believe in Spinoza's god who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a god who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 21:56:05
August 18 2008 21:52 GMT
#12
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1: true
2: false
3: false
4: false
5: false


Edit: sorry added spoiler

I think I can retrace my steps and explain it. I know it's a solution, dunno if it's the only solution.

And a little hint I think at least one person here missed:
+ Show Spoiler +
When you set, f.e., (1) to FALSE you get 3 optional REAL statusses:
-(2) FALSE, (3) TRUE
-(2) TRUE, (3) FALSE
-(2) TRUE, (3) TRUE
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
August 18 2008 21:57 GMT
#13
Does "false" mean "completely false"?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 22:02:13
August 18 2008 21:58 GMT
#14
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Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but it looks like the only one that never changes is statement 5 (by the time you read statement 3 it always says statement 5 is true, and it's the only statement that can change 5), but 5 can't be true because 1 says statement 2&3 are true/false (depending on whether it's been reversed) and statement 2 never agrees that both statement 1 and statement 3 are true.... just looking at it, I'd say that statements 2 or 3 can be true, but not both of them... and I'm not sure how to determine which if either of them are true. Statements 1, 4 and 5 look to be definitely false.
Elite]v[arine
Profile Joined October 2007
United States264 Posts
August 18 2008 22:01 GMT
#15
i actually remembered this from a long long time ago but cannot remember the answer.
i actually do not KNOW the answer but assume its either one of the following...

answer 1 with my "work" wrong or right.
+ Show Spoiler +
statement 1) 2 and 3 are false.

1=
2=f
3=f
4=
5=

statement 2) 1 is false, 3 is true.

1=f
2=f
3=ft
4=
5=

statement 3) 4 is false, 5 is true.

1=
2=f
3=f
4=ftf
5=t

statement 4) 2 is true, 3 is false.

1=
2=ft
3=ff
4=ftf
5=t

statement 5) 1 is true, 3 is true.

1=t
2=ft
3=fft
4=ftf
5=t

2 false cancel out, no matter how many true's, a leftover false will make the statment false.
end result:

1=t
2=f
3=t
4=t
5=t


answer 2 with my "work" wrong or right
+ Show Spoiler +
statement 1) 2 and 3 are false.
statement 2) 1 is false, 3 is true.
statement 3) 4 is false, 5 is true.
statement 4) 2 is true, 3 is false.
statement 5) 1 is true, 3 is true.

1) says 2 and 3 are false.
2) can no longer say 1 is false and 3 is true. it now says 1 is true and 3 is false
3) can no longer say 4 is false and 5 is true. it now says 4 is true and 5 is false.
4) says 2 is true, and 3 is false.
5) can no longer say 1 is true, 3 is true. now says 1 is false, 3 is true.

remember: one statement saying another statement is true, therefore keeps the statement the same.

the curren't status of the statements are:

1=tf
2=ft
3=ffft
4=t
5=f

final answer:

1=f
2=f
3=f
4=t
5=f
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Elite]v[arine
Profile Joined October 2007
United States264 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 22:02:21
August 18 2008 22:02 GMT
#16
On August 19 2008 06:57 Mindcrime wrote:
Does "false" mean "completely false"?

false means a reversal of the statement. and "possible" reversal of other staments.
i forgot to mention you can only run the statements once down through (or maybe once down through and then read and tallied, idk)
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
August 18 2008 22:03 GMT
#17
On August 19 2008 06:57 Mindcrime wrote:
Does "false" mean "completely false"?

Eh, can there be "incompletely false"? If a statement is false then it is false.

Maybe lemme try explain more it'll be better... Let's say...
A: Apples are red and Apples are orange.
^ That is false
B: Apples are red or Apples are orange
^ That is true
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Doctorasul
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Romania1145 Posts
August 18 2008 22:04 GMT
#18
Pholon, he specifically said that "each true keeps the statement the same, each false reverses it", so you don't get 3 options.
"I believe in Spinoza's god who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a god who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
Elite]v[arine
Profile Joined October 2007
United States264 Posts
August 18 2008 22:07 GMT
#19
a really smart friend of mine gave me this problem a long time ago before he moved. i wish i could remember the answer.
AKAs: Pyro]v[aniac ,
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
August 18 2008 22:08 GMT
#20
Lets see if I understood this correctly

+ Show Spoiler +

statement 1) 2 and 3 are false.
statement 2) 1 is false, 3 is true.
statement 3) 4 is false, 5 is true.
statement 4) 2 is true, 3 is false.
statement 5) 1 is true, 3 is true.
Starting at 1 = T

T 1) 2 false, 3 false
F 2) 1 true, 3 false
F 3) 4 true, 5 false
T 4) 2 false, 3 true

go back to 3)

T 3) 4 false, 5 true
F 4) 2 true, 3 false

go back to 2)

T 2) 1 false, 3 true

go back to 1)

F 1) 2 true 3 true
T 2) 1 false, 3 true
T 3) 4 false, 5 true
F 4) 2 true, 3 false

Loop???


Or are we just supposed to change the values once?
Or are we supposed to find a pattern where all the statements are correct in such a way that the false statements are simply negating the truth?
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