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SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France580 Posts
March 01 2022 09:06 GMT
#201
On March 01 2022 15:10 Dav1oN wrote:
Kharkiv was just bombarded from the planes by what sounded as a vacuum bomb into heavily populated area


If this is confirmed, I hope Putin is convicted internationally for war crimes.

Stay safe, stay strong.
Rowa
Profile Joined July 2010
Belgium962 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-01 09:42:32
March 01 2022 09:41 GMT
#202
Apparently, russian troops are facing supply issues and food poisoning from outdated rations. This could explain why some of them abandon lines of undamaged vehicles left and right and flee into the woods.

Also, the Bayraktar TB2 Turkish drones seem to wreak havoc on armed columns with lethal precision.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11973 Posts
March 01 2022 09:41 GMT
#203
On March 01 2022 18:06 SkrollK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 15:10 Dav1oN wrote:
Kharkiv was just bombarded from the planes by what sounded as a vacuum bomb into heavily populated area


If this is confirmed, I hope Putin is convicted internationally for war crimes.

Stay safe, stay strong.


Regardless of the specifics, Putin is definitively guilty of war crimes. Namely the supreme war crime of starting a war of aggression.

He will never be convicted of anything, though.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
March 01 2022 10:05 GMT
#204
Was it confirmed that the city was bombed by planes? A few days ago Russians have sent TOS units towards Ukraine.



They pack thermobaric rockets which have the double effect of blast wave + vacuum.

Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8183 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-01 10:33:41
March 01 2022 10:33 GMT
#205
On March 01 2022 19:05 Manit0u wrote:
Was it confirmed that the city was bombed by planes? A few days ago Russians have sent TOS units towards Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/fpleitgenCNN/status/1497519335350452231

They pack thermobaric rockets which have the double effect of blast wave + vacuum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q91yFP9E9Yg

This video is horrifying.. Imagine being on the wrong end of that thing.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2118 Posts
March 01 2022 11:17 GMT
#206
On March 01 2022 18:06 SkrollK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 15:10 Dav1oN wrote:
Kharkiv was just bombarded from the planes by what sounded as a vacuum bomb into heavily populated area


If this is confirmed, I hope Putin is convicted internationally for war crimes.

Stay safe, stay strong.

Every war has war crimes but most of them go unpunished unfortunately
John 15:13
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-01 11:43:02
March 01 2022 11:25 GMT
#207
More rocket and artillery strikes on Kharkiv.

I understand that no one wants to close air for us, but this is just a genocide

Edit: a plane was shot down and crashed on civil district Bavaria closer to the city suburbs, probably russian one
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
March 01 2022 11:44 GMT
#208
Are we getting more peacetalks today?

I hope there can be some negotiated ceasefire before things get really ugly.

How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22566 Posts
March 01 2022 11:53 GMT
#209
On March 01 2022 20:44 Sadist wrote:
Are we getting more peacetalks today?

I hope there can be some negotiated ceasefire before things get really ugly.

There will be no ceasefire. Russia's demands are unacceptable for Ukraine and Russia isn't going to back off and look even weaker.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4637 Posts
March 01 2022 12:14 GMT
#210
I really don't understand the logic behind NATO or Europe not stepping up for the control of the sky.

Yes Nukes are a risk, but that risk will be the same or worst the slower we react.

When there is a 60 km column on an easily targetable road, where are the shelling we so kindly offered in the Balkan and Syria?

Dump of assembler code from 0xffffffec to 0x64: End of assembler dump.
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4637 Posts
March 01 2022 12:15 GMT
#211
This ends only with a quick annihilation of the invading forces.
Dump of assembler code from 0xffffffec to 0x64: End of assembler dump.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
March 01 2022 12:19 GMT
#212
On March 01 2022 19:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 19:05 Manit0u wrote:
Was it confirmed that the city was bombed by planes? A few days ago Russians have sent TOS units towards Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/fpleitgenCNN/status/1497519335350452231

They pack thermobaric rockets which have the double effect of blast wave + vacuum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q91yFP9E9Yg

This video is horrifying.. Imagine being on the wrong end of that thing.


