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On June 27 2022 15:16 Velr wrote: Do you seriously have to ask if the UK, Nato or other UK allies will just swallow London, one of the biggest and most important cities in europe (the whole world really), being nuked and try to appease Russia?
What do you think would happen if Peking is getting nuked by Taiwan?
That general seemed quite serious about it, and I think the Russians will do anything if they were pushed to the edge. I am talking about something that could possibly happen, not for kidding.
Yes but what makes you think the UK, Nato and all others would just submit to Russia? Appeasement doesn't work.
So you mean if Russians did that, a nuclear war which will probably wipe out the whole planet is a certainty?
Your aware that the UK also has nukes right?
The US or Nato has nothing to do with this question. MAD dictates that if you decide to drop a nuke on London Russia is already getting glassed before anyone else gets involved.
I don't know how do you reach your conclusion. Russian nukes are much more advanced than that of the UK's right? And Russia is 70 times the size of UK right? So, in a 1on1 nuke war UK will be glassed before anyone else gets involved, right?
I don't think you understand what MAD and the NATO is about. When Russia launches a nuke at NATO territory, a response is already triggered. There will be missiles in the air before London is hit. Even if you manage to sneak in a first strike, which is basically impossible, there are several means to insure nuclear strike capability (balistic missile submarines). Also no one will nuke the tundra. But all major military targets and population centers will be destroyed.
In light of recent events i also highly doubt the capabilities of the Russian strategic missile forces also any numbers given by the Russians. To me the Red Armys* strength is proven to be a myth. In a conventional war, the US wouldn't even have to send troops.
On June 27 2022 15:16 Velr wrote: Do you seriously have to ask if the UK, Nato or other UK allies will just swallow London, one of the biggest and most important cities in europe (the whole world really), being nuked and try to appease Russia?
What do you think would happen if Peking is getting nuked by Taiwan?
That general seemed quite serious about it, and I think the Russians will do anything if they were pushed to the edge. I am talking about something that could possibly happen, not for kidding.
Yes but what makes you think the UK, Nato and all others would just submit to Russia? Appeasement doesn't work.
So you mean if Russians did that, a nuclear war which will probably wipe out the whole planet is a certainty?
Your aware that the UK also has nukes right?
The US or Nato has nothing to do with this question. MAD dictates that if you decide to drop a nuke on London Russia is already getting glassed before anyone else gets involved.
I don't know how do you reach your conclusion. Russian nukes are much more advanced than that of the UK's right? And Russia is 70 times the size of UK right? So, in a 1on1 nuke war UK will be glassed before anyone else gets involved, right?
More advanced? Claimed? sure, theoretically? possible. Practical? unlikely based on surrounding evidence like the waves of highly advanced modern tanks being used in Ukraine right? yeah no so much. Plus, again based on surrounding evidence, they are going to have a horrendous failure rate.
Russia being full of empty land is not relevant, Russia having thousands of nukes isn't relevant. Taking out major cities gets the job done just as well. 4 Subs with 16 missiles each is plenty to remove Russia as a functional country.
But none of this matters anyway, there won't be 1 on 1 nuclear war and Russia isn't going to nuke anyone to begin with. Russian officials like to threaten with nukes because its the only threat Russia actually has. Economic threats don't work as well when Russia needs the West more then the West needs Russia and conventional military threats have lost all the power now that Russia has been shown to be a paper tiger with rusty tanks and failing missiles unable to take out Ukraine, let alone Nato, or even any of the major Nato powers on their own.
Russia threatening nukes is the playground bully shouting stuff across the field, hoping that no one actually comes towards him because he's scared shitless himself.
It is really weird how totalitarian regime manage to break the notion of cause and consequences in the mind of their population.
You do not even need to lie, if you limit the amount of information that does not put you in good light.
The war has already begun, but like in the past, it takes 2-3 years for the rest of the world to have to join.
What Russia, China, India, seems to ignore is how much in the West we are working to not have extreme nationalist take power. While Russia seems to want to use that to their advantage, there world really do not want to see what happens after that.
Remember that for Evil to triumph, it only need the good guys to do nothing.
What I deep down feel will happen, and it is very pessimistic, that economic crisis will require a culprit, the culprit will be Russia and anyone who did not strongly condemn them. Slowly, stronger and stronger opinion will arrive to power in western countries and one day, the population will say nothing if a larger war were to happen.
The higher the cost of that war, the higher the reparation will be which means the end of civilizations, redistribution of the resources between winners.
You want Mengsk, because that's how you get Mengsk!
Launching a single nuke on a NATO country population center is a movie scenario where the bad guy wants to destroy the world but otherwise about the dumbest thing you could do.
My biggest fear would be a tactical nuke on Kiev. The appropiate reaction would trigger the end of the world.
Yes ，dumbest for everyone, but a long brutal war always unfold the ugliest side of human nature. Who knows when will the whole situation get out of control? I hope they try diplomatic solution asap before it's too late.
On June 27 2022 22:59 SSIII wrote: Yes ，dumbest for everyone, but a long brutal war always unfold the ugliest side of human nature. Who knows when will the whole situation get out of control? I hope they try diplomatic solution asap before it's too late.
