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emperorofwild
Profile Joined July 2019
87 Posts
March 14 2022 18:29 GMT
#1001
anyway why this thread can go this far from its topic……
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 14 2022 18:34 GMT
#1002
Now we know why they won't open the stock market.

Russia has sent the clearest signal yet that it will soon default — the first time it will have failed to meet its foreign debt obligations since the Bolshevik revolution more than a century ago.

Half of the country's foreign reserves — roughly $315 billion — have been frozen by Western sanctions imposed after the invasion of Ukraine, Russian finance minister Anton Siluanov said on Sunday. As a result, Moscow will repay creditors from "countries that are unfriendly" in rubles until the sanctions are lifted, he said.

Credit ratings agencies would likely consider Russia to be in default if Moscow misses payments or repays debt issued in dollars or euros with other currencies such as the ruble or China's yuan. A default could drive the few remaining foreign investors out of Russia and further isolate the country's crumbling economy.

The default could come as early as Wednesday, when Moscow needs to hand over $117 million in interest payments on dollar-denominated government bonds, according to JPMorgan Chase. Although Russia has issued bonds that can be repaid in multiple currencies since 2018, these payments must be made in US dollars.

Imminent default

Kristalina Georgieva, managing director of the International Monetary Fund, said Sunday that a Russian default is no longer "improbable."

"Russia has the money to service its debt, but cannot access it," she said during an interview on CBS' Face the Nation.
Last week, Fitch Ratings downgraded Russian debt, saying Moscow's willingness and ability to service its debts has been undermined and default "is imminent." The ratings agency also warned that Russia may attempt to repay creditors in specified countries in rubles.

Analysts at Capital Economics said that a default was already reflected in the price of Russia's dollar bonds, which have crashed to trade at just 20 cents on the dollar.

The interest payments due Wednesday come with a 30-day grace period. But credit ratings agencies could declare Russia to be in default before that period ends if Moscow makes clear that it does not intend to pay.

Russia last defaulted on its domestic debt when the country was plunged into a financial crisis by a collapse in commodity prices in 1998. Its most recent foreign currency default came in 1918 when Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin repudiated bonds issued by the Tsarist government.

What happens next

The Russian government has borrowed relatively little. JPMorgan estimates that it had about $40 billion of foreign currency debt at the end of last year, with about half of that held by foreign investors.

But the potential consequences of a default are difficult to gauge. The 2008 global financial crisis and the coronavirus pandemic showed how negative shocks can spread across the modern interconnected global financial system and economy.

International banks are owed more than $121 billion by Russian entities, according to the Bank for International Settlements. European banks have over $84 billion total claims, with France, Italy and Austria the most exposed, and US banks owed $14.7 billion.

Georgieva said Sunday that a financial crisis was unlikely to develop "for now," saying that the exposure of Western banks was "not systemically relevant."

Even if Moscow halts payments to foreign investors on all sovereign debt, the roughly $60 billion default — including ruble debt held overseas — would be in the same ballpark as Argentina's in 2020 — a non-event for markets.

But analysts at Capital Economics warned that one major financial institution might be particularly exposed to Russian debt, which could cause broader financial contagion. A second risk is that a default could trigger missed payments by Russian companies.

Vladimir Potanin, Russia's richest businessman, called last week for Moscow to ease restrictions on foreign currency so that interest could be paid on foreign bonds and loans. Otherwise, there was a risk the country could default on its entire external debt, which he estimated at about $480 billion.

"For Russia, the main cost is being locked out of global capital markets, or at least higher borrowing costs for a prolonged period. But sanctions have done that anyway," wrote analysts at Capital Economics.


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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43459 Posts
March 14 2022 18:51 GMT
#1003
Sovereign bond borrowers are dumb and have short memories anyway. Argentina defaults, offers new bonds, then defaults on those as an annual tradition. They still find people stupid enough to buy some.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-14 18:59:24
March 14 2022 18:57 GMT
#1004
If Russia defaults then it's cause they're not allowed to pay, not cause they can't pay. It's even written in StealthBlues quote, with two opposing narratives:

"Russia has the money to service its debt, but cannot access it," she said during an interview on CBS' Face the Nation.



Fitch Ratings downgraded Russian debt, saying Moscow's willingness and ability to service its debts has been undermined and default "is imminent.


The declaration of default is just a formality when a third party freezes your assets.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4740 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-14 20:01:33
March 14 2022 18:59 GMT
#1005
I wonder. Can the frozen Russian assets be seized and used to repay lenders?
Pathetic Greta hater.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
March 14 2022 19:14 GMT
#1006
On March 15 2022 03:59 Silvanel wrote:
I wonder. Can the frozen Russian assets be sized and used to repay lenders?


