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On June 10 2023 00:24 JUSTMEBEASTN wrote: why wouldnt nato just say that and perhaps prevent war? even if it was an empty promise? perhaps NATO knows war makes money... and we could easily say NATO started this just as much as Russia. When you back a scared-cat into a corner they will fight back.
This is such a crazy logic leap. It's ridiculous. Nato started the war? Really? I'm sorry for using a strong wrod but ahat's a completely stupid sentence. It's objectively a stupid stament. It has 0 logic. I'm not insulting you. I'm stating an objective fact about what you said. That statement is ridiculous.
And how is russia a "scared cat backed into a corner"?
On June 10 2023 01:09 zeo wrote: Careful StealthBlue, you just posted an article from a pro-Ukrainian propaganda source using the term 'invaders' to denote Russian troops
How is invaders not an objective true term to denote Russian troops in Ukraine?
How are people in the world so delutional. This is eye opening, sad and scary.
On June 10 2023 01:09 zeo wrote: Careful StealthBlue, you just posted an article from a pro-Ukrainian propaganda source using the term 'invaders' to denote Russian troops as well as another article from... no one knows what a news18 is... implying also that Russia is to blame.
Certain users here are very sensitive to one-sided reporting, please keep this in mind for future posts
edit: @Magic Powers - sorry for jumping the gun with this one I hope you don't mind. You can tell the next one
Reporting on unfolding events isn't the same thing as debating the moral ins and outs.
If a pro-Russian user wants to speak favorably about Putin's Russia or paint the invasion as a legitimate war, I wouldn't be happy about it but I also wouldn't argue that they should voice pro-Ukrainian arguments to balance things out. That would be an absurd demand, because they've already made the decision to side with Russia.
Reports from the front on the other hand are more a part of the objective realm and therefore it's possible to report on gains and losses from both sides regardless of a moral bias. Even pro-Russian vloggers report on Russian losses, presumably because they're still somewhat in touch with reality.
What you've been doing resembles active propaganda more than anything else.
Reading your post reminds me of a quote from 1984: “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” ― George Orwell, 1984
Realistically, we lack about 95% of the information in this war, and that entire 95% is filled with speculation and who knows what comming from who knows where. Let's say someone announced that Ukraine is announcing the confiscation of the property of men who flee the mobilization, or Russian troops tried to bribe xyz or whatever and blew up the dam. These things may be true, but they are coming from a Twitter account that almost never links to its exclusives. They place someone's photo, say this person said this and that, anonymous source ect. ect. you start searching the net for that news and nothing comes up. And basically you know its propaganda and bullshit when a news outlet has 'could not independently verify the claim' anywhere in the article.
That's 95% of everything posted as news or opinion in this thread. Completely unverifiable narrative vomit. When you start having problems with physical, verifiable and documented events because they do not follow your narrative you need to sit down and have a very long think about why evidence of something happening bothers you so much. You need to ask yourself why you arn't being told that that thing happened and what else you are not being told.
Something happened, it was caught on camera. Its one of the few verifiable things that happened that we know of. When you start saying that something you see with your own eyes is propaganda yet something you have no evidence of is the truth you are just setting yourself up for a lot of disappointment.
While you think 95% of this war is in the fog, I think 95% of fog that you're seeing is self-imposed. I'm not the only one thinking this might be the most well-recorded war in all of history.
But that's not the point. Assuming you're right, the remaining 5% of accurate information would still be found from both sides, Russia and Ukraine. You're going out of your way to only post the reports that favor Russia. Even pro-Russian vloggers aren't selectively editing reality as zealously as you are.
On June 10 2023 01:09 zeo wrote: Careful StealthBlue, you just posted an article from a pro-Ukrainian propaganda source using the term 'invaders' to denote Russian troops as well as another article from... no one knows what a news18 is... implying also that Russia is to blame.
