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On March 01 2022 16:40 Broetchenholer wrote: I really don't know what to think. On one hand, I want this invasion to be over as quickly and bloodless as possible, on the other, I want Putin to fail spectacularly. Being a pacifist is getting harder and harder when there are people like him around. I would usually think, losing just one life to fight off an offender is wrong in our modern time. Now, I see a convoy of Russian tanks and think, a nice airstrike would be soooo juicy. Sigh.
No offence, as a fan of WWII, I find it's amusing if we replace Putin with Stalin in your writing, would make your writing like a Wehrmacht soldier's diary who are fighting in the Ostfront in 1941 War never changes, war changes people
And if we replace all your words with the text of Mein Kampf then you’d be Hitler.
I would have thought Americans have better sense of humour...
Kwark is not born in America, so there is that.
I really cant figure out if you are shitposting just to stir the pot or if these are sincerely held beliefs. It is really quite fascinating .
Could you clarify whether or not you think the war is justified and if so why/why not? Since you have a special insight with your cold eyes and peaceful heart, this really ought to enlight all of us.
On June 28 2022 16:04 Broetchenholer wrote: That is a lot of good will to spend to see this post as humorous. Germans don't like joking about the third Reich period, so your intention might have been pure but this comparison will get you in trouble with most Germans.
Trying to create a comparison between someone on Ukraine's side wishing Russia to fail and someone on Germanies side wishing Russia to fail in ww2 makes no sense. Its the completely different side of the conflict.
A horrible attempt at deflecting and then trying to pretend it was only a joke...
Would actually be possible to sneak a sub near Britain and launch a nuke from it without anyone noticing until said launch? I rather doubt it but I don't know anything about modern warfare technology, be it cloaking or detection
I don't know if it would be possible, but what would be the point? Nuking London isn't going to stop the second strike, even if you somehow manage to do it before anyone notices.
On June 28 2022 17:21 Gorsameth wrote: Trying to create a comparison between someone on Ukraine's side wishing Russia to fail and someone on Germanies side wishing Russia to fail in ww2 makes no sense. Its the completely different side of the conflict.
A horrible attempt at deflecting and then trying to pretend it was only a joke...
It's my doubt to indisputable righteous. People tend to think they are righterous with no questions. As Europeans thought it is righterous to wipe jews out back in the1930s~50s, what's the difference if they think all the Russians are bad guys all the bad things are done by Russians.
I really cant figure out if you are shitposting just to stir the pot or if these are sincerely held beliefs. It is really quite fascinating .
Could you clarify whether or not you think the war is justified and if so why/why not? Since you have a special insight with your cold eyes and peaceful heart, this really ought to enlight all of us.
I was here since page 145 when someone bring up my country, I don't really care much about the war, and have no insight of the event, what I care most is that if someday "nuclear lauch detected!"
On June 28 2022 17:21 Gorsameth wrote: Trying to create a comparison between someone on Ukraine's side wishing Russia to fail and someone on Germanies side wishing Russia to fail in ww2 makes no sense. Its the completely different side of the conflict.
A horrible attempt at deflecting and then trying to pretend it was only a joke...
It's my doubt to indisputable righteous. People tend to think they are righterous with no questions. As Europeans thought it is righterous to wipe jews out back in the1930s~50s, what's the difference if they think all the Russians are bad guys all the bad things are done by Russians.
Answer your question yourself, please. Think, read again what you wrote, and apply historical fact to your thinking.
Clarify each point of your question. Analyze which part of your question seems based on logical fallacies.
After that, could you reword your question in a manner that we can answer what you wish us to answer.
Asking leading and weighted questions usually are an indication that you are not interested in the answer or that opinion of the person you are asking it to.
Now you have three ways to react.
1. Ignore this, asking constructive question is not your goal in the first place 2. Get offended by it. I missed totally your point, and I am attacking the form and not the content of your post. 3. Reword your question. Thread is back on the rail, we leave the Godwin point.
BTW. Godwin point is when you reach to Nazis to argue on the internet. Usually mixed with whataboutism. A worse wrong does not right a lesser wrong.
On June 28 2022 17:21 Gorsameth wrote: Trying to create a comparison between someone on Ukraine's side wishing Russia to fail and someone on Germanies side wishing Russia to fail in ww2 makes no sense. Its the completely different side of the conflict.
A horrible attempt at deflecting and then trying to pretend it was only a joke...
It's my doubt to indisputable righteous. People tend to think they are righterous with no questions. As Europeans thought it is righterous to wipe jews out back in the1930s~50s, what's the difference if they think all the Russians are bad guys all the bad things are done by Russians.
Wow, just unapologetically reaching for 'All of Europe agreed with nazi Germany'. Well you sir, or madam, have certainly lost any shred of credibility you may have had.
On June 28 2022 17:21 Gorsameth wrote: Trying to create a comparison between someone on Ukraine's side wishing Russia to fail and someone on Germanies side wishing Russia to fail in ww2 makes no sense. Its the completely different side of the conflict.
A horrible attempt at deflecting and then trying to pretend it was only a joke...
It's my doubt to indisputable righteous. People tend to think they are righterous with no questions. As Europeans thought it is righterous to wipe jews out back in the1930s~50s, what's the difference if they think all the Russians are bad guys all the bad things are done by Russians.
Europeans didn't think it was righteous to "wipe jews out back in the 1930s-50s".
