The China Politics Thread - Page 14

On June 10 2022 20:27 Manit0u wrote:
Because of the 0 COVID policy and all the lockdowns China is now facing a $1 trillion funding gap. They've lost over $370 billion in taxable income and $500 billion in land sales. Shenzen reported a 44% year-over-year drop in fiscal revenue and all the mass testing is encroaching on 2% of China's GDP.

This means huge debts and potential massive crisis down the line. Local governments will be in some deep problems come next year.

On June 11 2022 00:09 emperorchampion wrote:

Where were you reading this?

On June 11 2022 00:42 Sermokala wrote:
2% of gdp is a level that I don't think you realize what it means.

A quick google and calculator says that's 294.4 billion dollars worth of testing. If china is spending 300 billion on testing 6 months into the year it's an incredible achievement in corruption we should celebrate.

On June 10 2022 20:27 Manit0u wrote:
Because of the 0 COVID policy and all the lockdowns China is now facing a $1 trillion funding gap. They've lost over $370 billion in taxable income and $500 billion in land sales. Shenzen reported a 44% year-over-year drop in fiscal revenue and all the mass testing is encroaching on 2% of China's GDP.

This means huge debts and potential massive crisis down the line. Local governments will be in some deep problems come next year.

On June 12 2022 16:23 Blue Light wrote:
I can't stop shaking my head, feel sorry, and...
I'm out of words
1st have you been to China and actually live there?
(I have, I was sent there to learn the language for 1.5 year than back and fort for business)
2nd if you listen to Winston Sterzel a.k.a SerpentZA and believe things that he said...
(the dude is a conman and a white supremacist)
3rd if you listen to those anti China main stream media like Sky News, Fox, CNN, Washington Post, and other western main stream media about China... well...

From my experience, westerners, specially Americans have what non westerners consider brainwash by their government about their view of non western nation/people, and especially when it comes to China/Chinese (and Russian, which right now become a sensitive topic, sot gonna touch the Russia issue atm), maybe coz of those coldwar mentality still lingers on americans, western people in general or countries under heavy western influence like Japan or South Korea, so it's easy to convince those who were raise by western believe that every thing that those surviving eastern power do is bad, evil only by a snap of a finger.

China issue:

Taiwan? dude, it an ongoing civil war, leave them be, let them solve it by their own, US been meddling and try to influence china since before the WWII, putting their bets on sadly the loosing side who runs to Taiwan island, the time when US imperialism on China is long gone, US always love the weak and corrupt government of Taiwan coz US still have the dream of colonizing the entire east Asia, Japan, South Korea are practically under US control, I know some, countries, not china btw, even called Japan and Korea as US lapdog, only if only Taiwan can win their civil war, the dream will be fulfill, so until Taiwan wins, forever and ever Taiwan will be US tool, puppets and bargaining chip in regards of China

Xinjiang?
Been to Xinjiang. 3 times, 1 with a tour group, twice for business visit to buy and sign deals with the Xinjiang locals, not Han Chinese, but an actually Xinjiang local farmers and businessman, base on what I saw, how the people living their lives, those abuse, oppressions story by those east Turkmenistan activist, free Xinjiang, etc etc make me wanna puke! Xinjiang human right issue are totally made up, funded by NED, while the NED is funded by the US state Department...
just google it yourself, I quote some I found by goggling it
"This allocation comes from within the budget of USAID, the U.S. agency for development assistance, which is part of the U.S. State Department."
"22 Jan 2004 — Though the NED is officially a private, nongovernmental organization, it gets the lion's share of its funding from the U.S. Treasury; last year, "
Testimony, from those so called witness who escape Xinjiang, after what happens with the testimony leading to invasion of Iraq & the fact that they are part of a movement group made by NED, well, IMO they are the joke of the century.
not buying any of it or the drama which they still trying HARD to sell

HongKong?
China lost the opium war, force to sign the Unequal treaty (en.wikipedia.org), hongkong is part of china, was just taken by force, got rape, and end up experiencing Stockholm syndrome, loving their british/western captors, never once during British occupation hongkongers ever given chance to have an election, now that hongkong do have an election the western countries said democracy being suppress in hongkong, get real...
Hongkong riots before covid and how the it was dealt? izzit a violation of humans rights or izzit those rioters just wayyyyy out of line? here is one to consider, not from chinese media, but from western media www.youtube.com
And, why not comparing the latest riot with 1967 Hong Kong riots under british rule and how it was handle by the democratic western system?