Maybe during summer, or after putting them into a microwave.

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no, you need two consenting sides for a contract
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 14 2022 19:43 GMT
#1007
Apparently the woman's father is Ukrainian, insanely brave. Wonder how many people saw that.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43459 Posts
March 14 2022 19:45 GMT
#1008
On March 15 2022 04:14 Vivax wrote:
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On March 15 2022 03:59 Silvanel wrote:
I wonder. Can the frozen Russian assets be sized and used to repay lenders?


Maybe during summer, or after putting them into a microwave.

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no, you need two consenting sides for a contract

They could be. This isn’t contract law, this is sovereign power. Nobody consented to the assets being frozen in the first place. However convention is that asset freezes not turn into seizures. Changing that would make some dictators very unhappy and nobody wants that.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
March 14 2022 19:47 GMT
#1009
On March 15 2022 03:51 KwarK wrote:
Sovereign bond borrowers are dumb and have short memories anyway. Argentina defaults, offers new bonds, then defaults on those as an annual tradition. They still find people stupid enough to buy some.


You forgot the FMI. I'm always amazed anyone would lend any money to the Argentinian government or consider the Argentinian peso a legitimate currency.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-14 20:03:08
March 14 2022 20:02 GMT
#1010
So if China does go forward with an alliance with Russia, what can other countries reasonably do, given that China supplies the entire world with most everything?
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
March 14 2022 20:22 GMT
#1011
On March 15 2022 04:45 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2022 04:14 Vivax wrote:
On March 15 2022 03:59 Silvanel wrote:
I wonder. Can the frozen Russian assets be sized and used to repay lenders?


Maybe during summer, or after putting them into a microwave.

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no, you need two consenting sides for a contract

They could be. This isn’t contract law, this is sovereign power. Nobody consented to the assets being frozen in the first place. However convention is that asset freezes not turn into seizures. Changing that would make some dictators very unhappy and nobody wants that.


Well good luck seizing Russian gold in Russia, FX are probably on a computer in the central bank. Italian and French govs have seized random billionaires yachts so the seizures already happened, but they won't get accredited as payment.

Can't wait for Austria to decide it wants South Tyrol back and disown me cause I have both citizenships if this is the new moral standard around here.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17605 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-14 20:43:20
March 14 2022 20:38 GMT
#1012
Just to finish the off-topic discussions regarding China and their attempts/excuses for annexing other territories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Tibet_controversy

Taiwan might come under China's attack within the next 30 years (that's why US is handing them F16's). Also, Taiwan IS China. That's where the original government fled during the communist revolution, taking most of their heritage and historical artifacts with them so basically Taiwan is the original Chinese culture from before Mao's revolution (and that's the primary reason why China wants to annex it, because it has legitimate claims to undermine CCP rule, don't forget that it was Taiwan that was representing China at the international forums up until 1971).

And now back to Russia/Ukraine:

Does anyone think that if Ukraine can break Russia's attack and force them to retreat there's a chance they might also retake Crimea? That would most likely be the final blow to Putin's dreams of conquest and power as it would pretty much undo everything he did in the past 10 years and shatter his image.

On March 15 2022 05:02 plasmidghost wrote:
So if China does go forward with an alliance with Russia, what can other countries reasonably do, given that China supplies the entire world with most everything?


China doesn't supply the entire world with most everything. A lot of big brands have their production centers there but even now it's been minimized due to COVID and power problems making Chinese manufacturers not able to deliver the goods so some production has been moved elsewhere already.

Sure, this would probably affect some big clothing brands, Apple etc. but would most likely have no effect on smaller local brands that would simply take over the parts of market left by big brands not being able to supply.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9267 Posts
March 14 2022 20:53 GMT
#1013
This war is full of surprises but I really can't imagine Ukraine taking Sevastopol by force.
You're now breathing manually
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18185 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-14 21:32:03
March 14 2022 21:30 GMT
#1014
On March 15 2022 05:53 Sent. wrote:
This war is full of surprises but I really can't imagine Ukraine taking Sevastopol by force.

Not sure they need to. If they actually push Russia all the way back, they can do a pretty traditional siege. Sevastopol can surrender or run out of water. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Russia throws "tactical" nukes on Kyiv before letting that happen.

Also, just to be clear, I don't think Ukraine has the strength to do much more than turn this into a long dreary stalemate in their own cities...
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
March 14 2022 22:11 GMT
#1015
Militarily the best Ukraine can do is fight the Russians to a draw and force them to concede back to the original borders, POSSIBLY losing Donbas. There's no chance the Ukrainians can actually go on the offensive. They'd need another ally and NATO isn't about to trigger World War 3 by mounting an offensive on Russian controlled territory.

