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KwarK
United States44368 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17850 Posts
He also mentioned that CCP just hands over most of the governing to the local governments so transitioning into a democracy with federal government (like USA and India have) shouldn't be that hard... | ||
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KwarK
United States44368 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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[JXSA].Zergling
China186 Posts
On July 21 2022 01:23 Manit0u wrote: It might be so, but he mentioned that it has to be so because of the sheer number of people living in China. That is not true at all. India has 100 million more people, speaking over 440 different languages in a country 1/3 the size of China and they make it work. Sure, there is plenty of bad stuff to be said about India but they're definitely way more open towards others and not as totalitarian. He also mentioned that CCP just hands over most of the governing to the local governments so transitioning into a democracy with federal government (like USA and India have) shouldn't be that hard... China implemented the federal system thousands of years ago, and without exception, it has become a civil war, because the subordinate government of the Federation wants to become the emperor in the end, or different federal governments carry out civil war. The development of China is uneven. Poor places are very poor, and rich places are very rich. Some places feel more developed than developed countries, and some places feel poorer than Africa. The Chinese are famous for their diligence and for their love of infighting. Infighting is particularly fierce when interests are uneven. If China implements a federal system, it will be a civil war of hundreds of millions of people, which has been the case for thousands of years. Again, due to the problem of translation software, the meaning of expression is not necessarily 100% accurate. Just as I use translation software to see your words, some are strange. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17850 Posts
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winteriscoming
38 Posts
Put these chinese sentences which is readable for any chinese in your google translation and I am afraid you won't have a clue what I am talking about. Language barrier is probably a factor that makes China looks so mysterious, because the Chinese Language is so damn hard, a foreigner, nomatter how gifted in languages he/she is, after 10+years learning Chinese, he/she might still have a problem in reading Chinese papers, not to speak of netizen slangs. However, the Chinese people can get 90+% of your meaning after yeas learning English. The outside world is transparent to the Chinese while China looks vague and barely perceptible. I don't see a solution to this problem, though foreigners have free access to chinese websites, they still get lost in translation, some of them might have learned japnese/korea and will face same problems though the 2 languages are much much easier. What is worse is that youtube are banned in China and people don't even stir themselves to get a VPN, so we can not really focus our debate on the same thing. People stick to their own views and no one find it is easy to persuade the otherside. | ||
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[JXSA].Zergling
China186 Posts
On July 21 2022 12:54 winteriscoming wrote: @[JXSA].Zergling跟这些沙吊争论个什么吉尔？这不对牛弹琴吗？真是先吃萝卜淡操心，拖裤子放批，越说这些龟孙越来劲儿。有这劲儿哪怕看看毛片不香吗？ Put these chinese sentences which is readable for any chinese in your google translation and I am afraid you won't have a clue what I am talking about. Language barrier is probably a factor that makes China looks so mysterious, because the Chinese Language is so damn hard, a foreigner, nomatter how gifted in languages he/she is, after 10+years learning Chinese, he/she might still have a problem in reading Chinese papers, not to speak of netizen slangs. However, the Chinese people can get 90+% of your meaning after yeas learning English. The outside world is transparent to the Chinese while China looks vague and barely perceptible. I don't see a solution to this problem, though foreigners have free access to chinese websites, they still get lost in translation, some of them might have learned japnese/korea and will face same problems though the 2 languages are much much easier. What is worse is that youtube are banned in China and people don't even stir themselves to get a VPN, so we can not really focus our debate on the same thing. People stick to their own views and no one find it is easy to persuade the otherside. 你这用的还是谐音字，外国人就算学习10年中文也很难看懂你写的中文是什么意思。 | ||
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winteriscoming
38 Posts
On July 21 2022 16:58 [JXSA].Zergling wrote: 你这用的还是谐音字，外国人就算学习10年中文也很难看懂你写的中文是什么意思。 我还没用拼音，火星字之类的呢。就是完全正常的字他们学十年也看不懂的，有老外写文章说过这个问题。你说的那些话他们根本听不进去滴，而且好像除了你那几个国人都给封了把。 If the 1billion Chinese netizens are allowed to visit every website freely, then twiiter ,youtube,porntube would be looking like Chinese websites. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17850 Posts
It seems to me that whenever people are trying to discuss some problem that's arisen in China there suddenly appear new posters that change the subject of discussion, without even using any really good arguments... | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
You would have expected China to be more like the European Union, with independent nation-states forming a larger political entity, but the difficult part is keeping everything under one banner. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On July 21 2022 20:56 Manit0u wrote: Every language has certain quirks and homophones that would make anyone but native speaker stumble (and sometimes even native speakers, stuff like 施氏食獅史). There are languages that are harder to learn than Mandarin (like one dialect in Ural mountains where they have 64 cases in their grammar). Language is not that big of a barrier since people have been successfully communicating with each other for thousands of years. Sure, some languages are harder to learn than others but not impossible. You even have cases of people in the US speaking better Chinese than people in China, despite not having visited China once in their life. It seems to me that whenever people are trying to discuss some problem that's arisen in China there suddenly appear new posters that change the subject of discussion, without even using any really good arguments... Yeah, I agree strongly with this and Asian cultures have a bad habit of falling for the temptation to say it's impossible for foreigners to learn. Can a person study for ten years and speak Mandarin better than native speakers? Of course not. But Chinese immigrants to the US learn to speak English and get by, but they do not speak English better than most Americans and they have to put up with jokes about their accents or their occasional errors. I think the bigger problem is that the number of Chinese who want to learn English and move to a Western country compared to the number of Westerners who want to learn Mandarin and move to China might literally be like 10,000 to 1. I don't know if China dreams of a day when that proportion reverses itself. It has actually happened for South Korea, which went from a big net outflow of people in the 80s to now having a big net inflow of people. I think China's big cities are attracting foreigners in decent numbers now. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On July 21 2022 20:56 Manit0u wrote: It seems to me that whenever people are trying to discuss some problem that's arisen in China there suddenly appear new posters that change the subject of discussion, without even using any really good arguments... Yup. This thread has been an eye-opener for me. | ||
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winteriscoming
38 Posts
Our 0-covid policy seems absurd to most foreigners, however we are pround of it because everyone feels safe. From political perspectives, the goverment want a stable situation, social STABILITY is of highest priority as always. As to the taiwan problem, I personally don't give a shoot about it, if you talk to me face to face annoucing that taiwan is a country ,I won't be mad, if they want independence they can try, they will come back to "Mother's arms" sooner or later,maybe in 3 years or 5 or 10 or 50, whatever. | ||
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winteriscoming
38 Posts
On July 21 2022 20:56 Manit0u wrote: It seems to me that whenever people are trying to discuss some problem that's arisen in China there suddenly appear new posters that change the subject of discussion, without even using any really good arguments... Because the old posters were considered fake chinese and tagged with nukes? | ||
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
What I gather is however “ I have a good social and economical status in China as is, so please don’ t talk about changing things” . Now I understand that to some degree it is considered rude and Uneducated to openly critisize anything up front and publicly like this in Asian cultures. Weather it be a restaurant or a goverment. But consider this: people have been cohersed and violently repressed, and are even still now. Chinese people. And foreigners under Chinese occupied territories. See Hong Kong for the first claim and Tibet for the second. When more than 1 million people take the streets, well, that speaks for itself. All kinds of people. When a spiritual leader of a country is in exile, that speaks for itself as well. And no, I don’ t believe your words are being misinterpretated because of google translate. You seem like a person that expresses themselves with clarity, to me. Yours is a case of privilege. Not the first nor the last that will happen in the world. You live in a privileged way, so no wonder you will defend the CCP with all your energies. If you said something against your goverment, that could be used against you in a court of law, and you could lose such privileges and even embarrass your family, which is another I believe very important thing to avoid in Asian countries. Lastly, the Chinese people who would have something critical to say about the situation in china, are probably more closely monitored that your internet activity. | ||
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winteriscoming
38 Posts
I noticed that some reasonable guys stopped talking because they were attacked for different voices. Well, same things happened in other threads. I will stop talking too. But it is no fun to view a post on china without the chinese posters, more or less like a long masturbation without sperm. | ||
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winteriscoming
38 Posts
On July 22 2022 01:30 pebble444 wrote: Well another thing that is becoming evident more and more is that one Chinese poster says “the majority of people want this” What I gather is however “ I have a good social and economical status in China as is, so please don’ t talk about changing things” . Now I understand that to some degree it is considered rude and Uneducated to openly critisize anything up front and publicly like this in Asian cultures. Weather it be a restaurant or a goverment. But consider this: people have been cohersed and violently repressed, and are even still now. Chinese people. And foreigners under Chinese occupied territories. See Hong Kong for the first claim and Tibet for the second. When more than 1 million people take the streets, well, that speaks for itself. All kinds of people. When a spiritual leader of a country is in exile, that speaks for itself as well. And no, I don’ t believe your words are being misinterpretated because of google translate. You seem like a person that expresses themselves with clarity, to me. Yours is a case of privilege. Not the first nor the last that will happen in the world. You live in a privileged way, so no wonder you will defend the CCP with all your energies. If you said something against your goverment, that could be used against you in a court of law, and you could lose such privileges and even embarrass your family, which is another I believe very important thing to avoid in Asian countries. Lastly, the Chinese people who would have something critical to say about the situation in china, are probably more closely monitored that your internet activity. You are wrong from head to toe, in China you need not to be in a previleged class to learn English and post in english forums or more closely monitored. I am from a quite common family. The only reason I post here is that I am good at starcraft:broodwar. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
I gotta ask do you really think people believe your lies? Like we were just there not that long ago and can see in clear text what happened not 25 pages of posts ago. We know that happened we were there. | ||
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
On July 22 2022 01:41 winteriscoming wrote: You are wrong from head to toe, in China you need not to be in a previleged class to learn English and post in english forums or more closely monitored. I am from a quite common family. The only reason I post here is that I am good at starcraft:broodwar. Edit: let’s talk about the ccp and how it’s affecting Chinese citizens | ||
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