0-Covid
All I know from my Chinese colleague there, it's not how its describe by the western media, it's more of trying to prevent incontrollable spread, there will be case, but how to manage it from spreading like crazy, extreme case like Shanghai lockdown is the last resort.
The goals of their 0-Covid strategy is to buy time for the virus to die down or under control or until there is a more effective vaccine, medication or treatment, so, the number of cases won't go crazy like in the US,
if I remember correctly, the number of covid cases in the US is around 25% of the total population,
if say the same percentage applied on China 1.4 billion population,
it will be 350 million cases,
with this days covid mortality rate of 1.3%,
it will be 4.5million people dead,
the 0-Covid strategy and lockdown in an extreme case, actually saves millions of Chinese people lives

FYI, I'm not pro China or anti West, nothing is perfect,
the only reason I reply to this issue simply becoz the argument is dead wrong,
people get fooled easily when it comes to china issue,
I admit, before I went to China, I was one of China hatters, things change when I actually comes there, and willing to actually look for more information before I took the poisonous words come from the western mainstream media or those like SerpentZA (I was his subscriber before I went to China myself lol)

It's hard to see the truth when all the information you receive are all unbalance, wrong, and in the end, I believe you end up with what Psychologist called Cognitive bias (I think, I'm not a Psychologist, just remember someone talk about it somewhere)
In the end we believe what we want to believe,
so... Peace dudes

On June 13 2022 11:32 [JXSA].Zergling wrote:
1，Most Chinese people love their country，Not everyone loves their government and the Communist Party。Many people who are not familiar with China do not know this。
2，A small number of Chinese people come here to debate, not for the sake of the Chinese government, but just to share the facts of China normally. Or a small number of people who come to China to live, work and study also say what China is like. They are forbidden.
3，I have not the slightest comment on your criticism of the Chinese government or the Communist Party of China. The only thing I have to say is that you slander China. Some false information has shielded your eyes.

On June 13 2022 11:48 Samsakzerg wrote:


I am an Uyghur from Xinjiang China, I lived there for nearly 20 years before moving to a western country.

Can I talk about China? Can I talk about Xinjiang and Uyghurs?

I think you cant say I dont have any idea about china, not familiar with china etc right?

No one is saying shit about China, the Chinese nation, the people, or the Han chinese. People are debating some unfortunate mistakes that are occuring right now in China.

All countries in this world make mistakes, some learn from them, some dont. Some commit the same mistakes as others and blame the others for it, "you did it, I will do it too"

It is more dispicble knowing something is wrong from history yet still comitting it.

Uyghurs, Tibetans, Taiwanese and HongKongers don't want to be part of China. It is a fact. China should take their money and development and the China dream back to mainland China, be happy and prosper, but leave the others alone who dont want to be part of it.

On June 13 2022 12:38 gobbledydook wrote:


It's not true, even today, to say that Hong Kongers do not want to be part of China. There is indeed a small but vocal voice that demands independence but that is still outside the mainstream. Most Hong Kongers just want to be left alone to govern their own affairs and live their lives.

On June 13 2022 11:32 [JXSA].Zergling wrote:
1，Most Chinese people love their country，Not everyone loves their government and the Communist Party。Many people who are not familiar with China do not know this。
2，A small number of Chinese people come here to debate, not for the sake of the Chinese government, but just to share the facts of China normally. Or a small number of people who come to China to live, work and study also say what China is like. They are forbidden.
3，I have not the slightest comment on your criticism of the Chinese government or the Communist Party of China. The only thing I have to say is that you slander China. Some false information has shielded your eyes.

On June 13 2022 11:32 [JXSA].Zergling wrote:
1，Most Chinese people love their country，Not everyone loves their government and the Communist Party。Many people who are not familiar with China do not know this。
2，A small number of Chinese people come here to debate, not for the sake of the Chinese government, but just to share the facts of China normally. Or a small number of people who come to China to live, work and study also say what China is like. They are forbidden.
3，I have not the slightest comment on your criticism of the Chinese government or the Communist Party of China. The only thing I have to say is that you slander China. Some false information has shielded your eyes.