Yeah, it's pretty much a WMD - if you don't get hit by the blast you'll suffocate afterwards as they suck out all oxygen in a large area.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
March 01 2022 12:29 GMT
#213
On March 01 2022 16:54 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 09:01 Falling wrote:
On March 01 2022 03:54 emperorchampion wrote:
On March 01 2022 03:41 LegalLord wrote:
On March 01 2022 03:32 Dan HH wrote:
Looks like Russia wasn't expecting Germany's recent actions, their ministry of foreign affairs basically just called them nazis. Can't find an English source yet.

+ Show Spoiler +



Eh, statement is a little more pointed than that. It complains specifically about them being delivered to "Banderite groups" i.e. the paramilitary groups that praise Stepan Bandera. Then a jab at Germany for saying "if that's who you deliver weapons to, did Germany ever really denazify itself?"

A little bit underhanded but it's not trying to say "you're Nazis for sending weapons to Ukraine."


Based on google translate + Show Spoiler +
The supply of German weapons to the ideological heirs of the Nazi accomplice S. Bandera makes one wonder - how comprehensive and complete was the process of denazification in Germany itself after the defeat in World War II?
.

Imo it reads a lot like the tweet is implying that the German government are Nazis. The loaded question of "how comprehensive and complete was the process of denazification in Germany itself after the defeat in World War II?" is implying that there are Nazis in Germany, and moreover, implies that the German government are Nazis because they made the decision.

Related, has Russia stated specific goals with respect to "denazification" in Ukraine?

Well, isn't that really just old-school Soviet propaganda? "There are no Nazis in East Germany." (According to the USSR, somehow all the Nazis ended up in West Germany and none in the East- or else the Soviets shot them all.) Wasn't that the ongoing Soviet party line- the West was soft on the Nazis; therefore West Germany is still a Nazi state propped up by the capitalists?

Undoubtedly the denazification in West Germany was a joke. The Sowjets were much faster and more thorough in that regard.
At least it is propaganda with a speck of unpleasant truth (for the times).

And yet, nowadays there are far more nazis in Eastern Germany.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3272 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-01 12:36:04
March 01 2022 12:31 GMT
#214
On March 01 2022 21:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 16:54 Artisreal wrote:
On March 01 2022 09:01 Falling wrote:
On March 01 2022 03:54 emperorchampion wrote:
On March 01 2022 03:41 LegalLord wrote:
On March 01 2022 03:32 Dan HH wrote:
Looks like Russia wasn't expecting Germany's recent actions, their ministry of foreign affairs basically just called them nazis. Can't find an English source yet.

+ Show Spoiler +

https://twitter.com/MID_RF/status/1498356147270606850

Eh, statement is a little more pointed than that. It complains specifically about them being delivered to "Banderite groups" i.e. the paramilitary groups that praise Stepan Bandera. Then a jab at Germany for saying "if that's who you deliver weapons to, did Germany ever really denazify itself?"

A little bit underhanded but it's not trying to say "you're Nazis for sending weapons to Ukraine."


Based on google translate + Show Spoiler +
The supply of German weapons to the ideological heirs of the Nazi accomplice S. Bandera makes one wonder - how comprehensive and complete was the process of denazification in Germany itself after the defeat in World War II?
.

Imo it reads a lot like the tweet is implying that the German government are Nazis. The loaded question of "how comprehensive and complete was the process of denazification in Germany itself after the defeat in World War II?" is implying that there are Nazis in Germany, and moreover, implies that the German government are Nazis because they made the decision.

Related, has Russia stated specific goals with respect to "denazification" in Ukraine?

