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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
March 15 2022 10:06 GMT
#1041
I wonder what is happening to Russians that are now stuck in Ukraine.
Are they being viewed suspiciously by the native Ukrainians? How about dual nationals?
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[JXSA].Zergling
Profile Joined July 2020
China186 Posts
March 15 2022 13:03 GMT
#1042
The Uygur population was 8.4 million in 2000, 10 million in 2010 and 12 million in 2020.
The Uighur population is now the second most populous ethnic group in China. Where can we conclude that China has committed genocide and female sterilization against the Uighur? Uighur education implements bilingual education. Uighur language and Chinese are used at the same time. Is it wrong for Chinese to learn their own minority language and official language at the same time?
The BBC often falsely publicizes and reports false news about China. I think this is very sad. As a media, what we must do is to be objective. The factories where Uighurs work are publicized by the BBC as concentration camps. They make up false news by taking some photos, or interview some separatists as their reporting materials.
The Chinese government now has various problems, but there is absolutely no genocide against Uighurs. I really hope people who don't know China can come to China and have a look in person, or ask foreigners who have lived in China for a long time for their true and objective views.

This topic has been said too far. I'm sorry. Please go back to Ukraine and Russia.

User was temp banned for this post.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 15 2022 13:12 GMT
#1043
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 15 2022 13:47 GMT
#1044
There are numerous ways this can go wrong very quickly.



User was warned for this post.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-15 14:00:12
March 15 2022 13:55 GMT
#1045
On March 15 2022 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
There are numerous ways this can go wrong very quickly.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1503725201481211905


Not gonna lie, would be kinda funny if they got a rifle handed to them and ended up on the front lines.
How are they gonna show support otherwise? Waving flags?Stripteases?

On March 15 2022 19:06 gobbledydook wrote:
I wonder what is happening to Russians that are now stuck in Ukraine.
Are they being viewed suspiciously by the native Ukrainians? How about dual nationals?


They're mostly in their own regions/cities. That's how this whole thing started with my limited understanding.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 15 2022 14:02 GMT
#1046
On March 15 2022 22:55 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2022 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
There are numerous ways this can go wrong very quickly.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1503725201481211905


Not gonna lie, would be kinda funny if they got a rifle handed to them and ended up on the front lines.
How are they gonna show support otherwise? Waving flags?Stripteases?

Handshaking, selfies, talks, promises and saying they will not support creating the NFZ or sending any army into the conflict.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
March 15 2022 14:07 GMT
#1047
On March 15 2022 23:02 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2022 22:55 Vivax wrote:
On March 15 2022 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
There are numerous ways this can go wrong very quickly.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1503725201481211905


Not gonna lie, would be kinda funny if they got a rifle handed to them and ended up on the front lines.
How are they gonna show support otherwise? Waving flags?Stripteases?

Handshaking, selfies, talks, promises and saying they will not support creating the NFZ or sending any army into the conflict.


That'll help!

Unlucky day too if you're superstitious, today's the ides of march.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 15 2022 14:10 GMT
#1048
On March 15 2022 23:07 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2022 23:02 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 15 2022 22:55 Vivax wrote:
On March 15 2022 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
There are numerous ways this can go wrong very quickly.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1503725201481211905


Not gonna lie, would be kinda funny if they got a rifle handed to them and ended up on the front lines.
How are they gonna show support otherwise? Waving flags?Stripteases?

Handshaking, selfies, talks, promises and saying they will not support creating the NFZ or sending any army into the conflict.


That'll help!

Unlucky day too if you're superstitious, today's the ides of march.

Well, on the brider side of the things Slovakian PM has some good news

PRAGUE -- Slovak authorities have broken a Russian spying network that was operating on Slovak territory, officials said on Tuesday.

“We’re talking about serious cases,” Lipsic said. “It’s about a long term, paid cooperation with the Russian military intelligence service" (known as GRU).

The two are accused of seeking out and gathering highly sensitive, strategic and classified information about Slovakia, its armed forces and NATO and handed them over to undercover GRU officers who were based at the Russian Embassy in the Slovak capital, Bratislava, in exchange for money, Hamran said. He said such a case has not been known in Slovakia before.


One of the two charged men was pro-rector and the head of the Security and Defense Department at the Armed Forces Academy in the northern town of Liptovsky Mikulas. The officials identified him as Pavel B., and said he had secret contacts with four GRU officers dating to 2013.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/slovaks-charge-spying-russias-military-service-83454193

Damn, this was hard to find in English, our media went crazy over this.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
March 15 2022 14:17 GMT
#1049
On March 15 2022 23:10 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2022 23:07 Vivax wrote:
On March 15 2022 23:02 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 15 2022 22:55 Vivax wrote:
On March 15 2022 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
There are numerous ways this can go wrong very quickly.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1503725201481211905


Not gonna lie, would be kinda funny if they got a rifle handed to them and ended up on the front lines.
How are they gonna show support otherwise? Waving flags?Stripteases?

