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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On July 23 2022 06:37 maybenexttime wrote: If Russia falls, China will be its next target? How does that make any sense? Essentially if Russia would fail and Putin be overthrown and replaced by a pro-Western government, China would now be surrounded by enemies. Enemies that would, according to Chinese doctrine, be actively trying to suppress China's interests and growth. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11805 Posts
I think, we chinese, unlike the japnese, don't have a desire to expand. You may think that, but you are incorrect. Taiwan. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5794 Posts
On July 23 2022 12:51 winteriscoming wrote: Isn't it clear enough? China is the No.1 threat to the "freedom world" or "world order" , the Americans expressed their thoughts directly since Mr.Trumph times and repeatly emphasize on this even today. Before russo-ulkrain war, we are in great conflict with the americans on economical and political fields. And now, Russians are taking more bullets, if they fell, the ONLY thing to worry about is China for those who believe it is comfortable to live in a world where Americans are dominant. I know some western countries don't really like American dominance, but they think even it is not very good but still better than in a world where Chinese are dominant.- does my logic make sense? I think, we chinese, unlike the japnese, don't have a desire to expand. We are not a threat to the free world. If someday China took the 1st place, the world could be more peaceful, but I think the Americans will try their best to stop us. We can expect more conflicts between China and USA in the near future. Maybe years later we can find a thead on Sino-American War? We are avoiding conflicts with any country, but sometimes there's just no room for this. I didn't mean we chinese are peace-fonders while the americans are not. But the world is in the hand of politicians, bad things always happen against the majority‘s will. I think we are OKay, though we do have political problems. I know you are good too, and you have your problems too. Humans are stupidly keep fight agaist eachother, as someone said, the only thing we learned from history is that we didn't learn anything from history. This whole idiotic argument rests on the premise that it was American that instigated the war in Ukraine. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
On July 23 2022 18:02 maybenexttime wrote: This whole idiotic argument rests on the premise that it was American that instigated the war in Ukraine. Not really. It's about being pragmatic. Russia being non aligned is more useful to China than one aligned to the west. We can disagree if that's a good/bad thing, but it isn't untrue. I still don't understand how, if according to him China needs a strong suppressive goverment to function because infighting, how the world would be more peaceful if China was the biggest world superpower, if not the oppossite. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5794 Posts
On July 23 2022 19:49 Godwrath wrote: Not really. It's about being pragmatic. Russia being non aligned is more useful to China than one aligned to the west. We can disagree if that's a good/bad thing, but it isn't untrue. I still don't understand how, if according to him China needs a strong suppressive goverment to function because infighting, how the world would be more peaceful if China was the biggest world superpower, if not the oppossite. It's built on the assumption that the West went after Russia by making it start a genocidal war. In the real world, it is Russia that started a completely unprovoked war. What's more, the West did not try to destroy Russia at any point. Our politicians were perfectly happy to do business with Russia for decades. The same applies to China. The West has been helping it develop for the past several decades, in a mutually beneficial way. Their whole narrative is built on blatant lies. | ||
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winteriscoming
38 Posts
On July 23 2022 18:02 maybenexttime wrote: This whole idiotic argument rests on the premise that it was American that instigated the war in Ukraine. If you are interested in reading international politics, then Zbigniew Brzezinski's (national security adviser to former US president Carter)<The Grand Chessboard> is a must-read,then you will find who looks more like an idiot. | ||
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winteriscoming
38 Posts
On July 23 2022 16:59 Simberto wrote: You may think that, but you are incorrect. Taiwan. Every nation who established diplomatic relations with China agreed on the premise that taiwan is part of china, that is the so called One-China principle. Noone forced your country to establish a diplomatic relation with us. If one day your foreign minister declared that taiwan is not part of china, then I would advice all the germans living in china pack up to fly back homeland. When Mao's army crushed the old goverment, they flee to taiwan, not japan,not korea,not mongolia.... is it because taiwan was chinese territory or it was a free land? Learn some history. Japan launched the Jiawu War（1895） of aggression against China and forced Qing Government to sign the Treaty of Shimonoseki, ceding Taiwan to Japan. So you call a taking back of your own land is expansion? None of the American main politicians ever dare to say that, I would like to bet 50euros on that ,if Biden were to declare that taiwan is not part of china, then in the next 48hours, red flags would be all over the island. Howdareyou.jpg  | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17731 Posts
On July 23 2022 21:54 winteriscoming wrote: None of the American main politicians ever dare to say that, I would like to bet 50euros on that ,if Biden were to declare that taiwan is not part of china, then in the next 48hours, red flags would be all over the island. I think it's not a matter of returning Taiwan to China but returning mainland China to the Republic of China (Taiwan) since that's the original government and culture. | ||
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winteriscoming
38 Posts
On July 23 2022 22:07 Manit0u wrote: I think it's not a matter of returning Taiwan to China but returning mainland China to the Republic of China (Taiwan) since that's the original government and culture. yeah they tried to take back mainland china during the korean war in 1950 ,with the help of americans, and I think they dropped the plan when china developed atom bombs in 1964 and hydrogen bombs in 1967. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