Thing is, it is a stupid scenario.
Afaik relevant scenarios of a nuclear war are
1) Total first strike. You launch all you have, and hope that the other side doesn't have enough to retaliate left so that some of your country is left over and you "win". 2) "Tactical" nuclear strike. You do some small thing at the edge and hope that the other side doesn't glass you.
What is stupid is a limited first strike that obviously leads to a total second strike. If russia nukes London, Nato, but especially the UK, will launch everything. London is too big to not get a MAD reaction, but too small to reduce the second strike capabilities in any relevant way.
(But i am pretty sure that with the current setup, second strike capability is basically always ensured exactly to prevent scenario 1 from ever being attractive.)
On June 27 2022 14:57 SSIII wrote: Speaking on Russian's channel-1 television, Andrey Gurulyov, a state Duma politician, said London will be hit first if the blockage of the Russian exclave Kaliningrad let to war.
I watched the video, he said "We will destroy their satelites and 100% missile defence system.It will not be Warsaw or Paris or Berlin, the first to be hit will be London, it is crystal clear that the threat to the world comes from the Anglo-Saxons"
So I am just curious, since UK is neither European nor American, IF Russian dropped a tactical-nuclear-missile in London，will the the situation instantly cool down or will a real nuclear war begin?
lol You don't need to worry about what idiots say. If it happened they'd get first striked to oblivion as the order was given.
Reminder that the UK has at all times a nuclear submarine loaded with nukes patrolling the oceans, with (probably) explicit orders to carry out a nuclear attack on the enemy in case the UK gets destroyed by a nuclear attack. So even if Russia or whomever else managed to avoid the initial retaliation, the UK still would be able to strike back with their own nukes.
Developing news from Kremenchuk, hundreds of km from the front lines.
RU just bombed a shopping center in broad daylight with more than 1000 civilians inside. Truly gruesome videos emerging, kids, grandmas... I do not recommend it to the faint-hearted.
I have no words. You want to discuss war crimes? Here's another which will surely end up being an exhibit in the future.
On June 27 2022 16:10 bracala wrote: Since this world and people in it gone totally mad and justify any war on principle "Russia is bad,and Nato is good when they go all around world and bombing and starting wars to help innocent peoplesi heard that on news" it just matter of time when nuclear war will hit us all and destroy earth. We as a human beings failed and im not feel sorry for us,i feel sorry for all animals that will be killed when that happen.
So, just out of curiousity, what did you learn about the Serbian role in the Croatian war for Independence, the Bosnian War and the Kosovo War? Do you believe Serbia, or Serbians, deserved any of the blame for the conflicts?
Ofcourse blame for conflicts is on Serbian,Croatians,Bosnians mainly politicans...I never said Serbians is great,others is bad. I said innocent peoples die. Do you know how many innocent Serbian civilians are expelled from Bosnia and Croatia in 90s? How many of them is killed? Nobody talk about them but i suppose that is ok since USA and Nato is against Serbia. Kosovo is special story,you read on news OVK is good guys but i told you they are terrorist. Google something about "Yellow house on Kosovo". They kidnapped so many peoples and took their organs. Can you imagine in Germany to exist in some part of country paramilitary organisation and they start to kill peoples and want independent. And USA said "you should give them independent or we will bomb you"? Dont trust everything you heard on news you didnt live thru that and i really really hope you will never go through war.
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
Of course I understand Serbians see Kosovans as terrorists, but the "west" (and I use this very loosely) saw them as freedom fighters, and recognized an independent Kosovo the minute it declared itself independent (although it is still not recognized as a state by the UN or plenty of countries around the world). As for a hypothetical where Bavaria declares independence and starts fighting against Germany... who knows, a lot will also depend on how the German Federal Government responds. If they decide to commit genocide against Bavarians, I'd expect international outrage, and most countries siding with Bavaria. If it's a limited response as in the "troubles" of the UK, Spain's response to ETA (post-dictatorship) where terrorists are dealt with through police, and the military is severely restrained, I'd expect more support for the Federal Government... but all of this is a severe derailment of the original point, which was that NATO supposedly intentionally bombed civilians, for which you have offered no proof whatsoever.
As for your "yellow house"... the very first hit when I type that into google is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/10166800 TLDR: there were multiple international investigations and 0 evidence was found to back this up. Stop believing your own fake news.
lol yes i really expected to read in usa and england news about yellow house and crimes ovk terrorist did on Kosovo,are you serious. I also expected nato to admit they hit civil targets :D Bro its all good im thinking with my own head and i live here and i saw many things and meet many people who survived 90s in Croatia,Bosnia and Kosovo,dont need foreign news to tell me what happened in my house. All best to you and yours and im out
Being involved in an event doesn't make you omniscient. Ot actually heavily taints your opinion. If you're unable to cope with multiples independant investigations and choose to believe w.e people are feeding you, thats your issue. France has increased its # of nuclear sub online, if a single nuke is launched, a similar target will go up in flames in Russia. Russians have been talking about nuking the west for weeks now, nobody cares anymore. Russias state tv is as trustworthy as chinas.