Certain users here are very sensitive to one-sided reporting, please keep this in mind for future posts
edit: @Magic Powers - sorry for jumping the gun with this one I hope you don't mind. You can tell the next one
Reporting on unfolding events isn't the same thing as debating the moral ins and outs.
If a pro-Russian user wants to speak favorably about Putin's Russia or paint the invasion as a legitimate war, I wouldn't be happy about it but I also wouldn't argue that they should voice pro-Ukrainian arguments to balance things out. That would be an absurd demand, because they've already made the decision to side with Russia.
Reports from the front on the other hand are more a part of the objective realm and therefore it's possible to report on gains and losses from both sides regardless of a moral bias. Even pro-Russian vloggers report on Russian losses, presumably because they're still somewhat in touch with reality.
What you've been doing resembles active propaganda more than anything else.
Reading your post reminds me of a quote from 1984: “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” ― George Orwell, 1984
Realistically, we lack about 95% of the information in this war, and that entire 95% is filled with speculation and who knows what comming from who knows where. Let's say someone announced that Ukraine is announcing the confiscation of the property of men who flee the mobilization, or Russian troops tried to bribe xyz or whatever and blew up the dam. These things may be true, but they are coming from a Twitter account that almost never links to its exclusives. They place someone's photo, say this person said this and that, anonymous source ect. ect. you start searching the net for that news and nothing comes up. And basically you know its propaganda and bullshit when a news outlet has 'could not independently verify the claim' anywhere in the article.
That's 95% of everything posted as news or opinion in this thread. Completely unverifiable narrative vomit. When you start having problems with physical, verifiable and documented events because they do not follow your narrative you need to sit down and have a very long think about why evidence of something happening bothers you so much. You need to ask yourself why you arn't being told that that thing happened and what else you are not being told. Then maybe, just maybe the thought come to that hey, maybe it wasnt just the Russians being lied to the whole time. Maybe you were being lied to as well.
Something happened, it was caught on camera. Its one of the few verifiable things that happened that we know of. When you start saying that something you see with your own eyes is propaganda yet something you have no evidence of is the truth you are just setting yourself up for a lot of disappointment.
This isn't the first time that you wrote a post that almost seems as if it is written in response to the bullshit you're saying, rather than by the person posting said bullshit.
Seriously, you should probably read the post you just wrote again and really have a think about why this is such a monumental feat of projection, because honestly it's crazy that you can't see it yourself.
On June 10 2023 02:09 KwarK wrote: One comparison I saw was that the German army successfully bottled the allies up in Normandy and held them for two months against increasing pressure until the German army broke, suddenly, and all at once. Both sides pour materiel and reserves into the fight and it appears that nothing happens except losses but eventually the losses cannot be replaced for one side.
Yeah, this is the gist of my thoughts right now. No one ever expects a line to break immediately. It will be interesting to see how things develop.
I can appear rich by spending $10,000 on dinner, but it doesn't mean I'll be able to spend $10,000 on dinner tomorrow lol
Wow, that first Tweet has a lot of disgusting replies on Twitter.
It must be extra-annoying to see Russia struggle for people who lean far right since one of the main attribute that attracts them is the projection of strength and superiority. The seething isn't about to stop.
Ukraine's troops made a significant advance in Velyka Novosilka similar in size to the one from a week ago near Vuhledar. Roughly the same region as last time.
I don't think we'll know for sure what's happening for a few more days. The Ukrainian side is quite tight lipped on details, so we're just seeing the Russian side.
On a slightly lighter hearted topic while we're waiting for more information to come out of Ukraine.
Fun, but also semi-educational look at the employment of drone dropped munitions.
A reminder that the in the area UAF is pushing the line of fortifications were not at the contact line. UAF is about halfway to the first line of defense with four settlements left to capture. Also reports suggest that Russia has not yet committed reserves.
So don't get to hyped up at the level of progress because it might slow down soon.
On the positive side there is not the same defense in depth as other areas so there is mainly one strong line to get through.