Well, isn't that really just old-school Soviet propaganda? "There are no Nazis in East Germany." (According to the USSR, somehow all the Nazis ended up in West Germany and none in the East- or else the Soviets shot them all.) Wasn't that the ongoing Soviet party line- the West was soft on the Nazis; therefore West Germany is still a Nazi state propped up by the capitalists?

Undoubtedly the denazification in West Germany was a joke. The Sowjets were much faster and more thorough in that regard.
At least it is propaganda with a speck of unpleasant truth (for the times).

And yet, nowadays there are far more nazis in Eastern Germany.

A weak economy breeds extremism.

On March 01 2022 21:14 0x64 wrote:
I really don't understand the logic behind NATO or Europe not stepping up for the control of the sky.

Yes Nukes are a risk, but that risk will be the same or worst the slower we react.

When there is a 60 km column on an easily targetable road, where are the shelling we so kindly offered in the Balkan and Syria?


We aren't officially in the war and therefore contesting the Russian airforce would essentially be a declaration of war towards Russia. Ukraine is neither a NATO member nor a member of the EU, so any war declaration would be an act of aggression against Russia, similar to Russia's declaration of war on Ukraine and would trigger every Russian alliance and probably a bunch of nations that are loosely aligned like China and Iran.

Which would basically be the escalation everyone danced around for the last 70 years because it might blow up into a full-scale third world war that ends up destroying most civilizations on the planet.

Let me put it this way: Ukraine used to be more or less Russian aligned territory until the rebellion replaced the Ukrainian gov with a pro-western one. Russia is trying to reconquer their former territory and it's not really worth starting a global war with the anti-USA block with enough nuclear firepower on both sides to either stalemate for eternity or blow up the planet's surface with a billion casualties should one side feel existentially threatened.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8183 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-01 12:56:48
March 01 2022 12:56 GMT
#215
On March 01 2022 21:19 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 19:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On March 01 2022 19:05 Manit0u wrote:
Was it confirmed that the city was bombed by planes? A few days ago Russians have sent TOS units towards Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/fpleitgenCNN/status/1497519335350452231

They pack thermobaric rockets which have the double effect of blast wave + vacuum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q91yFP9E9Yg

This video is horrifying.. Imagine being on the wrong end of that thing.


Yeah, it's pretty much a WMD - if you don't get hit by the blast you'll suffocate afterwards as they suck out all oxygen in a large area.

Horrible. How is this kind of crap even allowed
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11973 Posts
March 01 2022 13:02 GMT
#216
On March 01 2022 21:56 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 21:19 Manit0u wrote:
On March 01 2022 19:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On March 01 2022 19:05 Manit0u wrote:
Was it confirmed that the city was bombed by planes? A few days ago Russians have sent TOS units towards Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/fpleitgenCNN/status/1497519335350452231

They pack thermobaric rockets which have the double effect of blast wave + vacuum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q91yFP9E9Yg

This video is horrifying.. Imagine being on the wrong end of that thing.


Yeah, it's pretty much a WMD - if you don't get hit by the blast you'll suffocate afterwards as they suck out all oxygen in a large area.

Horrible. How is this kind of crap even allowed


Because there is no entity which can allow or disallow stuff. You can have treaties where countries pinky swear that they are not gonna do X, and that is about it.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18436 Posts
March 01 2022 13:07 GMT
#217
On March 01 2022 19:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 19:05 Manit0u wrote:
Was it confirmed that the city was bombed by planes? A few days ago Russians have sent TOS units towards Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/fpleitgenCNN/status/1497519335350452231

They pack thermobaric rockets which have the double effect of blast wave + vacuum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q91yFP9E9Yg

This video is horrifying.. Imagine being on the wrong end of that thing.

Doesn't look like it does much precise aiming either. I guess because it levels a city block anyway, so who really cares if you can precisely target the building where the army is hiding if it's going to take down the hospital, school and residential flat in a couple of hundred meters radius anyway
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-01 13:36:11
March 01 2022 13:32 GMT
#218
Makes me wonder if Russia will keep it's markets closed for the entire week.