Handshaking, selfies, talks, promises and saying they will not support creating the NFZ or sending any army into the conflict.


That'll help!

Unlucky day too if you're superstitious, today's the ides of march.

Well, on the brider side of the things Slovakian PM has some good news
Show nested quote +

PRAGUE -- Slovak authorities have broken a Russian spying network that was operating on Slovak territory, officials said on Tuesday.

“We’re talking about serious cases,” Lipsic said. “It’s about a long term, paid cooperation with the Russian military intelligence service" (known as GRU).

The two are accused of seeking out and gathering highly sensitive, strategic and classified information about Slovakia, its armed forces and NATO and handed them over to undercover GRU officers who were based at the Russian Embassy in the Slovak capital, Bratislava, in exchange for money, Hamran said. He said such a case has not been known in Slovakia before.


One of the two charged men was pro-rector and the head of the Security and Defense Department at the Armed Forces Academy in the northern town of Liptovsky Mikulas. The officials identified him as Pavel B., and said he had secret contacts with four GRU officers dating to 2013.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/slovaks-charge-spying-russias-military-service-83454193

Damn, this was hard to find in English, our media went crazy over this.

I wouldn't be surprised if certain people around our president were soon charged with espionage too.
BW
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 15 2022 14:38 GMT
#1050
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 15 2022 14:58 GMT
#1051
On March 15 2022 23:17 Amanebak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2022 23:10 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 15 2022 23:07 Vivax wrote:
On March 15 2022 23:02 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 15 2022 22:55 Vivax wrote:
On March 15 2022 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
There are numerous ways this can go wrong very quickly.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1503725201481211905


Not gonna lie, would be kinda funny if they got a rifle handed to them and ended up on the front lines.
How are they gonna show support otherwise? Waving flags?Stripteases?

Handshaking, selfies, talks, promises and saying they will not support creating the NFZ or sending any army into the conflict.


That'll help!

Unlucky day too if you're superstitious, today's the ides of march.

Well, on the brider side of the things Slovakian PM has some good news

PRAGUE -- Slovak authorities have broken a Russian spying network that was operating on Slovak territory, officials said on Tuesday.

“We’re talking about serious cases,” Lipsic said. “It’s about a long term, paid cooperation with the Russian military intelligence service" (known as GRU).

The two are accused of seeking out and gathering highly sensitive, strategic and classified information about Slovakia, its armed forces and NATO and handed them over to undercover GRU officers who were based at the Russian Embassy in the Slovak capital, Bratislava, in exchange for money, Hamran said. He said such a case has not been known in Slovakia before.


One of the two charged men was pro-rector and the head of the Security and Defense Department at the Armed Forces Academy in the northern town of Liptovsky Mikulas. The officials identified him as Pavel B., and said he had secret contacts with four GRU officers dating to 2013.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/slovaks-charge-spying-russias-military-service-83454193

Damn, this was hard to find in English, our media went crazy over this.

I wouldn't be surprised if certain people around our president were soon charged with espionage too.

Well, that would be actually a big security fail considering the people have security clearance in various degrees and were at least once checked by the National security institute(NBU)
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9267 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-15 16:26:45
March 15 2022 16:24 GMT
#1052
On March 15 2022 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
There are numerous ways this can go wrong very quickly.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1503725201481211905


This is a repeat of the stunt Polish, Ukrainian and Baltic leaders performed during the Russo-Georgian war in 2008 when they flew to Tbilisi to show support for Georgia while the Russian troops were more or less as close to the city as they are close to Kyiv now. Iirc this was well received both in Georgia and in Poland.

I don't think Zelensky will mind that they're going there with only verbal support. Maybe he'll complain about the lack of direct involvement of the West in general without singling anyone out.
You're now breathing manually
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
March 15 2022 17:43 GMT
#1053
Would anyone be able to enlighten me or speculate on what this meeting could accomplish? I imagine that it could be more sanctions, but am curious about anything else

Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 15 2022 17:49 GMT
#1054
On March 16 2022 02:43 plasmidghost wrote:
Would anyone be able to enlighten me or speculate on what this meeting could accomplish? I imagine that it could be more sanctions, but am curious about anything else

https://twitter.com/USNATO/status/1503778365442043914


To show unity.

Wondering how her legacy is going to be remembered, seeing how it was her leadership that seems to have kept Germany blissfully ignorant of Russia's intentions while her allies were warning her. That and pumping Russia full of money.

