EPThttps://www.euronews.com/2023/10/10/baltic-gas-pipeline-leak-likely-caused-by-external-activity-says-finlands-president
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 607
| Forum Index > General Forum |
NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets. Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source. | ||
|
Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
https://www.euronews.com/2023/10/10/baltic-gas-pipeline-leak-likely-caused-by-external-activity-says-finlands-president | ||
|
Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
| ||
|
Excludos
Norway8230 Posts
On October 11 2023 16:02 Taelshin wrote: They think's its external, but they aren't sure. and you assume its Russia. Who blew up the Nord stream pipe line again? Oh no, let's not do this again. Unless more evidence comes to light, the answer is "We don't know". Anything else is subjective opinions based on how you want to interpret evidence that might or might not even be true | ||
|
Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On October 11 2023 18:47 Excludos wrote: Oh no, let's not do this again. Unless more evidence comes to light, the answer is "We don't know". Anything else is subjective opinions based on how you want to interpret evidence that might or might not even be true Well, at least we moved on from 'lol it was obviously RuZZia who else!' to 'we don't know', so uhh, progress being made? | ||
|
Sent.
Poland9267 Posts
| ||
|
zeo
Serbia6334 Posts
On October 11 2023 18:47 Excludos wrote: Oh no, let's not do this again. Unless more evidence comes to light, the answer is "We don't know". Anything else is subjective opinions based on how you want to interpret evidence that might or might not even be true A year after a sabotage attack causes billions in damages to the EU and Russia: well, we dont know anything The Gulf of Finland is one of the most patrolled waters on the planet, trillion dollar surveillance juggernaught watching everything and all eyes there... Something tells me Russia would have reservations about doing tacticool sabotage actions there but eh, at least the sleeping experts regarding Nordstream are waking up for this, maybe they can figure out what happened in the next decade. On October 11 2023 22:38 Sent. wrote: Maybe Russia wouldn't always be the first suspect if she didn't keep acting like Russia. Im curious to read your views on black people and gypsys after a statement like this. | ||
KwarK
United States43431 Posts
On October 11 2023 23:02 zeo wrote: Im curious to read your views on black people and gypsys after a statement like this. Russia is a single state actor with an established history of intentional policy choices. It is not like black people which are multiple actors that should not be generalized. For example if I said “it’s a zeo post so it’s probably dumb” that would not be sexist because of course it wouldn’t. | ||
|
Sent.
Poland9267 Posts
| ||
|
Simberto
Germany11712 Posts
On October 11 2023 23:02 zeo wrote: Im curious to read your views on black people and gypsys after a statement like this. Dude are you serious. The difference is that Russia is a single (state) entity, that consistently acts like Russia. If i knew a black guy called Fred who constantly stole from everyone around him, then of course people would suspect Fred if stuff goes missing around him. However, if then stuff goes missing around and another black guy is around, suspecting that second black guy would indeed be nonsensical. For example, if some Russian exile who was critical of Putin dies suspiciously of Polonium poisoning, it would be sensible to suspect that Russia has something to do with that, because Russia has a history of doing exactly this stuff. If an exile Belgian suspiciously dies of Polonium poisoning, it would not be sensible to immediately suspect the state of Belgium, because despite Belgium also being a state like Russia, it is not Russia, and does not have a history of acting like Russia. | ||
hexhaven
Finland955 Posts
On October 11 2023 15:50 Oukka wrote: Don't think this came up here yet, but submarine a gas pipe and a data cable between Finland and Estonia were damaged over the weekend. Nobody is saying 'Russia' officially, but everyone is saying 'who else'. https://www.euronews.com/2023/10/10/baltic-gas-pipeline-leak-likely-caused-by-external-activity-says-finlands-president The official Finnish line is very careful and understated. What we know so far is that data cable has been damaged closer to Estonia, and the gas pipeline closer to Finland. The damage to the gas pipeline could've been done by an anchor, or possibly something else. It might have been deliberate, or not. Last Saturday night was stormy, so one possibility is that a big ship was moved by the winds, and dragged its anchor along the sea floor, but so far it's speculation. Norwegian sensors picked up tremors that might have been from a small explosion. However, the way the Finnish officials have made their statements suggests that they know more than they're releasing to the public. Again, there's some circumstantial evidence, and one government bordering the region seems to have a motive, but it might turn out to be an accident. | ||