On June 28 2022 00:12 Ghanburighan wrote: Developing news from Kremenchuk, hundreds of km from the front lines.
RU just bombed a shopping center in broad daylight with more than 1000 civilians inside. Truly gruesome videos emerging, kids, grandmas... I do not recommend it to the faint-hearted.
I have no words. You want to discuss war crimes? Here's another which will surely end up being an exhibit in the future.
I am curious about this piece and find the news on CNN and other websites, Zelensky said over 1000 people were in the store and people were trapped in fire,on the other hand,Russian "fight fake news" website said it is a place for storing old enquipments from a factory 90m from it. The parking lot is empty and no woman spotted in Zelensky's video.comments on Google Maps stopped updating from March on that shopping center. bla bla bla...
I don't mean it is fake, but since I can't find more researches and comments on Bucha event, I guess both sides lied sometimes?
On March 01 2022 16:40 Broetchenholer wrote: I really don't know what to think. On one hand, I want this invasion to be over as quickly and bloodless as possible, on the other, I want Putin to fail spectacularly. Being a pacifist is getting harder and harder when there are people like him around. I would usually think, losing just one life to fight off an offender is wrong in our modern time. Now, I see a convoy of Russian tanks and think, a nice airstrike would be soooo juicy. Sigh.
No offence, as a fan of WWII, I find it's amusing if we replace Putin with Stalin in your writing, would make your writing like a Wehrmacht soldier's diary who are fighting in the Ostfront in 1941 War never changes, war changes people
Fucksake stumbled upon the pictures of the dead from the strike today. Absolutely horrifying, pure apocalypse. One image will never leave me. My friend from Russia says the strike attacked a weapons repair shop behind the center, and a fire spread and killed the civilians... just nothing can change his mind.
On June 28 2022 00:12 Ghanburighan wrote: Developing news from Kremenchuk, hundreds of km from the front lines.
RU just bombed a shopping center in broad daylight with more than 1000 civilians inside. Truly gruesome videos emerging, kids, grandmas... I do not recommend it to the faint-hearted.
I have no words. You want to discuss war crimes? Here's another which will surely end up being an exhibit in the future.
I am curious about this piece and find the news on CNN and other websites, Zelensky said over 1000 people were in the store and people were trapped in fire,on the other hand,Russian "fight fake news" website said it is a place for storing old enquipments from a factory 90m from it. The parking lot is empty and no woman spotted in Zelensky's video.comments on Google Maps stopped updating from March on that shopping center. bla bla bla...
I don't mean it is fake, but since I can't find more researches and comments on Bucha event, I guess both sides lied sometimes?
You don't mean it's fake but you just glibly suggest that both sides lie... Pretty disgraceful in the wake of a state terrorist act on civilians, which has been verified from a whole lot of sources.
RU is using old outdated tech and it keeps missing intended targets and keeps killing civilians.
You don't mean it's fake but you just glibly suggest that both sides lie... Pretty disgraceful in the wake of a state terrorist act on civilians, which has been verified from a whole lot of sources.
RU is using old outdated tech and it keeps missing intended targets and keeps killing civilians.
I know, anyone with doubts or different opinions on this war seems disgraceful to most people here. I am watching the event with cold eyes and peaceful heart, people mocking on my country doesn't even make me shrug. What impressed me most is that everyone seems so righteous and optimistic.
On March 01 2022 16:40 Broetchenholer wrote: I really don't know what to think. On one hand, I want this invasion to be over as quickly and bloodless as possible, on the other, I want Putin to fail spectacularly. Being a pacifist is getting harder and harder when there are people like him around. I would usually think, losing just one life to fight off an offender is wrong in our modern time. Now, I see a convoy of Russian tanks and think, a nice airstrike would be soooo juicy. Sigh.
No offence, as a fan of WWII, I find it's amusing if we replace Putin with Stalin in your writing, would make your writing like a Wehrmacht soldier's diary who are fighting in the Ostfront in 1941 War never changes, war changes people
And if we replace all your words with the text of Mein Kampf then you’d be Hitler.
On March 01 2022 16:40 Broetchenholer wrote: I really don't know what to think. On one hand, I want this invasion to be over as quickly and bloodless as possible, on the other, I want Putin to fail spectacularly. Being a pacifist is getting harder and harder when there are people like him around. I would usually think, losing just one life to fight off an offender is wrong in our modern time. Now, I see a convoy of Russian tanks and think, a nice airstrike would be soooo juicy. Sigh.
No offence, as a fan of WWII, I find it's amusing if we replace Putin with Stalin in your writing, would make your writing like a Wehrmacht soldier's diary who are fighting in the Ostfront in 1941 War never changes, war changes people
And if we replace all your words with the text of Mein Kampf then you’d be Hitler.
I would have thought Americans have better sense of humour...
That is a lot of good will to spend to see this post as humorous. Germans don't like joking about the third Reich period, so your intention might have been pure but this comparison will get you in trouble with most Germans.
EPT
