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KwarK
United States43964 Posts
Not that it’ll matter, he won’t become the new president unless he has a series of important allies that he hasn’t yet revealed. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
1.- Wegner was in Ukraine helping Russia. He constantly talked shit about Russia but his words are one thing and actions another and his actions were pro Russia in every step. 2.-Wegner said Russia attacked them for some reason and both nato and Russia said that didn’t appear to be the case and that the attack seemed to be staged. 3.- now supposedly they are already in Russia and marching towards Moscú? How did they get there so fast? And to get to Russia they need to pass through all of the Donbas and all the Russian military, minefield etc that are in that region. - Also the Wedgner group doesn’t have a big military. They were almost wiped out at the start of the war and had to also recruit criminals. Russian army is much bigger. It would be suicide. There’s something extremely weird in all this. It literally doesn’t make any sense. Where is Zeo when you need it? I would like to know what biased pro Russians news are saying about this | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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KwarK
United States43964 Posts
They withdrew from the front a month ago and were staged near Rostov. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22298 Posts
On June 24 2023 23:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Russia refusing a CSTO call earlier in the year is coming back to bite them in the arse.Supposedly Iran basically said the same thing saying it was a Russian domestic matter. https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1672550303785271296 | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6272 Posts
On June 24 2023 23:24 [Phantom] wrote: This doesn’t make any sense. I know many here want Russia to lose (so do I) but this is super suspect. 1.- Wegner was in Ukraine helping Russia. He constantly talked shit about Russia but his words are one thing and actions another and his actions were pro Russia in every step. 2.-Wegner said Russia attacked them for some reason and both nato and Russia said that didn’t appear to be the case and that the attack seemed to be staged. 3.- now supposedly they are already in Russia and marching towards Moscú? How did they get there so fast? And to get to Russia they need to pass through all of the Donbas and all the Russian military, minefield etc that are in that region. - Also the Wedgner group doesn’t have a big military. They were almost wiped out at the start of the war and had to also recruit criminals. Russian army is much bigger. It would be suicide. There’s something extremely weird in all this. It literally doesn’t make any sense. Where is Zeo when you need it? I would like to know what biased pro Russians news are saying about this It's not suspect. Prighozin saw the writing on the wall that he'd be next on the chopping block and took matters into his own hand. Putin could never drop Shoigu and Gerasimiv at this point because it would look like Prighozin is in charge instead of Putin. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22298 Posts
On June 24 2023 23:24 [Phantom] wrote: A false flag/fake doesn't make sense to me. Putin could not look any weaker then this if he tried. A rogue russian PMC is rapidly advancing on Moscow and is apparently hours away from the city. This doesn’t make any sense. I know many here want Russia to lose (so do I) but this is super suspect. 1.- Wegner was in Ukraine helping Russia. He constantly talked shit about Russia but his words are one thing and actions another and his actions were pro Russia in every step. 2.-Wegner said Russia attacked them for some reason and both nato and Russia said that didn’t appear to be the case and that the attack seemed to be staged. 3.- now supposedly they are already in Russia and marching towards Moscú? How did they get there so fast? And to get to Russia they need to pass through all of the Donbas and all the Russian military, minefield etc that are in that region. - Also the Wedgner group doesn’t have a big military. They were almost wiped out at the start of the war and had to also recruit criminals. Russian army is much bigger. It would be suicide. There’s something extremely weird in all this. It literally doesn’t make any sense. Where is Zeo when you need it? I would like to know what biased pro Russians news are saying about this And this isn't going to trick Ukraine either. Military command doesn't base strategy off of tiktok videos. They have actual intelligence including both US and EU agencies. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22298 Posts