The legalistic arguments about who rightfully owns what is irrelevant, it is all about power. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On July 23 2022 22:21 winteriscoming wrote: yeah they tried to take back mainland china during the korean war in 1950 ,with the help of americans, and I think they dropped the plan when china developed atom bombs in 1964 and hydrogen bombs in 1967. I think Chiang wanted to retake China, but he failed to receive support from the US, who didn't want to be involved in another bloody Civil War that would be much greater in scale than the Korean War. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11805 Posts
On July 23 2022 21:54 winteriscoming wrote: Every nation who established diplomatic relations with China agreed on the premise that taiwan is part of china, that is the so called One-China principle. Noone forced your country to establish a diplomatic relation with us. If one day your foreign minister declared that taiwan is not part of china, then I would advice all the germans living in china pack up to fly back homeland. When Mao's army crushed the old goverment, they flee to taiwan, not japan,not korea,not mongolia.... is it because taiwan was chinese territory or it was a free land? Learn some history. Japan launched the Jiawu War（1895） of aggression against China and forced Qing Government to sign the Treaty of Shimonoseki, ceding Taiwan to Japan. So you call a taking back of your own land is expansion? None of the American main politicians ever dare to say that, I would like to bet 50euros on that ,if Biden were to declare that taiwan is not part of china, then in the next 48hours, red flags would be all over the island. Howdareyou.jpg Ah, the peaceful chinese people who absolutely have no interest in expanding. And yet immediately there are threats of violence. Or what else is "then I would advice all the germans living in china pack up to fly back homeland. " supposed to mean. Of course, it is easy to declare that you have no desire to expand when you can simply claim that whatever you would be expanding to is already a part of china. And yeah, if Germany intended to "take back" its old land, like Königsberg, Alsace-Lorraine or Deutsch-Südwestafrika for example, that would also be aggressive expansion. The current status quo with Taiwan is that it is factually an independent country, but the PRC is bullying everyone into playing some stupid charade where they act as if they are not. And if the PRC believed that it could take over Taiwan without american intervention, it would do so in seconds. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5794 Posts
On July 23 2022 21:37 winteriscoming wrote: If you are interested in reading international politics, then Zbigniew Brzezinski's (national security adviser to former US president Carter)<The Grand Chessboard> is a must-read,then you will find who looks more like an idiot. I have read the book, as a matter of fact. You still look like an idiot for suggesting that the West is somehow to blame for Russia invading another country unprovoked. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On July 23 2022 21:54 winteriscoming wrote: Every nation who established diplomatic relations with China agreed on the premise that taiwan is part of china, that is the so called One-China principle. Noone forced your country to establish a diplomatic relation with us. If one day your foreign minister declared that taiwan is not part of china, then I would advice all the germans living in china pack up to fly back homeland. When Mao's army crushed the old goverment, they flee to taiwan, not japan,not korea,not mongolia.... is it because taiwan was chinese territory or it was a free land? Learn some history. Japan launched the Jiawu War（1895） of aggression against China and forced Qing Government to sign the Treaty of Shimonoseki, ceding Taiwan to Japan. So you call a taking back of your own land is expansion? None of the American main politicians ever dare to say that, I would like to bet 50euros on that ,if Biden were to declare that taiwan is not part of china, then in the next 48hours, red flags would be all over the island. Howdareyou.jpg Keep telling yourself that, when japan/US/korea/australia are all making joint exercise with Taiwan to contain chineses expansion. The more you post, the more indoctrinated you look. Long live Mao, the savior of 70millions of chineses from this plane of existence. | ||
KwarK
United States43926 Posts
On July 23 2022 21:54 winteriscoming wrote: Every nation who established diplomatic relations with China agreed on the premise that taiwan is part of china, that is the so called One-China principle. Noone forced your country to establish a diplomatic relation with us. If one day your foreign minister declared that taiwan is not part of china, then I would advice all the germans living in china pack up to fly back homeland. When Mao's army crushed the old goverment, they flee to taiwan, not japan,not korea,not mongolia.... is it because taiwan was chinese territory or it was a free land? Learn some history. Japan launched the Jiawu War（1895） of aggression against China and forced Qing Government to sign the Treaty of Shimonoseki, ceding Taiwan to Japan. So you call a taking back of your own land is expansion? None of the American main politicians ever dare to say that, I would like to bet 50euros on that ,if Biden were to declare that taiwan is not part of china, then in the next 48hours, red flags would be all over the island. Howdareyou.jpg Sounds to me like you’re saying that PRC is really a breakaway part of ROC and should be reabsorbed into the one legitimate China. | ||
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winteriscoming
38 Posts
Enjoy yourselves. gl/hf no re | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5794 Posts
On July 23 2022 23:44 winteriscoming wrote: OK I am stupid, i am inoctrinated, OK? Enjoy yourselves. gl/hf no re Oh, but I thought we were coming for you. ;-) | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On July 23 2022 23:44 winteriscoming wrote: OK I am stupid, i am inoctrinated, OK? Enjoy yourselves. gl/hf no re You keep praising a mass murderer. Who killed millions of your own people. 60+millions of unnecessary deaths. Yeah, you're more or less brainwashed. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
According to the Party, Mao was a hero for "liberating" China and setting up the socialist state, and he made grave mistakes during the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution that caused much unneeded suffering. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14105 Posts
Also it's the greatest gift a dictatorial government could ask for, a target of free saber rattling that it can also do tons of trade with. It's the Chinese Israel. | ||
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