The list of those cutting ties or reviewing their operations is growing by the hour as foreign governments ratchet up sanctions against Russia, close airspace to its aircraft and lock some banks out of the SWIFT money messaging system. With the ruble plunging and the U.S. banning transactions with the Russian central bank, operating in Russia has become deeply problematic. Some companies have concluded that the risks, both reputational and financial, are too great to continue.

For some companies, the decision to exit Russia is the conclusion of decades of lucrative, if sometimes fraught, investments. Foreign energy majors have been pouring money in since the 1990s. Russia’s largest foreign investor, BP Plc, led the way with its surprising announcement on Sunday that it would exit its 20% stake in state-controlled Rosneft, a move that could result in a $25 billion write-off and cut its global oil and gas production by a third.

The stake was the product of a protracted battle in 2012 for control over TNK-BP, a joint venture between the oil giant and a group of billionaires. It’s now weighing whether to sell its stake back to Rosneft, according to people familiar with the situation.

Shell Plc followed on Monday. Citing Russia’s “senseless act of military aggression,” it said it is ending partnerships with state-controlled Gazprom, including the Sakhalin-II liquefied natural gas facility and its involvement in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline project, which Germany blocked last week. Both projects are worth about $3 billion. Kwasi Kwarteng, the U.K. business secretary, met with Shell Chief Executive Officer Ben van Beurden on Monday to discuss the company’s involvement and welcomed the move.

“Shell have made the right call,” he tweeted. “There is now a strong moral imperative on British companies to isolate Russia. This invasion must be a strategic failure for Putin.”

Equinor ASA, which is Norway’s biggest energy company and majority owned by the state, also announced it will start withdrawing from its joint ventures in Russia, worth about $1.2 billion. “In the current situation, we regard our position as untenable,” CEO Anders Opedal said.

France’s TotalEnergies SE, which is involved in major liquefied natural gas projects in Russia, said it will no longer provide capital for new developments in the country, a modest concession to the mounting political pressure. Among other major energy companies, Exxon Mobil Corp. oversees the Sakhalin-1 project with Rosneft and companies from Japan and India.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if you see more announcements coming down the line about exits,” said Allen Good, sector strategist at Morningstar.

Pressure on others with sales and joint ventures in Russia is mounting. Daimler Truck Holding AG, one of the world’s largest commercial vehicle manufacturers, said it will stop its business activities in Russia until further notice and may review ties with local joint venture partner Kamaz PJSC. Labor representatives said they “consider it appropriate” for the world’s largest truck maker to also offload its shares in Kamaz, the company’s works council said in an emailed statement.

Volvo Car AB and Volvo AB, the truck maker, also announced they are halting sales and production in Russia. Harley-Davidson Inc. said it has suspended its business in Russia, which along with the rest of Europe and the Middle East accounted for 31% of its motorcycle sales last year.

General Motors Co. said it was halting shipments to Russia, citing “a number of external factors, including supply chain issues and other matters beyond the company’s control.” GM exports about 3,000 vehicles a year to Russia from the U.S. In Japan, most of the major carmakers said business with Russia would remain as is, though Mitsubishi Motors Corp. said it would meet to assess the risk of operating there.

Others are seeing their stock prices plummet. French carmaker Renault SA fell as much as 12% Monday; Russia is its second-biggest market and its AvtoVaz subsidiary, where Renault holds a 68% stake, makes Lada-brand vehicles that command about a fifth of the Russian market. Renault also makes Kaptur, Duster and other vehicles at its own plant in Moscow.

Ford Motor Co. said it wasn’t planning to pull out of its joint venture in Russia with Sollers to produce commercial vans, at least not yet. “Our current interest is entirely on the safety and well-being of people in Ukraine and the surrounding region,” Ford said in a statement. “We won’t speculate on business implications.”