On June 24 2023 23:37 JimmiC wrote: As a low paid random internal security guy who is just really happy he isn't in Ukraine getting shelled. Will you stand in front of an armoured advance of seasoned soldiers and tell them to stop?The lack of any resistance is shocking . And that most of the “news” is coming from one of the main actors who is known for honesty makes are the report’s questionable. It is crazy to think how few people in the world actually know what is going on. All the actual military is on the other side, in Ukraine. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5806 Posts
On June 24 2023 23:24 [Phantom] wrote: This doesn’t make any sense. I know many here want Russia to lose (so do I) but this is super suspect. 1.- Wegner was in Ukraine helping Russia. He constantly talked shit about Russia but his words are one thing and actions another and his actions were pro Russia in every step. 2.-Wegner said Russia attacked them for some reason and both nato and Russia said that didn’t appear to be the case and that the attack seemed to be staged. 3.- now supposedly they are already in Russia and marching towards Moscú? How did they get there so fast? And to get to Russia they need to pass through all of the Donbas and all the Russian military, minefield etc that are in that region. - Also the Wedgner group doesn’t have a big military. They were almost wiped out at the start of the war and had to also recruit criminals. Russian army is much bigger. It would be suicide. There’s something extremely weird in all this. It literally doesn’t make any sense. Where is Zeo when you need it? I would like to know what biased pro Russians news are saying about this Prigozhin has always been pro-himself. There were rumours that forcing Wagner (and other PMCs) to sign contracts with Russia's MoD was the first step towards getting rid of Prigozhin. This would be his pre-emptive strike. Russia likes to pretend its naked aggression has legitimacy. They often stage idiotic false flag operations or create theories like the biolabs as a justification. Wagner has estimated 15-25k troops. There are two types of Wagner mercenaries: professional soldiers and prison cannon fodder. Their casualties consisted mostly of the latter. It's possible they lied about the extent of their casualties in general or maybe the proportions. As for Russia, according to NATO estimates, Russia deployed around 90-97% of its combat-ready army in Ukraine. They don't have much reserves protecting Moscow. So it's 15-25k seasoned Wagner troops + defectors vs. police/national guard/Chechens. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
On June 24 2023 23:39 Gorsameth wrote: A false flag/fake doesn't make sense to me. Putin could not look any weaker then this if he tried. A rogue russian PMC is rapidly advancing on Moscow and is apparently hours away from the city. And this isn't going to trick Ukraine either. Military command doesn't base strategy off of tiktok videos. They have actual intelligence including both US and EU agencies. Hour away from the city without any resistance. Like I said the guy was in unkraine in the front lines. How does he get there so fast because it’s not only him, it’s his army. And infantry, tanks etc takes a lot of time to move. And you can clearly see it and prepare for it… And yet he faces no resistance? People in this thread are cheering because they think it’s because even Russian soldiers support it. Is that really it? You’d think at least some people would support Putin and not some traitors. The fact that there hasn’t been resistance makes this all the more suspicious for me. Maybe it’s just an excuse to end the war. They were saying a couple of weeks ago they got their objective of liberating Ukraine from Nazis. I don’t know but try to look at this objectively and not from a “I really want russia to lose” perspective and it’s super weird. And again for what is worth I Do want Russia to lose | ||
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
The BBC Russia has reported evacuations of public buildings across Moscow as the Wagner rebels advance. The broadcaster said Museums near the Kremlin are being evacuated in Moscow. There have been reports over the last few hours of the evacuation of the Tretyakov Gallery, the Pushkin Museum and the GES-2 House of Culture, the BBC added. The Mega Belaya Dacha shopping center and the Kvartal shopping center were also evacuated in Moscow, they said. Source This starts to feel real... | ||
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KwarK
United States43964 Posts