On June 28 2022 17:28 Harris1st wrote: Would actually be possible to sneak a sub near Britain and launch a nuke from it without anyone noticing until said launch? I rather doubt it but I don't know anything about modern warfare technology, be it cloaking or detection
Technically - yes, practically - not quite (if we are talking about "wiping London off the map"). Ballistic missile would still need to fly high into atmosphere (and would be spotted). Cruise missile (Kalibr, which is actively used in Ukraine) will fly much faster if launched near the coast of eastern England (the launch of either type would be probably detected right away) and is capable of carrying nuclear payload, but little one, reportedly around 1 kiloton, and one sub can launch at max 8 of those per single volley. So the damage would be very considerable, but it won't be complete evaporation of the city.
Though still, as it was mentioned above, it would trigger immediate response anyway, even if British government is taken out by initial attack and didn't manage to give retaliation orders. Plus it won't be only British concern, but a NATO one as a whole.
On June 28 2022 17:21 Gorsameth wrote: Trying to create a comparison between someone on Ukraine's side wishing Russia to fail and someone on Germanies side wishing Russia to fail in ww2 makes no sense. Its the completely different side of the conflict.
A horrible attempt at deflecting and then trying to pretend it was only a joke...
It's my doubt to indisputable righteous. People tend to think they are righterous with no questions. As Europeans thought it is righterous to wipe jews out back in the1930s~50s, what's the difference if they think all the Russians are bad guys all the bad things are done by Russians.
Europeans didn't think it was righteous to "wipe jews out back in the 1930s-50s".
You really are just shitposting to stir the pot.
I mean people in the 1930-1950s, thought ,it was righteous, you can find the evidences in books like <dark continent> written by American historian. Jews were not only mistreated by National Germany,but also in many other European countries that are not occupied by Nazi Germany.
On June 28 2022 17:21 Gorsameth wrote: Trying to create a comparison between someone on Ukraine's side wishing Russia to fail and someone on Germanies side wishing Russia to fail in ww2 makes no sense. Its the completely different side of the conflict.
A horrible attempt at deflecting and then trying to pretend it was only a joke...
It's my doubt to indisputable righteous. People tend to think they are righterous with no questions. As Europeans thought it is righterous to wipe jews out back in the1930s~50s, what's the difference if they think all the Russians are bad guys all the bad things are done by Russians.
Europeans didn't think it was righteous to "wipe jews out back in the 1930s-50s".
You really are just shitposting to stir the pot.
I mean people in the 1930-1950s, thought ,it was righteous, you can find the evidences in books like written by American historian. Jews were not only mistreated by National Germany,but also in many other European countries that are not occupied by Nazi Germany.
Please stop derailing this thread. This has nothing to do with Russian Ukrainian War.
From what I read the Russian cruise missile strikes were probably legitimately launching at a tangential military infrastructure site. It's just that the missles they're using now are old and really shitty so they missed and oppsied into a civilian occupied mall.
I am once again calling for a zero Russian involvement in world trade until fundamental change in that nation. This terroristic act was brought by such a callous disregard for humanity. Even fucking Israel will call in their strikes and actually hit them. People were killed because they gave less of a shit about Ukrainian lives than Israel cares about Palestinian lives.
On June 28 2022 20:54 Sermokala wrote: From what I read the Russian cruise missile strikes were probably legitimately launching at a tangential military infrastructure site. It's just that the missles they're using now are old and really shitty so they missed and oppsied into a civilian occupied mall.
I am once again calling for a zero Russian involvement in world trade until fundamental change in that nation. This terroristic act was brought by such a callous disregard for humanity. Even fucking Israel will call in their strikes and actually hit them. People were killed because they gave less of a shit about Ukrainian lives than Israel cares about Palestinian lives.
Here is video with the result of the impact (notice the huge crater). Ukrainians said that there were two missiles hitting Kremenchug that day. https://t.me/uniannet/61946 It's "Kredmash" facility. It generally produced civilian equipment (asphalt mixers, layers etc.), but at least once they were working on military equipment (article from 2014, when Donbass war was at hot phase): https://kremenchug.ua/news/kaleidoscope/29215-na-kredmashe-otremontirovali-i-peredali-v-zonu-ato-tri-btra.html Here is video of the moment of impact from the same area. It's especially noticeable at 02:09, there is also a landmark in form of small island in the pond. https://t.me/uniannet/61945 I've quickly pointed these landmarks on a Google Map screenshot. So one of the missiles, judging by the angle of explosion and the video of subsequent damage, hit the main facility block just to the south of the pond. Now here is the picture of the remains of the mall.
Most of the concrete walls and pillars are still stanging, and I don't see any craters in the front part of the mall. Top right corner is, howewer, shattered completely (while in top left we see concrete walls, that are completely intact). I guees this was the point of impact, since the trees right in that area have no leaves as well. Whether it was a miss or they targeted something right behind the mall (there is also a railway line there, you can see it under the trees on the right side) - unclear for now.
You don't shoot one missile at a railway line unless you know something really expensive is in a car on said line that you will hit. Railways have built-in redundancies and are super easy to repair, why would you ever shoot one (ONE!) expensive missile with zero effect at some wood and some steel that basically costs nothing?
They had no regard for civilians in the area, simple as that.
On June 28 2022 23:40 JimmiC wrote: So strange to be on the side that is justifying civillian deaths instead of apologizing for them. That tells you their many more to come and they are OK with them.
To be fair, he has said a long time ago that he would refrain from moral judgement. Nothing in his post is justifying/defending this missile strike. Also do you want him to end each and every post by "sorry for being Russian" ? He's contributing to this thread far better than any china apologists in the china thread.
EPT
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