|
iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4375 Posts
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/10/11/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-20/ OCTOBER 11, 2023 Press Briefing by Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre and NSC Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby ..."And in Ukraine — on the Ukraine funding, we’re — we’re coming near to the end of the rope. I mean, today we announced $200 million, and we’ll keep that aid going as long as we can, but it’s — it’s not going to be indefinite." | ||
|
ZeroByte13
780 Posts
"we’re coming near to the end of the rope" - when there's no end of the conflict in sight... | ||
|
Dan HH
Romania9146 Posts
On October 12 2023 18:10 ZeroByte13 wrote: Oh, this doesn't sound good for Ukraine if they won't change their opinion and will actually follow up on this. "we’re coming near to the end of the rope" - when there's no end of the conflict in sight... I think you misread that as a statement of intent/will, it's not that. He's talking about how long the currently approved funds can last before Congress gets its shit together and can pass bills again. | ||
|
ZeroByte13
780 Posts
| ||
|
Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
| ||
|
KwarK
United States43431 Posts
| ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9527 Posts
On October 10 2023 23:04 zeo wrote: Anyway, something big happening right now around Avdeevka. Huge artillery/bombing campaign early morning and a push to Berdychi. UKR troops will counterattack though everything is now in a fog of war. Will be a dramatic change for thia part of the front if they can keep the positions. I saw the reports about ex-Wagner being sent to Avdeevka and thought nothing about it. Turns out they were planning this for quite some time Any updates on how this turned out, or is it still too early to tell? | ||
|
hitthat
Poland2296 Posts
On October 13 2023 02:13 2Pacalypse- wrote: Any updates on how this turned out, or is it still too early to tell? Ukraine claims it held their defensive possitions. From the films it looks like that attack is a meat grinder, both sides send confirmations of succesfull attacks on hostile vehicles and instalations. | ||
|
maybenexttime
Poland5736 Posts
On October 13 2023 02:34 hitthat wrote: Ukraine claims it held their defensive possitions. From the films it looks like that attack is a meat grinder, both sides send confirmations of succesfull attacks on hostile vehicles and instalations. According to visually confirmed losses (by Andrew Perpetua), the fascists are taking a beating: ![[image loading]](https://preview.redd.it/po8085h26qtb1.png?width=1178&format=png&auto=webp&s=eebc829bcb4d7c6654d6929c429ba21e90a547ca) | ||
|
zeo
Serbia6334 Posts
On October 13 2023 02:13 2Pacalypse- wrote: Any updates on how this turned out, or is it still too early to tell? Avdeevka is the most fortified town on the planet, billions were spent from 2014 building reinforced concrete fortifications and positions there, and something like 15000 soldiers are there. A full on assault is suicide, only way to take the town is to cut it off from supplies and starve the garrison out. Since 2014 its been untouchable right next to Donetsk Some maps from yesterday: A pro-Russian source: And a very cautious source that turns out to be right most of the time and posted at the same time. You can view his whole map of Ukraine here https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1V8NzjQkzMOhpuLhkktbiKgodOQ27X6IV&ll=48.15489121035866,37.91556114209466&z=9: Whats sure for both of them is that the Russians took the extremely important slag heap to the north of Avdeevka yesterday that looks over the entire town. They moved a massive amount of heavy equipment to the area and are bombing everything that moves inside the town, though the artillery systems farther from the town can work on them. That said they are aiming to pincer the supply routes to the city by going for the villages of Sjeverne and Berdychi. Very heavy fighting with attacks and counterattacks and lost equipment on both sides, Informational suppression going on and obviously a lot of stuffing and propaganda from all sides. Avdeevka was created to be lynchpin fortress and taking it will be a slow and very bloody process even if the Russians manage to cut off the supply routes within the next week. | ||
| ||
