Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 716

On August 21 2024 21:27 a_ch wrote:
Bucha massacre is staged.

On August 21 2024 21:27 a_ch wrote:


the 1st part is fun, because Geneva convention has been established in 1949 (a sidenote for rednecks - after WW2, WW2 is the war where Nazis have been defeated), so violating it or not cannot be compared with Nazis' actions.
The US supports Ukraine with cluster munition, don't see a reason not to follow.

The government doesn't execute POWs, neither torture them.

Targets hospitals, supermarkets - UA side does that a lot too. Its quite easy to find numerous confirmations that UA intentionally uses civil buildings for armed forces - I've posted a videolink with ~20 soldiers in a UA school recently in the discussion with @maybenexttime. There's even an Amnesty International report confirming this, which is surprising since all Western human-rights organisations most of the times are simply political influence tools.

Bucha massacre has been staged (it is confirmed that the dead people there have been killed mainly by the Ukrainian artillery shrapnel) for a very simple and obvious reason - to cancel Istanbul peace negotiations.
Izyum massacre - https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/07/06/ukraine-civilian-deaths-cluster-munitions,
most of civilian deaths again are due to artillery; there are videos of UA soldiers shooting point-blank pro-Russian Izyum administration personnel

>>They also copied the exact same reasons that nazi germany used to start ww2
- you have already failed to provide evidence for a similar statement. Also, I doubt that you can substantiate on what the nazi Germany' reasons for WW2 were.

On August 21 2024 21:10 sertas wrote:
Also the kyiv attack miserably failing will never be admitted by russia (if they didnt already admit it). Because the only people who know what the plan was is the abolut top of the russian mafia, ops i meant russian government, and they will never admit what the original plan was (its so fucking obvious they wanted zelensky to flee the country, which he almost did, and that ukraine would give up, but sure brainwashed russians can convince themselfs this was super high level mindgame manoveour to go all the way to kyiv then retreat and lose all that time and manpower and material for "diversion tactics" lol.

The only statement i remember about this is that they said "we retreat from kyiv because we want peace" or something like that.

On August 21 2024 21:31 KwarK wrote:

It’s like Katyn all over again. The Russian flag changes but the Russians don’t.

On August 21 2024 21:20 Excludos wrote:


I'm not sure if I agree. The same individuals have been spewing the same brainwashed conspiratorial bullshit since the beginning. But there was also a lot of things happening in the beginning, lending itself to discussions and updates about it. Things are obviously calmer atm, but the same bullshit is still being spewed, making that take up a higher percentage of comments in here.

The current status is that Ukraine have pushed into Kursk, but in doing so have thinned out their lines in the southeast, allowing Russia to push further into Ukraine with about the same amount (altough at a substancially higher loss). Moving the lines, even if the gains and losses of pure territory ends up being the same, is very beneficial for Ukraine, as that allows their superior training and equipment to equal out Russias substancial superiority in pure numbers and artillery.

However, Ukraine seems to have stopped pushing (at least seemingly so. The fog of war is strong atm). It could either be because Russia finally mobilized enough troops to stop it, but also equally likely that they simply completed their objective (which was to cross the border and take the fight to Russia), and are now bolstering their lines so they can move people down to stop Russia's advance in the south east (where the Ukranian troops are by all reports being incredibly scrappy, barely making due with little resources and men).

At the end of all this, we're likely to see both sides dig in and go back to static warfare for the winter. So tl;dr: not much has changed, except Ukraine have gotten some legit leverage in any potential negotiations with Russia.

On August 21 2024 20:52 KwarK wrote:

Hitler claimed that German speakers in Czechoslovakia were being oppressed. Then he sent paramilitaries into Czechoslovakia to attack Czechoslovak government offices while posing as native German speakers. Then he presented the crackdown as repression and invaded to protect the Germans.

The problem with Russian WW2 history books is that they start in 1941. They don’t include the bit where they armed the Nazis, allied with the Nazis, and started the war fighting alongside the Nazis in breach of their non aggression agreement with Poland.

On August 21 2024 21:54 a_ch wrote:


Your problem as a Nazi supporter is that you whitewash them at every point, and I don't find it reasonable to discuss any related matter after the Nurenberg. The Nazis have been crippled there, Ukraine will be their final grave, you included.

On August 21 2024 05:23 KwarK wrote:
Nazis are a reasonable solution to introduce

On August 21 2024 21:58 KwarK wrote:
I’m not a Nazi supporter.

On August 21 2024 22:02 a_ch wrote:




You're a doublethink Nazi supporter, and an intellectual self-castrate.
Fuck Nazi

On August 21 2024 22:10 sertas wrote:
a_ch you live in a completely alternative reality that its just impossible to even talk to. You simply say that ukraine does everything the russians do. Thats not true and ridicolous. Has ukraine hit 200 hospitals like russia? No, have they targetted supermarkets, no they havent. The list goes on for every single point, it didn't happen. Russia ignores geneva convention so they can hit hospitals, torture civilians, execute pows and much more exciting benifits. Compare ukrainian pows to russian pows when they trade, ukrainian pows look like skeletons and russian pows are still fat.

Ukraine would quickly lose western support if they behaved as barbaric as the russians do, yet you live in an alternative reality where ukraine does all these barbaric things russians do.

On August 21 2024 22:31 Sadist wrote:
Saying Bucha was staged....wow. I hope this guy doesnt represent the average Russian.

On August 21 2024 22:36 KwarK wrote:

He’s asserting that he’s more educated than the average Russian. This is why it’s a problem best fixed with tungsten.

On August 21 2024 22:31 Sadist wrote:
Saying Bucha was staged....wow. I hope this guy doesnt represent the average Russian.

On August 21 2024 21:43 a_ch wrote:


let me remind to the Poles here, what is the real position of any staunch Nazi like @KarL on the Katyn events, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Nazi_Germany
Fuck Nazis

It resulted in the sentencing of 139,835 people, and summary executions of 111,091 Poles living in or near the Soviet Union

500,000 Polish nationals imprisoned before June 1941 (90% male)
22,000 Polish military personnel and officials killed in the Katyn massacre alone
320,000 Poles deported to Siberia in 1939-1941
100,000 women raped during the Soviet counter-offensive (est.)
150,000 killed by the Soviets

On August 21 2024 16:54 iopq wrote:


Zelensky was making comedy shows in 2014, what are you even talking about? He was elected by 90% of Donbass voters on the Ukrainian side (the Russian side of Donbass didn't vote in the Ukrainian election)

On August 21 2024 21:47 a_ch wrote:


And again, you wouldn't be able to provide any solid evidence on "altough at a substancially higher loss", same as weren't regarding sending flight personnel as infantry in Kursk
Agree on the rest of the post though.