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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12028 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-17 17:42:35
February 17 2026 17:42 GMT
#18321
So third peace talks of this year ongoing now. Seems to be stuck on the same topics as a year ago.
Russia wants land it doesn't hold.
Security guarantees for Ukraine is not approved by Russia and a bit weak for Ukraine's taste.
Some mention how to run the nuclear plants afterwards as a serious issue but that seems easily solved. Just let France or somebody neutral run it as a non-profit and sell power at an agreed split between the countries.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17664 Posts
February 17 2026 20:26 GMT
#18322
Not sure any peace talks will be successful right now. Russia is weakening but it's not out of the fight yet. Zelensky mentioned something about pondering peace through diplomacy next year.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43588 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-17 20:53:25
February 17 2026 20:50 GMT
#18323
Russia’s minimum demands include the Ukrainian army abandoning their fortifications, laying down their arms, and standing in a tight clump above a giant X painted on the ground. They also absolutely refuse to give any kind of guarantee that they won’t launch a missile at the X.
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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5049 Posts
February 17 2026 22:20 GMT
#18324
All we're missing now is Wile E. Coyote as a Russian commander after the current one mysteriously falls out of a window. It really can't get more Looney Tunes in Russia can it?
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4603 Posts
February 17 2026 23:07 GMT
#18325
On February 18 2026 07:20 Uldridge wrote:
All we're missing now is Wile E. Coyote as a Russian commander after the current one mysteriously falls out of a window. It really can't get more Looney Tunes in Russia can it?


He'd be fine as long as he doesn't notice he has been thrown out of the window
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35169 Posts
February 17 2026 23:38 GMT
#18326
On February 18 2026 07:20 Uldridge wrote:
All we're missing now is Wile E. Coyote as a Russian commander after the current one mysteriously falls out of a window. It really can't get more Looney Tunes in Russia can it?

They'll be fine as long as they don't look down.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1161 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-18 18:47:43
February 18 2026 18:47 GMT
#18327
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-zaluzhnyi-zelenskyy-raid-5ff9e5e2054e0b17c10daf58d7eab63e

Interesting article from AP, based on an interview with Zaluzhnyi.

Highlights are:
- there were tensions between him and Zelenskyy since the start of the war
- this escalated (the first time) with SBU raiding one of his offices, the details on this are pretty murky tho
- the other time they had strong disagreements was regarding 2023 counteroffensive where he wanted a large buildup and a single point of attack that would be focused on the Zaporizhzhia region and (in best case scenario) punch all the way through to the Azov Sea, cutting off the Russian corridor
- apparently, this is what him and western advisors wanted but Zelenskyy disagreed, refusing to commit so many resources
- his fundamental disagreement with Zelneskyy is that he thinks that his plans and strategy for the war is based on unrealistic number of troops and is not organized well in how it develops and deploys new technologies to the battlefield
- finally, he said he was approached by Paul Manafort to be his campaign manager

I'm honestly not really sure how to feel about this guy, but the fact that he was, according to this interview basically polite when saying no to Manafort gives me bad vibes, this motherfucker was absolutely part of election fixing and resurrected Yanukovych, it just seems weird tho mention that in an interview without putting the emphasis on telling him to fuck off.

Of course, could be absolutely nothing but it made me feel weird.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9279 Posts
February 18 2026 19:10 GMT
#18328
It's not the first time I see the claim that Western advisors recommended a "single fist" maneuver during that failed offensive. The way I remember it is that Ukrainian military leadership disagreed with the plan because they didn't want to risk the recently acquired Western heavy equipment. It's a bit surprising to learn that even Zaluzhnyi supported that approach.

Another thing I don't understand is that in one part of the interview Zaluzhnyi says he supported an ambitious offensive in 2023, but in another, he says Ukraine's war strategy is bad at things that should be necessary to carry out such an offensive. I’m referring to the part about troop numbers and the use of new technologies. There’s probably a lot of context that I’m missing.
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Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1161 Posts
February 18 2026 20:37 GMT
#18329
I don't get the new technologies part at all, in fact, the whole article is kind of weird, usually, interview type articles are presented in a more "Q/A" format, this seems very editorialized and weird to me.

I mean, Ukraine has adopted to new technologies great, they just recently kicked NATO's ass with little to no effort in war games, they invented like 50 different weapons and techniques over the last 4 years, I get criticizing strategies and having different opinions about stuff like realistic troop numbers, but this kind of seems like a strange thing to criticize coming from the ex-Army commander.

I get why 2023 offensive failed, if I were Zelenskyy, I'd be very hesitant to dedicating a ton of troops and material to a single point of attack, that sounds like a recepy for a rain of iskanders taking out incredible amounts at the same time, but, then again, I am not a general or a strategist, so I might be way off.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
783 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-18 22:22:39
February 18 2026 21:25 GMT
#18330
Regarding that single point of attack - I guess in theory choices are
- either commit most of your forces in one direction, and then you can win a lot or lose a lot depending on how well this "all in" goes down
- or be more safe, but then you could be slowling bleeding out... though maybe your opponent is bleeding out faster than you, but it also gives them time to adapt and come up with something new (if they can)

And even if both approaches had similar chances of overall success - which of course I have no idea whether it's true or not - it's the first one that can get some definitive results faster, good or bad.

Maybe some people in power believed a strong singular push would be successful, and some other people in power might want this war to end sooner one way or another.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1457 Posts
February 18 2026 23:07 GMT
#18331
I never love when someone says, it wasn’t my idea when it didn’t work. It’s pretty easy to say if your name was not on it no matter what else went on.

You often see this in sports with trades that go bad, if some one else reports it was not your idea, great I get it. But throwing people under the bus after the fact is never cool.

We are going to have tons of that whenever Trump is out of power and I’m calling BS in advance.
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