Wow, that first Tweet has a lot of disgusting replies on Twitter.
The 8$ blue-check mark completely ruined Twitter's comment section. There's an insane amount of far-right loons, pro-russians or onlyfans accounts as the top commenters.
Also, a word on the WarMonitors... I believe the original one is @WarMonitor3 who built a decent reputation as a UA-leaning OSINT account. Then came a bunch of copycats with other agendas, including WarMonitors.
Well, according to social media, Russia has started to deploy a majority of it's reserves to the Zaporizhzhia region to help defend against the Counteroffensive. Also that the Russian bulge has been completely surrounded by Ukraine.
Indeed another major advance by Ukraine's troops took place in the last 1-2 days in Zaporizhzhia. Although it's too early to celebrate, we should pay very close attention. There's quite a reasonable chance this could spiral out of control for Russia.
Correction: the advance was in the Donetsk region, close to the Zaporizhzhia oblast.
https://t.me/wargonzo/13210 Russian video showing from high altitude the deploying ang engaging AFU forces during the first day of offensive on Novodonetskoe. Dozens of advancing vehicles, with some of them being hit.
A perspective on the war from a drafted Russian lawyer from Moscow on leave.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/88838 Russian estimation on the main axis of Ukrainian offensive. Claims to be in the direction of Tokmak and Melitopol' with the force of eight brigades, which have around 200 tanks, 800 armored vehicles and 450 artillery and mortar pieces. This is the same direction, where destroyed/damaged Bradleys, Leopards and a bunch of mineclearing vehicles were observed.
A pity we don’t have any fun videos from Wehrmacht troops on leave from the siege of Leningrad. We could all enjoy their funny anecdotes.
The Ukrainians have discovered torture sites and executed civilian graves in every single city liberated from the Russians. The Russian media actively broadcasts an openly genocidal message of extermination of Ukrainians. I sincerely wish death on all Russian soldiers fighting on Ukrainian soil, though my preference would be that they surrender.
I'm not mad that you're posting the videos of their perspectives I guess, as you don't necessarily endorse them. I'm just mad that these people exist. I've probably watched a few too many episodes of that Ukrainian tv show where they bring a 70 year old to the destroyed shell of an apartment where their child, son/daughter-in-law, and grandkids used to live and see if they can identify the remains. It's a pretty fucked up show, even if they get it right they never seem happy about winning. And yet for some reason Russia keep creating new Ukrainian contestants every day.
On June 13 2023 20:53 Elroi wrote: I'm pretty sure that's a propaganda video, Ardias. I could be wrong - reality imitates media, after all - but that looks super scripted to me.
Certainly propaganda (there are many worse cases than this), but also revealing. For example Andrey shrugs off the fact that his payment was delayed by three months. That's an absolutely outrageous delay that says a lot about how the soldiers are being treated. And this is one of the better treatments. From that we can get an idea what the worst cases look like.
@Kwark, Elroi or Magic Powers, Care to post anything rebutting his video? I understand calling out propaganda but give some counters maybe, even if that is propaganda.
On June 13 2023 20:53 Elroi wrote: I'm pretty sure that's a propaganda video, Ardias. I could be wrong - reality imitates media, after all - but that looks super scripted to me.
Certainly propaganda (there are many worse cases than this), but also revealing. For example Andrey shrugs off the fact that his payment was delayed by three months. That's an absolutely outrageous delay that says a lot about how the soldiers are being treated. And this is one of the better treatments. From that we can get an idea what the worst cases look like.
And he pretty much spends 7k in equipment for himself.
About the propaganda, i don't know what screams propaganda about the video to you guys, to me it's just an opportunistic video response to YouTube comments to generate more clicks.
But if having to spend your salary in decent equipment , a clear "i don't know Who IS winning" , is propaganda i certainly don't know.
Or maybe is because i didn't find any sympathy for the guy regardless.
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