Putin can't realistically hold onto Crimea anyway without water. At some point the population there will get fed up and demand either independence or to rejoin Ukraine. What Russia does then is something I don't have any predictions on.
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-14 22:16:37
March 14 2022 22:13 GMT
#1016
Can't see any good reason why should China risk their position choosing to side with Russia over united West in a current situation, especially considering possible economic consequences.

And I have a question to our chinese TLers, why do you guys refer to a 700 y/o history/heritage exactly? The history goes way deeper. I can see how it can be sold as a "reasonable" basis with the "help" of your education system, but still, it sounds way too off. What if you pick a period 2000 years ago, who was the master of the lands back days? We may continue the same argument until dinosaurs were alive, that's just an absurd. It's better to let the people to decide what they want on their own and not to try to "liberate" them.

In regards to Crimea, there is no point trying to take it by force anyway, the price is too high, as soon as the war ends they'll find themselves in a harsh economic reality and will gladly vote to come back to Ukraine which will be very close to joining EU and will be flooded with money/investments for restoration purposes. Besides, afaik most of the smartass people who still lives in Crimea saved their ukrainian passports (just in case). The same may be applied to LDNR.

One more interesting thing about Crimea is that most of the families and relatives of FSB agents were evacuated already, and there are many residential houses were placed on a sale during the last week, I wonder where it goes.

Meanwhile Kharkiv is shelled and bombarded once again. Apart from the usual shelling of civil district of Saltivka (the nothern part of the district is practically leveled) orks decided to damage more civil buildings across the city. The central zoo was damaged, Karazin National University was slightly damaged, and the city historical downtown was hit by a mid-range rocket (Iskander missle). The latest shelling was targeting residential buildings in Gagarin (yes yes, it was named after Yuri Gagarin) district, based on recordinga looks like a missle strike as well. Needless to say there was 0 military presence in any of those places.

And keep in mind that both Mariupol and Kharkiv are mostly russian speaking cities, so the narrative about saving russian speaking people is just a blantant lie. Both cities suffered the most damage so far, Mariupol is probably in the worst possible conditions, since it's much lesser in size...

P.S.

The Central market (very close to the center of the city) was just shelled by grads, now it's no fire and it's about 600-700 meters away from our residential bulding where my mom and grandmom lives atm.
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Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
March 14 2022 22:33 GMT
#1017
I saw the story of the FSB agents being evacuated/houses suddenly on the market in Crimea story in some twitter feeds that I'd consider reliable. The story seems plausible enough anyways. How does its credibility look/sound like from where your getting the info from Dav1oN? Like it could still be something else too, than an outright evacuation.
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_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands680 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-14 22:39:03
March 14 2022 22:35 GMT
#1018
On March 15 2022 04:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Apparently the woman's father is Ukrainian, insanely brave. Wonder how many people saw that.

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1503445657805373446


Last time something like this happened (news readers protesting on live tv) was when the old Sovjet Union fell apart, says Dutch reporter. Let's hope it swings peoples opinion in the right direction
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria835 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-14 22:57:57
March 14 2022 22:46 GMT
#1019
Argument that this belonged to us X decades ago "so it's rightfully ours" is so bad, imagine if we go back a few centuries. E.g. Bulgaria back in X century or all other countries on this map claiming x, y, z belong to them. This is World War 3 easy. :D

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In short, Putin is yet another dictator like Hitler and Stalin. He is a strawman, looking for any excuse to invade, so we probably shouldn't debate land disputes as it's a waste of time.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6801 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-14 23:02:32
March 14 2022 22:58 GMT
#1020
Manit0u
Does anyone think that if Ukraine can break Russia's attack and force them to retreat there's a chance they might also retake Crimea? That would most likely be the final blow to Putin's dreams of conquest and power as it would pretty much undo everything he did in the past 10 years and shatter his image.


I remember watching the news and see shit like.Ukraine is done. Russia will take it in 2-3 days.Then i see the news Putin called the chechens. Turns out one of the most dangerous generals was taken out in the first fight.Chechens took the L.

Anyway news/media maybe are not always telling us the truth or the most accurate thing.

Now they saying Russia is asking China for help ? When in theory Russia is maybe the third most powerful army in the world ?

So who knows if Russian army and ukranien army actually at some point decide enough is enough and they kick Putin ass.

The reality is that a Country is being destroyed by a single man decission and no one cant do shit. OTAN/ONU. Didnt Russia bombarded close to 30 km from Otan border(Poland) already ? Im pretty sure if that was the case in USA. Something like 200km They will be striking like crazy. Remember how Trump striked in Syria cuz her daughter showed him kids dying etc ? Call me crazy but this is way worse.
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