With Vladimir Putin’s unprovoked attack against Ukraine, political analysts are now reassessing the long and deeply complicated relationship the Russian leader had with ex-German Chancellor Angela Merkel, and how Moscow came to hold so much sway over the rest of Europe.

The former German leader was known for speaking Russian and keeping diplomatic ties with Putin. It was also during her term that Germany stepped up its energy links to Moscow and kept its national defense spending to a minimum.

But, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has now led to a dramatic shift in German politics.

New Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s “forceful policy shifts is a firm repudiation of the core of Merkel’s foreign economic policy,” Jacob Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund think tank, told CNBC via email.

“Germany’s foreign economic policy is no longer predicated on ‘Russia being a stability oriented actor,’ but instead an aggressive imperialist power,” Kirkegaard added.

Scholz announced a halt on the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline after Russia’s first military moves into two breakaway regions of Ukraine in late February. Nord Stream 2, which started being built in 2018 during Merkel’s chancellorship, is seen as a controversial project which was meant to bring additional gas from Russia to Germany via the Baltic Sea, circumnavigating counties like Ukraine and Poland.

Merkel’s “big failure” was not reversing those economic links and energy projects in the wake of Moscow’s illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014, said Daniela Schwarzer, executive director for Europe and Eurasia at the Open Society Foundations think tank.

In fact, Merkel kept her backing for the gas pipeline in place, despite concerns from Ukraine and other countries, notably the U.S. The German chancellery was not immediately available for comment when contacted by CNBC Monday.

Germany’s gas imports from Russia amounted to around 36% of its total in 2010, which rose to a roughly 65% share by 2020, according to figures from Eurostat.

Alberto Alemanno, a professor of EU law at H.E.C. Paris Business School, said: “No other country has downplayed Russia’s rebellious stance towards the world order as Merkel’s Germany.”

“It is Nord Stream 2 which epitomizes Merkel’s appeasement approach towards Russia, to the point of embodying today all what was wrong with Germany’s stance towards Russia. By establishing an unnecessary relationship of interdependence with Vladimir Putin, Merkel’s Germany made him stronger while weakening the whole of Europe and NATO,” Alemanno added.

Scholz initially appeared careful with his stance toward Nord Stream 2 since he took power in December. However, as tensions with Russia worsened, he announced a halt on the certification of the pipeline as many political analysts had been expecting.

More recently, as Russia advanced its invasion of Ukraine, Scholz said Berlin would be sending weapons to Ukraine and would be stepping up government investments on defense. The move signaled a major shift in a German defense policy that’s been in place since the end of World War II that prevented the exporting of locally made weapons to conflict zones.

“Merkel underspent,” Schwarzer said, both toward NATO and the EU. “Part of the [new] money is not a new strategy, but the recognition that we need to do more,” she said, noting that the German army is “in a bad shape.”


Source
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43458 Posts
March 15 2022 17:58 GMT
#1055
Merkel bet on rational mutual self interest. Russia plays by the rules and Germany makes them very rich. Germany overlooks Putin’s excesses within Russia and Russia gives Germany cheap gas.

It wasn’t an unreasonable bet but obviously they’re both losers now.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
March 15 2022 18:02 GMT
#1056
I think most politicians are compared to their counter parts at their time. She is probably pretty safe there, when getting paired against the likes of Bush, Johnson and Trump...
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6261 Posts
March 15 2022 18:15 GMT
#1057
Germany also has a large amount of Putin apologists of which some are in the centre left SPD (and the extremes of course but that's the case almost everywhere). It's easy to blame Merkel but it's not a given that an alternative SPD chancellor would've been any tougher on Putin.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22047 Posts
March 15 2022 18:21 GMT
#1058
After Crimea yes, you have a point with being critical of Merkels actions towards Russia, but before that I don't think anyone was expecting Russia to aggressively expand West.

Heck 3 weeks ago many people didn't think a full scale invasion was actually going to happen.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 15 2022 18:26 GMT
#1059
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
March 15 2022 18:37 GMT
#1060
On March 16 2022 03:21 Gorsameth wrote:
After Crimea yes, you have a point with being critical of Merkels actions towards Russia, but before that I don't think anyone was expecting Russia to aggressively expand West.

Heck 3 weeks ago many people didn't think a full scale invasion was actually going to happen.


MOST people didn't think an invasion was going to happen. Even Putin's own cabinet, actually ESPECIALLY Putin's own cabinet didn't think a full scale invasion was going to happen. Their army clearly wasn't prepared for it.

Honestly, I think the stories about COVID messing with Putin's head have some merit. The dude has gone from Bond Villain to neurotic sociopath in only about a year and a half.
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