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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2914 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
Financial markets are also reacting Maybe am a bit too optimistic, but the signs of the collapse of the bloody regime are there, all things considered | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria908 Posts
On June 24 2023 20:18 Dav1oN wrote: Some people in twitter are noticing a stream of private jets moving from Moscow to Turkey direction Financial markets are also reacting Maybe am a bit too optimistic, but the signs of the collapse of the bloody regime are there, all things considered I'm not sure about this, both Prigozhin and Putin are criminals. Hoping one would be better than the other is pointless. Has Russia ever had a reasonable leader since their communist times? I don't think so. I expect more of the same. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On June 24 2023 20:42 SC-Shield wrote: I'm not sure about this, both Prigozhin and Putin are criminals. Hoping one would be better than the other is pointless. Has Russia ever had a reasonable leader since their communist times? I don't think so. I expect more of the same. Not that I'm old enough to remember, so I'm sure someone is going to counter with a baby-eating case I haven't caught on to, but Gorbachev seemed like the most reasonable leader USSR had, at least in terms of personal freedom, approachable international politics, and being responsible for ending the cold war. I'm not sure he can single handedly be blamed for the collapse of the USSR either, as it was his approach to increased democracy that made the dominos start falling | ||
KwarK
United States44450 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
"Our BBC Verify team has verified a video showing a Wagner convoy of armed vehicles travelling on the M4 motorway, which links Voronezh and Moscow through the region of Lipetsk. As we've mentioned, the governor of the Lipetsk region has asked residents to stay home and avoid travelling, either with public vehicles or on public transport. Regional authorities in Lipetsk have said that all bus services in the region are cancelled until further notice." Also some reports a presidential plane (maybe Putin) has fled to St Petersburg | ||
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0x64
Finland4659 Posts
Navalny was Ned stark. Ukraine is Dorne. (hmm can't think of a better one, Dorne was not really in war, but there was that duel with the mountain...) Wagner is the Second sons... Maybe there are even better parallels. | ||
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ZeroByte13
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On June 24 2023 20:58 Excludos wrote: Few people who were adults during Gorbachev's reign remember him as a good leader.Not that I'm old enough to remember, so I'm sure someone is going to counter with a baby-eating case I haven't caught on to, but Gorbachev seemed like the most reasonable leader USSR had Regardless of whether he did a lot of things right or not, situation in the country became turbulent while he was in power and then became even more turbulent right after - "crazy 90s" are called that for a reason. And people tend to attribute problems to whoever is in power at the moment unless those in power really try to redirect the responsibilty, aka "it's the West working against us" - which is something Gorbachev did NOT do at all. Which creates an obvious conclusion, right? It is all his fault then! I didn't even hear anything about Gorbachev destroying the great empire from most people, it was more in the vein of - we lived stable lives and then he came and it became very turbulent and not stable at all. A lot of people in 90s were sad USSR fell apart, but for most it wasn't because they lost "our big strong empire" - they lost stability which hits much closer to what's actually important for most people i.e. their personal life. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9256 Posts
I'm starting to think Wagner have a decent chance. This long, slow, unimpended march makes the authorities appear weak and they're also much better at the telegram/social media game. TV propaganda has worked wonders for authorities with the older and rural demographics but that's not what young men use for information. Wagner might even reach Moscow with more men than it started if authorities make the mistake of ordering small forces to try and stop them along the way. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28929 Posts
The Russian public's view of Khrushchev remains mixed. According to a major Russian pollster, the only eras of the 20th century that Russians in the 21st century evaluate positively are those under Nicholas II, and under Khrushchev. A poll in 1998 of young Russians found that they felt Nicholas II had done more good than harm, and all other 20th-century Russian leaders more harm than good—except Khrushchev, about whom they were evenly divided | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Then to add insult to injury what is trying to stem the Wagner forces? Chechens. In Western Russia. That will go over real well domestically. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7202 Posts
3 day march to Kiev turns into 3 day march to Moscow :D | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
On June 24 2023 21:45 Dan HH wrote: I question if Wagner would stand down if they meet actual opposition at the edge of Moscow, unless it is truly an overwhelming force.In a situation like this no one wants to shoot, everyone wants to just choose the side that appears stronger. It will probably be decided on the outskirts of Moscow not by all out fighting but by whether official authorities can mount a big enough show of force/loyalty there to make Wagner troops abandon. I'm starting to think Wagner have a decent chance. This long, slow, unimpended march makes the authorities appear weak and they're also much better at the telegram/social media game. TV propaganda has worked wonders for authorities with the older and rural demographics but that's not what young men use for information. Wagner might even reach Moscow with more men than it started if authorities make the mistake of ordering small forces to try and stop them along the way. Wagner are seasoned soldiers and they must know that an open coup and marching on Moscow against Putin is a death sentence. They have nothing to lose by fighting and are almost certainly dead if they stand down now. Once Putin made his speech and publicly declared them traitors this was a case of victory or death. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On June 24 2023 21:20 0x64 wrote: This has a bit of a game of throne feeling. Navalny was Ned stark. Ukraine is Dorne. (hmm can't think of a better one, Dorne was not really in war, but there was that duel with the mountain...) Wagner is the Second sons... Maybe there are even better parallels. It’s discount Caesar. 1. Commander becomes massively rich and popular waging an illegal war with his personal army loyal to him. 2. State begins to fear him and orders him to hand his army over to their command. 3. State orders him home to face charges. 4. Commander marches on the state. | ||
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