Mastercard Inc. and Visa Inc. said they’ve blocked certain Russian activity from their payment networks to comply with international sanctions.


Source
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
March 01 2022 13:34 GMT
#219
On March 01 2022 22:07 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 19:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On March 01 2022 19:05 Manit0u wrote:
Was it confirmed that the city was bombed by planes? A few days ago Russians have sent TOS units towards Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/fpleitgenCNN/status/1497519335350452231

They pack thermobaric rockets which have the double effect of blast wave + vacuum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q91yFP9E9Yg

This video is horrifying.. Imagine being on the wrong end of that thing.

Doesn't look like it does much precise aiming either. I guess because it levels a city block anyway, so who really cares if you can precisely target the building where the army is hiding if it's going to take down the hospital, school and residential flat in a couple of hundred meters radius anyway


It's not designed to be precise. It's primary function is snuffing out all life in a large area.

In theory this design is for large scale land battles (kind of outdated mode of warfare nowadays) and shouldn't be used around cities and other civilian-populated areas but when did such a thing stop all those crazy warmongers?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6313 Posts
March 01 2022 13:52 GMT
#220
On March 01 2022 04:55 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 04:28 RvB wrote:
On March 01 2022 03:34 LegalLord wrote:
Various things said by Russian state news within the past 12 hours that would be of interest here.

1. Ukrainian-Russian peace talks on Ukraine/Belarus border concluded after what looks like a full day. Both sides made statements suggesting they were productive and there were points of agreement. Plan is to take talks back to leadership, seek conditions that would lead to a ceasefire, and schedule follow-up talks on the Belarus/Poland border (looking at a map my guess is somewhere between Brest and Warsaw).

2. Putin had a call with Macron. Lot of stuff about reducing harm to civilians which I can only assume is related to objections to the situation in Kharkov (probably elsewhere too but that one has been pointed out both here and elsewhere as a big deal). Putin mentioned three conditions - recognition of Crimea, "demilitarization and denazification", and Ukrainian military neutrality. DNR/LNR recognition isn't mentioned as a goal.

3. Some talk from the Russian representative to the UN about the humanitarian situation in Ukraine. He said that occupation of Ukraine is not a goal, that they are working to reduce impact to civilians in ongoing operations, and that any war crimes that occur should be investigated even if they come from Russian citizens.

4. The Russian Central Bank is doing a lot of monetary intervention to combat inflation. They're taking some pretty interesting measures there, basically a reverse policy of the Fed in that they're pulling out all the stops to stop inflationary rather than deflationary (i.e. recession) pressures.

Obviously the source is biased, so take all of those as you will.

The central bank has very little choice but to raise rates considering the fall in the ruble and the effect it will have on the financial sector. I think we'll see capital controls soon to prevent capital flight.

For what it's worth I think Russia's central bank did a bang-up in 2014. Beyond the various open market operations they made the major policy decision to float the value of the ruble, which was a painful pill to swallow for fixed income but was the right way to take advantage of potential economic growth from a devalued currency. And I expected much worse than 30% currency devaluation today given that the current set of sanctions was pretty much "the kitchen sink."

Only time will tell how bad it will get but it's yet to be a full-on inflationary death spiral.

The Russian central bank is competent but these sanctions are too much. The 30% was only achieved because they forced companies to buy roubles. Unsurprisingly they're already imposing capital controls:
MOSCOW, March 1 (Reuters) - Russia will temporarily stop foreign investors from selling Russian assets to ensure they take a considered decision, not one driven by political pressure, the prime minister said on Tuesday, as Moscow responds to intensifying Western sanctions.

Russia's huge sovereign wealth fund will also be pressed into action, spending up to 1 trillion roubles ($10.3 billion) to buy shares in Russian companies, a government decree showed, confirming an earlier report by Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/business/russia-impose-temporary-curbs-foreigners-seeking-exit-assets-2022-03-01/
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