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On October 24 2022 01:17 JimmiC wrote: Whats thr Russian line on this from the state news? I would think either sabatoge or incompetence are both equally terrible storey lines for them.
Big embarrassment as they are trying to keep the mythos of the all powerful and advanced military, suffering big losses against an "inferior" foe, their big prize bridge blowing up and now a bomber and a fighter just falling out of the sky.
Cant imagine this is good for public opinion for even tge most nationalist pro Russians.
I wonder if it might be the case of pilots choosing to "abandon ship" on their home turf so they don't run the risk of dying in Ukraine. Would be consistent with the waves of desertions/surrenders happening in Russian ranks which I would assume might intensify the more they're losing ground.
Unlikely. Serbian pilots deserted by just flying the jet to nato base, a russian pilot could do the same. Blackbox could show they evacuated without a technical issue.
On October 24 2022 01:17 JimmiC wrote: Whats thr Russian line on this from the state news? I would think either sabatoge or incompetence are both equally terrible storey lines for them.
Big embarrassment as they are trying to keep the mythos of the all powerful and advanced military, suffering big losses against an "inferior" foe, their big prize bridge blowing up and now a bomber and a fighter just falling out of the sky.
Cant imagine this is good for public opinion for even tge most nationalist pro Russians.
On October 24 2022 01:17 JimmiC wrote: Whats thr Russian line on this from the state news? I would think either sabatoge or incompetence are both equally terrible storey lines for them.
Big embarrassment as they are trying to keep the mythos of the all powerful and advanced military, suffering big losses against an "inferior" foe, their big prize bridge blowing up and now a bomber and a fighter just falling out of the sky.
Cant imagine this is good for public opinion for even tge most nationalist pro Russians.
It's just gets less attention since people are so much focused on Russia and news regarding it.
I think another factor that leads to US crashes getting less attention is how large of an air force the US has. The US air force is the largest air force in the world and the US navy is the second largest. When you have that many planes and helicopters, you're bound to have a few crashes.
On October 24 2022 01:17 JimmiC wrote: Whats thr Russian line on this from the state news? I would think either sabatoge or incompetence are both equally terrible storey lines for them.
Big embarrassment as they are trying to keep the mythos of the all powerful and advanced military, suffering big losses against an "inferior" foe, their big prize bridge blowing up and now a bomber and a fighter just falling out of the sky.
Cant imagine this is good for public opinion for even tge most nationalist pro Russians.
I wonder if it might be the case of pilots choosing to "abandon ship" on their home turf so they don't run the risk of dying in Ukraine. Would be consistent with the waves of desertions/surrenders happening in Russian ranks which I would assume might intensify the more they're losing ground.
Unlikely. Serbian pilots deserted by just flying the jet to nato base, a russian pilot could do the same. Blackbox could show they evacuated without a technical issue.
I don't mean desertion. What I'm talking about is a way for the pilot to stay in the country and in service without undergoing an undesirable mission. I know I'm reaching here but it did cross my mind.
On October 24 2022 01:17 JimmiC wrote: Whats thr Russian line on this from the state news? I would think either sabatoge or incompetence are both equally terrible storey lines for them.
Big embarrassment as they are trying to keep the mythos of the all powerful and advanced military, suffering big losses against an "inferior" foe, their big prize bridge blowing up and now a bomber and a fighter just falling out of the sky.
Cant imagine this is good for public opinion for even tge most nationalist pro Russians.
I wonder if it might be the case of pilots choosing to "abandon ship" on their home turf so they don't run the risk of dying in Ukraine. Would be consistent with the waves of desertions/surrenders happening in Russian ranks which I would assume might intensify the more they're losing ground.
Unlikely. Serbian pilots deserted by just flying the jet to nato base, a russian pilot could do the same. Blackbox could show they evacuated without a technical issue.
I don't mean desertion. What I'm talking about is a way for the pilot to stay in the country and in service without undergoing an undesirable mission. I know I'm reaching here but it did cross my mind.
If you are not a complete moron, then you should be able to do that without crashing your plane into a house full of people.
So i go with "something was actually wrong with those planes"
On October 24 2022 01:17 JimmiC wrote: Whats thr Russian line on this from the state news? I would think either sabatoge or incompetence are both equally terrible storey lines for them.
Big embarrassment as they are trying to keep the mythos of the all powerful and advanced military, suffering big losses against an "inferior" foe, their big prize bridge blowing up and now a bomber and a fighter just falling out of the sky.
Cant imagine this is good for public opinion for even tge most nationalist pro Russians.
It's just gets less attention since people are so much focused on Russia and news regarding it.
I think another factor that leads to US crashes getting less attention is how large of an air force the US has. The US air force is the largest air force in the world and the US navy is the second largest. When you have that many planes and helicopters, you're bound to have a few crashes.
I think the fact that the US crashes are at sea or in random fields, rather than into residential buildings, also helps with making sure it gets less attention.
Well crashes do happen from time to time and they are usually reported, but few people care/notice those reports. Now we have a war and everything Russia and Ukraine does gets more detailed look. Especially since creshes into residentail buildings are rare.