On June 24 2023 23:46 [Phantom] wrote: Hour away from the city without any resistance. Like I said the guy was in unkraine in the front lines. A month ago. Since then he’s been in Rostov. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Some airforce activity against them but no major action it seems. And no ground force resistance at all besides several barricades that were not defended and pushed aside. As far as I understand it there was one push to Rostov where they are trying to control the city, and there is a seperate push north bee-lining straight to Moscow without controlling much of the cities/surroundings, just trying to get as much panic in Moscow fast before a military response is consolidated. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Once your at that point they are going to be coming up against small amounts of Russian forces which probably don't stand a chance against 25k troops, so they let Wagner through or join to avoid death and now Russia is scrambling to get a big enough force to Moscow which won't just get rolled over. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On June 24 2023 23:24 [Phantom] wrote: This doesn’t make any sense. I know many here want Russia to lose (so do I) but this is super suspect. 1.- Wegner was in Ukraine helping Russia. He constantly talked shit about Russia but his words are one thing and actions another and his actions were pro Russia in every step. 2.-Wegner said Russia attacked them for some reason and both nato and Russia said that didn’t appear to be the case and that the attack seemed to be staged. 3.- now supposedly they are already in Russia and marching towards Moscú? How did they get there so fast? And to get to Russia they need to pass through all of the Donbas and all the Russian military, minefield etc that are in that region. - Also the Wedgner group doesn’t have a big military. They were almost wiped out at the start of the war and had to also recruit criminals. Russian army is much bigger. It would be suicide. There’s something extremely weird in all this. It literally doesn’t make any sense. Where is Zeo when you need it? I would like to know what biased pro Russians news are saying about this 1. Prigozhin deceived Putin, so the fact that his past actions don't match his actions now is self-explanatory. All warfare is about deception, i.e. you're headed one way while you make it look like you're headed another way. So this contradiction makes perfect sense. 2. A false flag. Prigozhin needed a triggering event and he got it. Whether he staged it or not is a question no one can answer, but if he did stage it that would make perfect sense. 3. Roads are easy to travel, and Russia has virtually no defenses set up inside most of Russia. This is why Putin has been using the nuclear deterrent, because he's been very afraid of Ukraine invading Russia, as that would likely speed up his defeat. Russia is only strong in Ukraine as long as the massive gaps inside Russia's borders aren't being exposed. Prigozhin used this fact to his advantage, that's why Wagner is advancing so rapidly. Yes, Prigozhin is indeed in a way committing suicide, because I doubt he wanted to send Wagner into Moscow. But what choice does he have left? Any alternatives that don't involve him getting assassinated when he's no longer convenient to Putin? | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5806 Posts
On June 24 2023 23:46 [Phantom] wrote: Hour away from the city without any resistance. Like I said the guy was in unkraine in the front lines. How does he get there so fast because it’s not only him, it’s his army. And infantry, tanks etc takes a lot of time to move. And you can clearly see it and prepare for it… And yet he faces no resistance? People in this thread are cheering because they think it’s because even Russian soldiers support it. Is that really it? You’d think at least some people would support Putin and not some traitors. The fact that there hasn’t been resistance makes this all the more suspicious for me. Maybe it’s just an excuse to end the war. They were saying a couple of weeks ago they got their objective of liberating Ukraine from Nazis. I don’t know but try to look at this objectively and not from a “I really want russia to lose” perspective and it’s super weird. And again for what is worth I Do want Russia to lose I think you're just underestimating what portion of their troops Russia has deployed in Ukraine. It's nearly all deployable troops. There is little resistance because there is hardly anyone to resist. Plus Prigozhin is quite popular with the rank-and-file soldiers. He's seen as more competent and more caring (aside from using his prisoner troops as cannon fodder). | ||
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KwarK
United States43964 Posts
On June 24 2023 23:44 maybenexttime wrote: So it's 15-25k seasoned Wagner troops + defectors vs. police/national guard/Chechens. And Wagner opened by looting the largest military stockpile in Rostov. That’s where the materiel needed to resist them would have been stored. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32747 Posts
-Russian mines & other obstacles are still in the ground. -Russian troops are still in defensive positions & they likely don't know what's going on. -Yes, Russian forces are moving - reinforcing holes left by Wagner - but it will take UAF time to determine the new weak spots. 2/3 [Source] The actions are causing chaos in Russia, but UAF must remain professional to prevent unnecessary Ukrainian casualties. All is good right now for Ukraine. Not so much for Russia. Today will be interesting. 3/3 | ||
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