EPTThe China Politics Thread - Page 12
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Manit0u
Poland17770 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
Also cant help but think we still don't have the real # on covid in china | ||
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[JXSA].Zergling
China186 Posts
China's problems are too complicated to be explained simply，Economically, militarily, historically and ideologically, there are many ethnic groups。 | ||
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Sermokala
United States14146 Posts
On June 07 2022 04:32 Manit0u wrote: Are you telling me that entirely locking down huge cities, including closing the biggest port in the world can be considered "long game pragmatism"? If anything in recent years China has done anything but thinking long term, most of their moves were centered around strengthening the CCP short-term and unnecessary flexing that actually hurt them. Yes it is. They haven't gone through the waves of the plauge like the rest of the world with an MRNA vaccine to top off people from dieing from it. If they don't lock down Bejing and Shanghai like they did their entire population gets hit with Omicron 2 with little to no resistance to it. Leaning into nationalism in times of crisis is a classic western move. They're still building up their trade routes and buying friends in Africa while building fake islands in the south china sea. For all the unforced errors they take the money they bring to places still talks louder. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17770 Posts
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
Freedoms such as leaving the country, freedoms such as professing your religious belief system, freedoms such as owning your own house (you can only rent it as is from the goverment long term like 30 years) People deserve better than this; also,internet freedom to enjoy YouTube, Facebook, whatever | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17770 Posts
On June 08 2022 04:07 pebble444 wrote: Can’ t wait till the communist regime in China falls and people actually get to experience some freedom out there; Freedoms such as leaving the country, freedoms such as professing your religious belief system, freedoms such as owning your own house (you can only rent it as is from the goverment long term like 30 years) People deserve better than this; also,internet freedom to enjoy YouTube, Facebook, whatever Yeah, I think that if suddenly the great firewall of China would fall it would be quite a shock to many people there. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On June 08 2022 04:15 Manit0u wrote: Yeah, I think that if suddenly the great firewall of China would fall it would be quite a shock to many people there. It’s really not hard to get past, VPNs work fine basically all the time except for political anniversaries and shit, which has always said to me China isn’t actually that interested in totally blocking western internet, just making it annoying to access. The difference between when China is REALLY trying to stop you from accessing western internet and when they’re not is night and day. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17770 Posts
On June 08 2022 04:39 Zambrah wrote: It’s really not hard to get past, VPNs work fine basically all the time except for political anniversaries and shit, which has always said to me China isn’t actually that interested in totally blocking western internet, just making it annoying to access. The difference between when China is REALLY trying to stop you from accessing western internet and when they’re not is night and day. Yes, but it's still more a tool for more tech savvy people. I would presume that the majority of population have no idea how to use a VPN (even in the west it's hard for people to use anything that doesn't come pre-installed on their machines). | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
The great firewall going down wouldn’t change much beyond western tech moving in and fighting Chinese tech. It’s not like Chinese people would see some sort of hidden light and be in awe at western magic, tech literate people would barely notice until Google tried to assert a monopoly over China and the tech illiterate Chinese wouldn’t know the difference because they’re not using the internet much anyways. China isn’t the stonewalled North Korea brand isolated country that people imagine it to be. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
I’d like to point out the massive amount of data harvesting the US does, immediately after the Roe v Wade leak people were warned to delete their period tracking apps because they could become a legal liability in states that aimed to criminalize any loss of pregnancy. The west is no paragon of data privacy. I can’t fathom the idea that western corporations have an ounce of morality or integrity, frankly. They’ve shown time and again they have neither. At best they want to retain their own autonomous power and the Chinese government doesn’t take kindly to encroachments on its power in even small ways. Also your link says Dragonfly got shut down because of disagreements with Googles privacy team, not because anyone found out about the relationship. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
The west really has to stop thinking it’s uniquely moral or immune to information control, we’re neither of those things. I remember people asking me “where will you sleep??” before I moved to China because they didn’t grasp that Chinese people slept in fucking beds, lol. They thought people in China lived in huts and slept on fucking piles of straw. We’re all grossly ignorant of the places we haven’t actually been or spent any time in and we have these weird pictures of what we think those places are like but I doubt they’re often accurate. The Chinese people I met thought America was full of rich homeowners in giant houses with white picket fences, if you showed them urban squalor or any random neighborhood that wasn’t rich they’d go “fuck this is not what I imagined at all.” | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Fleetfeet
Canada2747 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
I just want to offer a perspective as a westerner who spent time living in China and got some interesting prospective insights into phenomena we’ve all mostly heard about and how those phenomena actually worked out when I was there. Like the censorship thing is about as bad as the media makes it out, but the great firewall isn’t nearly as isolating as people think it is. CCP is authoritarian and awful but they’re not communist, they’re like crony state capitalist, etc. Generally I now view China as an authoritarian country with a fairly competent government that I don’t think young people in the US can adequately understand. The US government is so beholden to corporations and so unbelievably short sighted and ineffective compared to the Chinese government which is basically an opposite situation. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
They also have a mountain of foreign companies that operate there obviously, like Ive never seen so many fucking Adidas stores in one city before, but utilities and sort of "core" business sectors domestically are basically the government. The price of utilities cant be beat though, 200USD for the maxiest phone and cable package, aside from that I was spending 40 bucks a month on utilities (electric, gas, and water) and I kept the AC to a crisp 60 degrees at all times. | ||
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