I think a thing me mentioned earlier is building controls in regards to airbases. USA has the luxury of building their military airfields in massive open spaces and will not allow buildings to be built anywhere near the place. The buildings these fighters are crashing into are very close to the military airbases and were allowed to after the fall of the union.
The united states also built its freeways and highways to be able to act as runways for fighters and bombers as well.
On October 26 2022 00:12 Sermokala wrote: I think a thing me mentioned earlier is building controls in regards to airbases. USA has the luxury of building their military airfields in massive open spaces and will not allow buildings to be built anywhere near the place. The buildings these fighters are crashing into are very close to the military airbases and were allowed to after the fall of the union.
The united states also built its freeways and highways to be able to act as runways for fighters and bombers as well.
Russia has more land and less population. There is no reason to have airstrips right next to residential areas except for incompetence.
A little while ago people were speculating on the durability of western support for the war in Ukraine and no one mentioned how the US midterm elections could impact that. Signals are that Republicans will cut back, end, and/or poison pill future support for Ukraine.
For those unfamiliar, Republicans are overwhelmingly favored to win the House
The EU is now at 93.6% gas storage capacity. Germany is already at 98% and is certainly not going to face any shortages. Neither should Austria, but it's not certain yet. A few other countries still can't fully relax. The worst off is Latvia at only 56%. This is due to Gazprom cutting all gas shipments. Lithuania is now exporting to them instead.
On October 26 2022 04:46 GreenHorizons wrote: A little while ago people were speculating on the durability of western support for the war in Ukraine and no one mentioned how the US midterm elections could impact that. Signals are that Republicans will cut back, end, and/or poison pill future support for Ukraine.
For those unfamiliar, Republicans are overwhelmingly favored to win the House
And yet from what I understand, despite all the votes against being Republicans, in general the bills to support Ukraine have been passing with wide margins. A majority of current Republican congressmen seem to support aid.
On October 26 2022 05:32 Magic Powers wrote: The EU is now at 93.6% gas storage capacity. Germany is already at 98% and is certainly not going to face any shortages. Neither should Austria, but it's not certain yet. A few other countries still can't fully relax. The worst off is Latvia at only 56%. This is due to Gazprom cutting all gas shipments. Lithuania is now exporting to them instead.
"Certainly not" is a bit optimistic. But the government agency doing the daily updates has a new, relatively positiv look since last week. Depending on certain boundary conditions like reduced gas usage, which is currently easy due to higher temperatures than normally. https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/EN/Areas/Energy/Companies/SecurityOfSupply/GasSupply/start.html But having gas pipelines randomly blowing up gives a lot of uncertainties... Stored gas alone does not last that long.
On October 26 2022 04:46 GreenHorizons wrote: A little while ago people were speculating on the durability of western support for the war in Ukraine and no one mentioned how the US midterm elections could impact that. Signals are that Republicans will cut back, end, and/or poison pill future support for Ukraine.
For those unfamiliar, Republicans are overwhelmingly favored to win the House
And yet from what I understand, despite all the votes against being Republicans, in general the bills to support Ukraine have been passing with wide margins. A majority of current Republican congressmen seem to support aid.
I suspect they're waiting to go the budgetary poison pill route. Basically a strategy where they ostensibly support aid but condition it on a budgetary (probably debt/deficit/social program related) poison pill. They need majority control, but not a majority of Republicans opposed to aid, to be able to do that.
Ultimately I'd expect the poison pill will get a sugar coating and more aid will pass, the real concern in my eyes is whether the likely delays impede Ukraine's war efforts in any critical way. Obviously the US actually cutting off support would be ruinous for Ukraine's war efforts.
On October 26 2022 04:46 GreenHorizons wrote: A little while ago people were speculating on the durability of western support for the war in Ukraine and no one mentioned how the US midterm elections could impact that. Signals are that Republicans will cut back, end, and/or poison pill future support for Ukraine.
For those unfamiliar, Republicans are overwhelmingly favored to win the House
And yet from what I understand, despite all the votes against being Republicans, in general the bills to support Ukraine have been passing with wide margins. A majority of current Republican congressmen seem to support aid.
I suspect they're waiting to go the budgetary poison pill route. Basically a strategy where they ostensibly support aid but condition it on a budgetary (probably debt/deficit/social program related) poison pill. They need majority control, but not a majority of Republicans opposed to aid, to be able to do that.
Ultimately I'd expect the poison pill will get a sugar coating and more aid will pass, the real concern in my eyes is whether the likely delays impede Ukraine's war efforts in any critical way. Obviously the US actually cutting off support would be ruinous for Ukraine's war efforts.
On October 26 2022 05:32 Magic Powers wrote: The EU is now at 93.6% gas storage capacity. Germany is already at 98% and is certainly not going to face any shortages. Neither should Austria, but it's not certain yet. A few other countries still can't fully relax. The worst off is Latvia at only 56%. This is due to Gazprom cutting all gas shipments. Lithuania is now exporting to them instead.
Also there seems to be an increasing issue with Diesel, which is also required for farming, transport, shipping.
The closure of steel mills and 45% year on year producer price inflation (in Germany) were already mentioned earlier.Energy prices will keep rising as it gets colder.Food prices will keep rising due to the price and availability of fertilizer.I wouldn't be brushing it all off personally, seems like a serious crisis.
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